Seth Ananda

Hmm so you are obviously more Interested in beliefs than reality, or at least more interested in new age beliefs! Show me the people who enlightened instantly as a result of 2012 and i'll retract my statement. But that enlightenment better include 101% control over mind body soul... Which 'I' are you refering to? who exactly has got rid of sex desires? Are you 100% sure that trying to force down desires is not an ego trick to make you feel good, for living up to or progressing towards your enlightenment expectations? Weird that none of the great teachers did this in their day. And none of them claimed this 'power'. Is this more random belief? Where do you get this stuff? Elizabeth Clair Prophet? So my theory here is that Tulku has given up on trying to convert the heathens in the old manner, so he has come up with a cunning plan, changed his name and is trying to reach us through our desires for snorting coke at rave party's while having sex... But he is trying to convert us to a mishmash of Buddhism, Christianity, New Age 2012 blah blah, and god know what else. If you disagree tulku/ego death, lets just hold the conversation till sometime 2013, when still struggling with sexual desire, and frustration with all the random belief clouding your mind, you log on to tell everyone your latest theory. Better yet, why don't you just go get a proper Teacher? You mentioned Dzogchen and Mahamudra, which are superb traditions, with a number of available teachers these days. But if you do, remember to be humble. You as yet, have almost Zero grasp on what these traditions actually teach, yet you are here trying to teach others. and most of the Ideas I hear you spreading about what you 'think' these teachings say, is very very incorrect. And note, I have hit you here with a bit of my ample causticity towards fuzzy thinking and new age mumbo jumbo, but I actually admire your zeal greatly. It reminds me of me. I can tell you actually care deeply about finding what is real and true and good. I wish that went for more who post here. Seth.

Good question! but if your Enlightened, who cares? What I am interested in, is this 'completely remove human ego' business. What does that even mean? Which meaning for the word Ego are you referring too? I get worried when different cultures teachings say get rid of... {such as samskaras} and then in translation to english we say 'Ego' which has its own set of differing connotations, that we may get led up the garden track, or develop false Ideas about what the Enlightenment traditions are telling us...

The Aghori sect, grew out of the Kaula sect, which also generally practices full retention, as do most of the schools that made up Kashmir Shavism. I have given up on that technique or method. It is too unreliable. I have no Interest in a process that is only effective occasionally, and draining the rest of the time...

I went celibate for a year and a half, between 17 & 19, after reading autobiography of a yogi. I had no Instructions, and I meditated a lot, with various techniques that I found in books. I was amazed at the energy then. Then I found Tantra, and thought oh well why not get the best of both worlds? But I was having retrograde orgasms, and still experiencing the loss of energy. It was very frustrating. I tried differing versions. Only having a small ejaculation when really really 'full' or only ejaculation once per two weeks, or once a month, and I would have spent years with each of those. that was much better than frequent ejaculation, and if I was doing good energy practices, the energy loss would be hard to notice. But it still was not quite the same. Its like I could just not pass to a certain level of luminous clarity that I only experienced during retention. I had some of the benefits but not all of them. It wasn't till I learned many years later, maybe only 2 ago, about just not leaving the 50% to 80% arousal zone and just never ever coming in a conventional orgasm, that everything really started to get really really good, in a constant energy level kind of way. I will never be able to go back. Its just so, mundane... Cheers!

Tantric sex is has far more too it than just pounding. 5 hours of pounding would be too much for most people, and it doesn't at all need to last that long, but that it can, if desired. Its just that if you are so intune with each other, so connected, with your hears merging in utter bliss, why would you want to stop, till every millimeter of your being is utterly satisfied. And when you are finished, the man doesn't pull away or become disinterested, and is actually still deeply connected with you...

Ok. Well its more an Indian Tantric thing then. The Aghoris for Instance practice Total retention. And in my book, the schools that picked it were the smart ones...

Respek!

I'll have to look this up further, but it contradicts what I have read elsewhere. Eva Wong for instance talks about the Northern alchemical schools, and their focus on retention or celibacy, and that the more permissive southern schools that came later, relaxed some of these rules... Are you referring specifically to Alchemical Taoism? And either way, the retention wagon far out shines anything the other lazy schools have to offer. I wasted maybe 15 years trying to make Dual cultivation deliver on the energy front that my celibate period had, trying every version of teaching I could find in great depth, and its not till I decided, Ok no ejaculation, not Ever, that it started to deliver in the same way, but even Better. The best sex humanly possible. The best increase in energy imaginable and that is even without adding awesome things like qigong to the table, and the best mental changes full stop. Ejaculating once a week, once a month, or only when I feel really full in no way delivers the results that come from No ejaculation. Not even slightly. It takes work, especially at first, but it is based in practicality, and not in some puritanical Confucian world denying mind set. If anything it makes the practitioner more Involved, active, productive, and loving, in the world.

Wow. Great again I think that practicing cobra, or MCO with an intent to transform the horniness and having strong spiritual aspirations, and having a strong commitment to not ejaculating or having wet dreams, will help. Then if you do start to have sexual encounters while dreaming, you will naturally use your skills to love up that dakini if appropriate, without ejaculation, or you will change the scenario somehow...

Thats great! Make a firm dedication for at least 3 months, with no ejaculation, no matter what.

And this: There really is a reason why all the great cultivation traditions used this practice originally. Tantra and Taoist texts for thousands of years have pointed to this, although at some point many Daoist schools, [southern if I remember Eva wong correctly] became more moderate about it, saying it was ok to ejaculate once a week or once a month. I too experimented with this for years, but it just in no way whatsoever compares to, or measures up to proper cultivation. I personally believe it was laziness or the teachers trying to make this science more palatable, to get more willing male students, that created this decline in the teachings. Every man everywhere feels the loss of connection, the mild loss of Interest in his woman, and the loss of energy after ejaculation. Only some are honest enough to admit it to them selves. Athletes report their performance time is down after ejaculation. I find when I am doing well in Horse stance, If I then ejaculate, I loose stability and some of the time I can normally do it for, and the differences it makes to meditation are phenomenal... I will never go back, because once you get it right, and learn how to manage the energy, and how to accommodate it better within ones nervous system it is just so ridiculously Good, and enjoyable on so many levels, and one Orgasm compromises that. All for a tiny squirt in the dark with a single pulse of pleasure... lol. Weighing them against each other is like weighing a million ton block of Gold against a feather weight dog poo. But for the people who are not Interested in spiritual matters and want to be fairly bland conventional people, I fully encourage ejaculation. Or for people who are arm chair seekers, who think they are advanced because their heads are full of philosophy ideas and who sit there patting them selves on the back for their 'occasional' moments of intuitiveness or mild meditation experiences, I fully recommend ejaculation. lol And for men who want to have mediocre sex, leaving their partner unfulfilled and not even aware of the depths her body can take her too, as she has never been given a 5 hour gentle lovemaking session where every bit of her vagina and cervix starts to wake up, literally splitting her mind and heart open in soul wrenching ecstatic surrender, leaving her worshiping the God that you are from the radiant core of her wonderful being... well, try ejaculation!

Seems to be a popular subject these days, but twice a week is not low frequency I couldn't be bothered typing it out again so here is my rant from another thread... I recomend stopping Ejaculation full stop. It is empty and depleting. Learn a bunch of circulation/transmutation and sublimation exercises. And when the energy builds up which it will, get a life. Find things to put that energy into. do shaking practices, go dancing, make love for 5 hours without ejaculating, work on your dream whatever... You will slowly also become 'horny tolerant', which means you will become comfortable and even start to enjoy the high level of energy you are carrying around. It changes the nervous system over time, and will begin to naturally {even without meditation} produce the higher states of consciousness and bliss. Your mind will become clear and stable. And you wont get sick nearly as often... The Danger here is ego inflation. people will be very attracted to you, and you tend to become more persuasive, than your flat post ejaculation self. Keep to honor and Integrity as the rule. How does it work? I'll describe the Tantric angle in a simple way. The 'agitation' of built up sexual energy, that most mundane men just want to relieve them selves of, or 'get it out' so to speak, is actually energy stimulating your nerves and chakra's. It first stimulates the base chakra, and the sexuality of the base chakra is procreation, ie ejaculatory sex. Keeps the human race what Tantra calls Pashu's or herd like, as nearly all men give in to this base chakra agitation as soon as they feel it, if not faster... lol. They are depleted flat beings. If a sincere practitioner resists this for longer, the energy is filling them up slowly, the stimulation effect the second chakra, which brings emotions, a more active dream life, a greater chance of wet dreams, and produces pleasurable and sensual feelings in the pelvic cradle. One will feel very sensuously aroused here. Dont Ejaculate! Next it reaches manipur or third chakra, fire! Here the mind becomes firm and stable, and concentration goes through the roof. Use it for your life, yes, but make sure spiritual aspirations are number one, because that is the reason to bother with any of this in the first place. Next comes the heart. Yum. It just gets better and better from here on up. Heart opening, Love! Amazing. Having some good heart practice for here is very good, like metta meditation or any love sending/radiating practice. Master Choi kok Sui's twin heart meditation is particularly good if i remember rightly... Thats all I am going to say on the progression as its better to go in open and unsuspecting to the higher center's... lol Any questions?

16 years ago I began studying Tantra in great depth. One of the first things I came across [no pun intended] was the semen retention thing. Unfortunately many schools said different things on if/when. So I pretty much had to spend the next long period trying to see for my self what was good for me. In the periods where i was not doing much meditation, I never noticed much from regular ejaculation, unless I was doing martial art with lots of low leg strength stances. If I ejaculated in a few days before, a lot of my seeming progress would be lost, as my legs/foundation would be shakier. As I have been meditating for a long time, I have found the longer I am from an ejaculation, the more steady my mind or concentration is, as well as my energetic responses. For Instance, In terms of tummo kind of practices, where I have been able to heat up my body with my chi field, and sit outside in a hail storm wearing only shorts and a Tshirt, but remain feeling toasty, all that disappeared after a bunch of Great sex, with ejaculation. Conservation gives me a kind of stable Inner warmth feeling. I like to ejaculate once every 3-4 weeks, when I get to the point that If I do not I will have no chance of going to sleep. When I let that little bit off the top so to speak, It does not seem to negatively Impact my practices. But, one Grey area, for me is When my heart is really really Open. Like when I am a pulsing field exchange of Love with the Universe kind of Open. In that space ejaculation seems to give me energy, but often in that space is also when Injaculation [the real kind] happens. [naturally] A friend learnt from a Tahitian Shaman, and he said they use ejaculation to gain energy, but when they tried to share this with westerners it did not work. He described that their [our] bodies are too closed. This seems to mirror my experiences. In that open hearted space my body softens and more 'armouring' melts away. Reich's work pointed out that when we are completely 'de armoured' the body is in a constant state of Orgasmicness. I have experienced this... lol So I wonder sometimes whether the traditions from closed warlike or patriarchal cultures, developed semen conservation systems, but older shamanistic cultures, who at least in places like Tahiti and Hawaii where body armouring was less present, Just had wonderful energising ejaculatory sex? Any opinions? Be Well!

Sure. Cobra breath works well, when practiced daily. So does MCO. I do PC exercise every day with some kind of energy breathing technique... Another is Bhajan or Kirtan singing. It seems to be easier to find these events these days, and devotional singing opens the heart, which also means a sublimation of energy. Any excess energy will easily move to the heart plexus in this environment. Even reading devotional poetry will do this, and is a wonderful past time. Most Important is having strong Spiritual aspirations, as just having them creates a draw on the energy to move upwards. Study of sacred scriptures and texts that resonate with you and your path, will fortify and build your aspirations for enlightenment. Crown chakra meditation, such as feeling for light and listening for the Om of existence in the crown, are valuable as well, and create a strong upwards draw. Look after yourself.

Ahahah! I want to know whether a snake 'has' a tail?

Sure, the moodiness passes though, and will be replaced by something better

Wow, this sounds like tulku! Is that you tulku? If not, tulku, I think you have a twin out there somewhere, but don't bother talking to each other because you are not enlightened yet.

Respek! and good luck

I personally think all these pendants are crap. Its just cashing in on tech fears within the New Age market. Just look up any that have been tested by skeptics sites. The are bits of pretty tin, that do nothing. {ok sometimes they are pricier materials too, but they effect is the same} If you want to 'believe' that they emit something that protects you, then you may trick yourself into feeling 'better' when you wear them. Thats ok I guess, but why not just do chikung, to look after your energy? If these things worked, as in actually protected a human sized being from emf's, radio waves and god knows what else they claim, then every time one went near a mobile phone, while being used, reception would drop out. And they dont. Not only that but say it was mildly effective, and did a little bit of what they claim. Some frequency's may get past, but it would arrive 'corrupted' and the listner would hear a bunch of scratchy noises, beeps and distortion. But no! The frequency arrives intact, Every Time! No matter how many purple plates, Tesla discs... that you put in the way. I had one hippy argue that they just make the 'vibes safe' which was clearly an emotional argument, based on him wanting to believe in his Tesla necklace, and what he 'Feels' from it, rather than an informed and logical counter. That said, any transformation of frequency, corrupts data. I once demonstrated this to a bunch of my more gullible hippy friends. We were having an argument about it, so I pulled out my mobile, and got a handfull of these devises and using blutac {an actual good invention} I stuck them all over the thing, and then had one of my friends ring it. I made them all talk through it too to drum in my point. Now there are devices that actually do absorb frequencies, such as elf coils. Like an antenna they pick up the frequency, and then they turn it into electricity, but you don't wear these around your neck. The American government apparently banned the use of Elf coils in some coastal town, that sat between their ULF dish and where they test their subs, because the subs were getting corrupted data instead of ULF radio messages. When they investigated, they found some local electrician had been setting up Houses with Elf coils on the roofs, attached to battery's like a solar set up. ULF's are very strong frequency's [they are needed to penetrate the ocean to reach a sub] and apparently the houses were running their lights primarily off the ULF transmission. Seth.

No problem mate There really is a reason why all the great cultivation traditions used this practice originally. Tantra and Taoist texts for thousands of years have pointed to this, although at some point many Daoist schools, [southern if I remember Eva wong correctly] became more moderate about it, saying it was ok to ejaculate once a week or once a month. I too experimented with this for years, but it just in no way whatsoever compares to, or measures up to proper cultivation. I personally believe it was laziness or the teachers trying to make this science more palatable, to get more willing male students, that created this decline in the teachings. Every man everywhere feels the loss of connection, the mild loss of Interest in his woman, and the loss of energy after ejaculation. Only some are honest enough to admit it to them selves. Athletes report their performance time is down after ejaculation. I find when I am doing well in Horse stance, If I then ejaculate, I loose stability and some of the time I can normally do it for, and the differences it makes to meditation are phenomenal... I will never go back, because once you get it right, and learn how to manage the energy, and how to accommodate it better within ones nervous system it is just so ridiculously Good, and enjoyable on so many levels, and one Orgasm compromises that. All for a tiny squirt in the dark with a single pulse of pleasure... lol. Weighing them against each other is like weighing a million ton block of Gold against a feather weight dog poo. But for the people who are not Interested in spiritual matters and want to be fairly bland conventional people, I fully encourage ejaculation. Or for people who are arm chair seekers, who think they are advanced because their heads are full of philosophy ideas and who sit there patting them selves on the back for their 'occasional' moments of intuitiveness or mild meditation experiences, I fully recommend ejaculation. lol And for men who want to have mediocre sex, leaving their partner unfulfilled and not even aware of the depths her body can take her too, as she has never been given a 5 hour gentle lovemaking session where every bit of her vagina and cervix starts to wake up, literally splitting her mind and heart open in soul wrenching ecstatic surrender, leaving her worshiping the God that you are from the radiant core of her wonderful being... well, try ejaculation!

Great! twinners reply was perfect. Just stop watching porn. Become a fascist about it for a bit if that helps. A friend of mine talks about becoming an ejaculation Nazi. "No ejaculation for you!" Remember the soup nazi from seinfeld? "No soup for you!" become a porn Nazi - "No porn for you" And add Ejaculation in there. I fully fully support you in stopping both junk habits. They are both empty and depleting. Learn a bunch of circulation/transmutation and sublimation exercises. And when the energy builds up which it will, get a life. Find things to put that energy into. do shaking practices, go dancing, make love for 5 hours without ejaculating, work on your dream whatever... You will slowly also become 'horny tolerant', which means you will become comfortable and even start to enjoy the high level of energy you are carrying around. It changes the nervous system over time, and will begin to naturally {even without meditation} produce the higher states of consciousness and bliss. Your mind will become clear and stable. And you wont get sick nearly as often... The Danger here is ego inflation. people will be very attracted to you, and you tend to become more persuasive, than your flat post ejaculation self. Keep to honor and Integrity as the rule. How does it work? I'll describe the Tantric angle in a simple way. The 'agitation' of built up sexual energy, that most mundane men just want to relieve them selves of, or 'get it out' so to speak, is actually energy stimulating your nerves and chakra's. It first stimulates the base chakra, and the sexuality of the base chakra is procreation, ie ejaculatory sex. Keeps the human race what Tantra calls Pashu's or herd like, as nearly all men give in to this base chakra agitation as soon as they feel it, if not faster... lol. They are depleted flat beings. If a sincere practitioner resists this for longer, the energy is filling them up slowly, the stimulation effect the second chakra, which brings emotions, a more active dream life, a greater chance of wet dreams, and produces pleasurable and sensual feelings in the pelvic cradle. One will feel very sensuously aroused here. Dont Ejaculate! Next it reaches manipur or third chakra, fire! Here the mind becomes firm and stable, and concentration goes through the roof. Use it for your life, yes, but make sure spiritual aspirations are number one, because that is the reason to bother with any of this in the first place. Next comes the heart. Yum. It just gets better and better from here on up. Heart opening, Love! Amazing. Having some good heart practice for here is very good, like metta meditation or any love sending/radiating practice. Master Choi kok Sui's twin heart meditation is particularly good if i remember rightly... Thats all I am going to say on the progression as its better to go in open and unsuspecting to the higher center's... lol Any questions?

I think Cat nailed it, with her Like also attracts Like statement. can you imagine two fires wanting to tough each other to get 'hotter'? Or two body's of water wanting to come together to get 'wetter'? lol Gym culture and the 'Bears' in the Gay community are great examples. Burly Muscly men can be really into other Burly Muscly men. Maybe they just like those qualities? This is not me saying that all gay gym heads or bears are into the same... In the Tantra community, a lot of 'straight' people come in and slowly over the years end up more Bi. Energy is energy and all energy can be enjoyable...

To what exactly? There were studies carried out on some celibate Amish, who have a terrible time with their semen rotting and other ghastly effects, but they retain in a attitude of pure repression, and have no support exercises out side of a bucket of cold water... The same kind of studies have been done on cultivators and yogis, who use transmutation and sublimation techniques, and guess what? Everything is healthy down there. But the best way to see for your self, is to actually try it. Its an amazing practice, and it will utterly change your relationships. Whats the worst that can happen? You spend 6 months mastering your sexual skills and energy, and creating a much deeper connection with your partner! Sounds horrible and highly suspect!

Well the Taoist reply would be that Women have eggs! You know, the other half of the required ingredient for a body's life? Hence the taoist women who 'turn back the dragon' and reabsorb their menstrual cycle so as to not feel depleted by the loss of blood and egg... But this path is not for everyone. And some with no discipline, who feel they already have everything within them, and resent being told that the deep transformations will take work, well they sit around and make fun of the teachings, without having honestly tried them themselves.... These 'new agers' will never achieve anything of note, but that is how it should be. They are not worthy! The Universe doesn't run off a sense of Entitlement!

A retrograde ejaculation is only good for birth control, and is not cultivating life or energy. The loss is the same. The PC muscles should only be used to keep you away from orgasm, not to keep in your juices when you already went straight to orgasm. Also Even though a muscle retrograde orgasm is still safer than the million dollar point, it can still damage you. I have regular male clients who have become Impotent or have had bad varicose veins suddenly burst out round their Inner thighs from retrograde orgasm techniques... Cultivation happens in the realm of no orgasm. Thats right Zero Orgasm. One stays in the 50 to 80% arousal range, and never gets to the point of no return where orgasm/ejaculation happens. This has caused a lot of confusion, because there is a lot of talk about becoming Multi Orgasmic. People think that means Having one massive Orgasm then another then another, and it is not quite like that. What really happens is that all pleasure becomes orgasmic, and each little surge which is really a mini orgasm, becomes amplified, and gets stronger and stronger, and comes on closer to gether [faster] till one is in a totally orgasmic state without any movment towards 'having an orgasm, which would result in ejaculation or retrograde ejaculation. That way you loose no energy whatsoever, you move more and more deeply into mind exploding moments of love and connection with your partner, and after a few hours you are so satisfied, that even though still hard, you finish. The 3 primary tools to achieve this are: 1.) PC squeezes and strength [repeat, only to totally avoid orgasm] 2.) Relaxation - relax and enjoy the ride. 3.) Pause. sometimes its better to just stop for a few min's, and laugh and connect with your partner in other ways... Over the next month if you were to do this, you would find a strong build up of energy and horniness. Its basically like being celibate with none of the draw backs. Many men find this to much and advocate ejaculating once a month, but as a Tantra friend put it recently, "Get a Life!" Find something to put that energy into. And the spiritual benefits are great. The energy as it builds, will slowly fill your organs, channels and centers and eventually start triggering higher states, just by it self. Amazing.