Seth Ananda

I am very familiar with Nityama, and work very closely with a long time student of his. Based off things he has said to close students, some believe he takes energy from women, then feeds it back to other women to do the energetic orgasm thing. If you had read my post properly you would have noticed me saying that I am familiar with energetic hands off orgasm. But that, as well as what Nityama is doing is different to your 'alledged' skill, as in our cases it happens between two consciously interacting people, in other words there is an energetic relationship. You are describing giving them to female strangers, like the mcdonalds chick who was bent over facing away from you and presumably oblivious to your presence.... You can not get critical feedback off a report that could have no factual Information in it. You tube it and you will get real feed back... I sound cynical, because you speak so much and offer nothing, but I would be pleased if you can actually do this... Show us the goods!

Such a good book, Great Thanks to you for getting me on to it

:wub: Move to Australia damn it!

Awesome subject! Growing up in an Intensely abusive Cult, and having PTSD from it made spiritual bypassing essential to my path. As of 17, I hit the spiritual path hard. I had a pension for the PTSD issues, so all I had to do was meditate and study. Meditation, Bhakti, Tantra, Qigong and Ritual Magick were what got most of my Time. I spent about 10 years in intense and often long term states of bliss. I or my nervous system really needed this time. It was the first time I could relax and start to surrender, and feel at ease... After about 10 years, the last 6 month of which I didn't come out of Bliss for a second, I had perfected spiritual bypassing. If I didn't like a feeling or sensation, [a tiny bug in a massive field of bliss] all I had to do was focus on my Mantra a little more and a surge of bliss would wash away said Irritation. Then one day my Inner voice said 'drop the mantra' I was resistant at first, but then I got excited. Maybe I had cracked the egg? Maybe I was enlightened? :D It took about two weeks to stop hearing the Mantra internally constantly and i had to try to Interrupt it consciously quite often. Then it passed and the bliss started to fade. Very frightening process... Then It ended, and I was appalled to find that I was the same shitty old person who had set out on that path. The same judgementalism, fears, pettiness, insecurities... In other words I was as egotistical as ever. And very 'Un-relational' Absolutely horrified. Shocked. My Nervous system had changed a lot, and I had new 'capacities' but so what? My path changed a lot. No more bliss practices. I became more cynical, dryer, and I decided I had to dig my way to heaven. That lasted about 5 years, when I realised that I was being to hard on myself, and allowed some bliss back in, carefully. There have been a lot of swings back and forth since then, but I have settled on a set of practices that create bliss while simultaneously working on the 'content' or unrefined qualities of myself - of which there are plenty Some attitudes I have noticed or confusions that get turned into Spiritual bypassing: Some traditions tell one to turn from worldly dramas to face the One {or whatever name they use} And I think this can be good. Dramas/gossip/irrelevant distractions drain ones energy. But when one uses this to avoid hurt feelings, or an emotional tangle stemming from some shadow pattern then It becomes bypassing. Certain Newage beliefs Like: Its all a mirror! If my acting like a dick head upsets you, that's your problem! I have seen the worst behaviour justified with this one. Some of the Manifesting philosophy gets corrupted like this. As in: "Why are you manifesting me being like this?" I once got so angry at someone saying this to me, {after being a complete douch bag} that I held him down and gave him painful nipple criples, asking him why he was manifesting this happening? - Hey I had some serious anger management Issues when I was younger... Then Neo Advaita bypassing - I am not a person, why should I look at the personal? "Who is feeling these things" Turning inner content into an inquiry that does not release or help the content... I really like Ken Wilburs stained glass window analogy, of the different approaches to development Psychology/counselling...: Fixing up the lead, trying to find replacement pieces of glass, helping the structure hold together better... Spiritual systems that focus on States, Well being, morality and energy cultivation...: Polishing the pieces of glass so they are more transparent and beautiful Schools that deal exclusively with the Beyond, Awareness only...: They become Identified with the light that passes through the glass. Obviously some schools do some of every thing or two of these or only one. And one can be a Master in one of these without having the slightest skill in any of the others. Look at some of the great teachers who had terrible personal relationships. All the second or third, but no First! They are still great teachers mind you... Seth.

MY QUESTIONS FOR DREW First off I am glad drew is back here even though I find him [or his writing style] very annoying at times. I appreciate that he loves the full lotus position so much that he actually changed his name to it. It really is an awesome position! But I believe he has come across his theory's, and to try and make them true, he has drawn the needed back ups from multiple traditions rather than just one tradition. When someone ask's him a single simple question, he will bombard them with 'evidence' from Bonobo society, Gurdjiefs enneagram, Kalahari Bushman, Music and number theory, personality types, Chunyi lin, Taoist yoga, conspiracy theory, and god knows what else... Now several of his theory's which he backs up with multiple traditions, are simply not found in any single tradition! I believe this is why he desperately reaches for so many confirmations from such divergent sources. One example is his Perv theory. I might be wrong but nowhere in any tradition has a teacher been paranoid about Pervs stealing his energy, and said I need to sit in lotus all day to protect myself from pervs, or to counteract their energy draining tendencies... Drew would have us believe via multiple cut and pasted 'evidence', from various sources that Pervs and protection from, is a really Important part of any cultivators life. So my first questions to Drew are: 1) Where is a 'single' teacher, who also teaches this? 2) And If it was so Important, why isn't there multiple traditions with whole teachings on this? 3) Why doesn't Chunli Lin or any chigong master anywhere Talk about this? 4) Why don't we find talk of this In any 'single' text, or more Importantly in most of the main Important texts, from Taoism, Tantra, or Gurdjief? 5) Show me something in any single Important text anywhere, that says any of the following statements: -Full lotus protects you from pervs! -The signs of accomplishments are giving a woman an orgasm at a distance! -Pervs make your energy drop into the lower centers. Now Drew would also have us believe that any 'real' teacher could also give O@AD, to any women. For instance, He claims Crowely was not a master because he did not learn to do this. By this logic Drew is actually telling us that he is way beyond most teachers out there, as very few if any give random female strangers O@aD. If many teachers did this, It would be regularly talked about, and the term O@aD wouldn't have been coined by Drew {or by someone who knows him here}. Now mutual energetic climaxes are fairly common in certain circles, and I have them at times as well, but a key difference is that the woman is Interacting consciously with me, which I believe is a very Important aspect to mutual energetic climax... On the Perv subject, Drew claims to be able to read peoples energy on line, and says that very few people can do this - But of course he is one of them, and he makes pronouncements against fellow bums based on his 'rare' insight. Again it is totally un defendable for the accused, and is totally safe for drew. In his mind he won't have the chance of being wrong? Then you get him talking about giving babies climax, and see his interpretation of the baby holding its finger up, meaning something to do with erections? And then from that he comes to some conclusions about the kids father. For someone who writes so much and claims so much, you offer so little... So for my last question: 6) Please for the record, show us yourself in action. Set up a camera, sit in lotus in a park next to a foot path, or where ever, where female strangers are walking past, and use your pineal gland to 'make' them climax. Till you show some kind of evidence to us, everything you say is just hearsay and potentially just the nonsense of an intelligent and unbalanced individual. Or better yet, Would a female Bum other than Witch {who would probably orgasm just at the thought of having an orgasm} Volunteer to visit Drew for a free hands off energetic Orgasm? I really wan't to put this to rest, one way or another. Real of Fake?

Heheh, Why so serious? What you describe is only one kind of laughter - defensive. The Laughter of realization is quite different. Reading the lives of many enlightened masters reveals an often well developed sense of humor. Some students of such teachers describe the booming laughter of their teacher, being almost scary. It booms because it comes unobstructed from the deepest part of the belly. I believe the close one gets to realization the more ones life is charactised by 'natural' Laughter. {not defensive laughter} Seth

Absolutely, just don't drink any of their products, and tell everyone about it, join facebook groups... put up stickers... any other ideas? Spread them! It doesn't sound like much but public awareness is what these company's are really afraid of, and when they are so powerful that they can tie up someone in a billion dollar 20 year court case for saying something on tv, it comes down to grass roots movements to help educate the populace.. Imagine the outrage if people found out that Coke had been murdering people in a western country? It's weird that its somehow ok when it happens overseas...

Some things here in Aus, is we are we are starting a campaign to change Zoning laws to allow proper Eco-villages to be built... [crucial in my book] And we wish to start the proceedings, to get Earthships and other ecofriendly houses allowed to be built. And I contributed an idea to some friends who are busy creating Eco Tags, for a 'Built To Last' tag which means that Items that are totally free of planned obsolescence tech may Use it as a badge of honour... I think something like that should be done in every country if we want to reach a resource based economy... I also like the Idea of new forms of criminal charge, as in: Judge- "You sir are found Guilty of Crimes against the Earth" Accused- "But I was only head ceo at shell for 30 years!" or: Judge- Your organisation sir, is found guilty of Crimes against Humanity Accused- "The Coca-cola cane fields in Columbia are ours damn it! we have every right to hire death squads to murder the people and their families who try to organise unions for the workers!" Our world and its businesses need some serious accountability, starting yesterday...

Its good to hear that you do something useful alongside all that time sitting in lotus Respek!

Yeah! And thanks Hundun

+1

Once while Wwoofing, I got to live in a circular rammed earth dome house, styled on an Islamic temple, and it felt amazing to be inside it... it really made me appreciate Steiners theory that edges and corners create perspective, which is actually constantly, subtly, drawing ones mind and attention away from oneself... I just love circular housing...

Many great saints simply repeated Ram by it self their whole lives as well, like Kabir, and Neem Karoli Bubba...

what he said I believe Prabhupada was very sincere but Iskon is still a dangerous cult, and Prabhupada was possibly one of the most close minded people on the planet. I had the fortune/misfortune of living with Iskon people for a few years and the Bhakti part was great, but having to hear old tapes each morning of his Vile and Bigoted rantings became very painful... If you Know any Iskon people and wonder why conversations with them seem really one sided, it is because prabhupad actually told them not to even listen to the words of 'unbelievers' in case they pollute their ears... They pretend to listen, but sit there mumbling their mantra, waiting for their turn to tell you about Krishna...

Hmm I think I was mistaken that you started a thread about it. I think you talked about it in someone elses thread which makes it much harder to find, and I really can't look till next week. Off camping. Does anyone else remember this? If I can't find it I will retract my statement. But This still stands: You used to hang out in mcDonalds trying to give female strangers orgasms at a distance, and you spend half your time accusing others of being pervs!?!

Wow, I actually said: That is quite different to saying you 'claimed' to be an omnipotent god... And I'll have to dig for the thread, Its under your old name but I am sure plenty of people here will remember it. Anyway its Holiday season and I am going camping for a week. Talk then.

Drew, There are many people here, less evolved than you, equally evolved as you, and far more evolved than you, and none of them are writing epic posts about how their neighbours are psychically sucking them off, and that they have to sit in Lotus for hours just to counteract it. You have a problem. You are unstable. {we all are in some ways} Remember last time you were here, you talked like you were an omnipotent God, and then before you left you created a post about how you had been struggling with very serious depression for a very long time. To me, I see a problem. If you are actually unstable, yet writing as if you are not, this is a problem... Who knows, you may be through it? do you still live in your parents basement and hang out at McDonalds all day, trying to give female strangers orgasms at a distance? And you call someone else a Perv? Now again, we all go through some serious shit. This year 2011, I went through panic attacks as I got to work through some seriously fucked up shit from my child hood, but I am through that now. Be honest about your level of attainment.

Drew, this is just... Crazy You have to realise that there are deluded people here who actually believe you an Authority of some kind, and when you say shit like this, you swing them against another member, who writes valuable posts, not just long posts like you. You don't just accuse someone of being a perv because you disagree with them. If you are sitting in full lotus reading Scotty's posts, and your energy drops, it is because you don't like what he is saying, not because he is energetically trying to 'suck you off'. You are one deluded person. You know that right? People cant make someone's energy do something unless the victim is very unstable, or the manipulator is moderately skilled. So which one are you? Are you unstable, or are you surrounded by highly Trained sexual vampires?

Hehe, how could anyone 'get' someone like that? This is a subject I am very Interested in. There may be different levels of Enlightenment in different schools, but wouldn't most schools have Omniscience as automatic in the Higher stages of Enlightenment? In KS for instance a Yogi that passes through Vidya Kanchuka, is Omniscient... Also many people have short, before enlightenment experiences of Omniscience or something close to it... I for instance occasionally in mystical Union have short experiences of something I have been thinking of lately as Local Omniscience. I call it 'local' because it tends to be relative to where my attention goes. In other words I do not literally know everything, from every time, in every world, all at once. But So far it has never been wrong, and when I have thought about a person in this state, I have got to 'know' all kinds of things about them, including accurately seeing moments from their past... What do other Traditions have to say about such experiences? Blessings

Rofl!

What was the website link given? That will probably tell people for sure if it is the dodgy guy as I think he has had various sites up which people here would recognise. Sherfu Andreas is Australian however and If he was teaching in Australia, it would be cool for us Aussie bums to hear about...

Wonderful! :wub:

Cool dwai, What is your website?