Seth Ananda

Great thread still So many points i want to address, so little time. lol I guess Ill make some points about body/character armouring. I think it almost impossible to be in the military and not have rigid body armouring, and as Ralis pointed out, the mind set, the endless repetitive drills, the walking without pelvis movement in a stiff 'erect' posture are literally designed to engender deep body armouring. I am not saying that it was necessarily deliberately thought out as an army training method, just that it is somehow Intuitively understood by people with a rigid militaristic mindset. Force them into the mold of a 'Hard' man. Part of what Body armouring does is reduce ones ability to feel a particular range of emotions, based on the region of the armouring in the body. For instance when people harden up their pelvic region, engendering reduced movement and feeling through things like - Years of sexual repression, hours at a time of goose stepping, Riverdance, army marches that force the body, and general fear of having genitals , then the result is a person who has a hard/harder time empathising with the feelings of others, who finds it difficult to really relax into an utterly pleasurable sexual [not goal orientated] pool of Orgasmicness. That is the essential part. If Military men were capable of becoming totally soft and feeling, allowing the most Incredible flow of pleasure and love between them and their partner - which is a deeply feeling state - They could not easily go out and kill when ordered. Also they would not be prone to obey life denying/threatning orders. If you feel deeply, you can not easily just turn off empathy and love. It is much easier to just Inhibit the sexual function all together, train men to just 'fuck' women, not expand into the cosmos with them, to equate their genitals with their weapon, and give them a sense of pride in their ability kill other humans. I think Feldenkrais can be good to help move consciousness back into a limited range of movement. Tantric therapy's are my personal favourite, and use pleasure rather that pain for greater effect, and anything that increases the pleasure conductivity of your body. Pleasure is the ultimate melter of body armour, which is why militaristic society's are a bit suspicious of it in general, and usually have a series of pleasure taboo's. I tend to think that you should have a good therapist available also, as their can be some nasty psychological surprises waiting behind body armour. Pleasurable Blessings!

Very nicely put as usual my friend There are things I would like to add as well but parenting duties call me,

My thoughts: 1. Great Thread 2. Mass psychology of fascism is up there with the most Important books ever written, and its basic ideas should be taught in primary school, then explored in detail in high school. 3. we have a culture where it is easier to bring up things like a Catholic priest's abuse publicly, than say some eastern cultures. I personally believe that there is just as much child abuse in eastern Monastic traditions as in ours, but we have less chance to hear about it. I had one Tibetan ex Lama tell me with relish how much 'boy love' was going on in the Gelugpa sect where he trained, and that when caught, it was covered up quickly and quietly by the superiors, much like the Catholic church. I am also friends with an amazing woman who does government work in the sexual trauma field, with children in India and Nepal. She has told me some pretty shocking stories about kids from Tibetan monastery's. 4. In terms of cultivation, as I asked in my old Body armouring thread: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/16653-ejaculation-body-armouring-retention/page__p__229709__fromsearch__1entry229709 I often wonder how necessary retention is in the absence of strong body armouring. Since that thread I have learned more from my friend about his Tahitian Shaman teacher, and the things he learned. His teacher told him that when you are 'open' ejaculation is an offering of heart Love/energy to your partner, and that because you are 'open' the energy from the universe rushes in replacing the energy that leaves, but in even greater amounts. That to me sounds like what sexuality is supposed to be like, when we are free of nasty Ideology's that fill us with fear, and self loathing of our natural functions. He said it always shows in the eyes. A Master is always energised, his eyes deep, loving and feeling, his body soft and relaxed, with pleasure easily flowing. The rest have eyes that are 'flat' and un-energised, or mirror like - reflecting the outside, allowing no real communication between the inner and outer. He said when he looked in his teachers eyes, and many of eyes of the Tahitian practitioners, It was like looking into a deep, loving but dizzyingly vast universe. He also said that after doing further travels through the eastern traditions, that he went back to Tahiti as none of the great Eastern teachers he met [quite a few] had eyes that really contained the universe, or body's free of unnatural distortions. These Ideas certainly fit my experience of sexuality and cultivation. When my body and Heart are really really 'open' [vibrating in a sea of love and bliss] then ejaculation never feel like it drains me but actually gives me energy. I still think its possible that retention practices are for people who have a lot of Body Armouring, and developed within cultures that themselves engender strong body armouring. 5. I just do not think that a population of people who have shed the religious anti material plane repression, and all the hocus pocus fears that go along with them, Can be swayed by Hitler or Bush. When we free our body of the armouring that permeates it, a simple orgasmic pleasure begins to rise that free's us from the need to search for any outside stimulation. Our body is its own source of Incredible enjoyment and the more we can enter into its reality the better things get. Sharing this pleasure with others sexually is just the Icing on the cake

A master that is freaked out by 'vibes' is not a master at all. He is in fact still a slave despite any siddhis he may have attained in solitary retreat. A master means 'Free' and free means exactly what the word connotes. Free! Not hiding in some cave from the Scary vibes of the world. That is neither Free or Masterly.

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I Second that

Lol at X-Men I am not a scientist, although fond of it, so what about Bruce liptons work with lactose cells that demonstrate one life form transforming into another? [i was reluctant to bring him up as he is also a new ager, but Does his experiment still stand?] It made time magazine? Or does that not constitute enough of a transformation for you Immortal? http://books.google.com.au/books?id=H8G5mEymkNoC&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=Bruce+Liptons+lactose+cell&source=bl&ots=DdRFQS-Doa&sig=7obl46JzyjRFuQEeyMVks1K0jY4&hl=en&ei=de2sTYu4IoKmvgOypI3bCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

"When someone hates on something, it's because they already have that hate inside themselves." Really Immortal, is that your reply? lol We actually all have everything inside us. This lets even an enlightened person continue to use anger in its righteous expression. Your lame ass attempt to try to make my issues about Falun 'all about me' just failed. A person can see Injustice and corruption, and be appalled in any spectrum of awareness. Only the Corrupt and cowardly will try to use a 'mirror' analogy to make it seem like the corruption is really just within the person who see's it clearly for what it is. People like yourself fear awareness for It shines a Harsh light on the places you dare not look. All you are really Interested in is protecting your own Be[lie]fs. Beliefs are so not Interesting. What is Interesting is Direct experience, and expanding Awareness. This is where li Hongzhi could have been great. He has a potentially great system. He could have said, this is great look what happens when... Lets see what happens if we... How much can we be certain about the effects of... In other words he could have approached his teaching as a scientist and a philosopher. Instead he chose the path of Totalitarian Dictator and supreme Authority. Which is laughable at best, as he is not even a good teacher, let alone an Enlightened one. Now his sock puppet devotees spent their time cluttering up the Internet with pseudo science, praying on the gullibility and Ignorance in people with random and unrelated prophesy, and hideously dishonest attempts to make any fact that suits them stretch to fit their be[lie]fs.

Master Li deserves no respect whatsoever. He is a Dangerous cult leader. That is not a position worthy of respect. In fact he embodies some of the most Ignoble and worst traits available to humanity, such as the willingness to be seen as an absolute Authority... Despicable.

I have another question for us southern hemisphere people who can not see the north star. Does this matter? what would be your recommendation?

Cool Sloppy, thanks for the links fiveelementao, I was in no way directing passive aggressiveness at you If anything I was chucking the question out there for other bums to answer and I got some cool links, so Awesome! My question now [respectfully] is, In the first dvd, How much of the shamanistic element is present? I mean in a different way to normal chikungs that say just move energy around? or does the shamanistic elements/training come in later? Thanks

I will warn anyone away from a deluded and manipulative dangerous cult. And I will make sure people know the true colours of its leader. I am sorry that you do not like this, but for me, Its a form of service to warn people. Li could have been a wonderful teacher. Instead he chose to put himself in a a position of absolute unquestionable Authority, and seems to have no ability to question his Insane assertions. True Mysticism demands the ability to see the subjectivity of ones experiences. Having the experiences is one thing, but to not be able to see the filter that they come through, ie yourself, is when Mysticism heads straight into ego Inflation, dogma and Delusion. Its fairly obvious to me from Li's writings, that he really believes that what he see's is 100% 'fact' and this is the sign of a weak and unstable mind, that has little of value to offer the world. He is a dangerous man. And a fairly Stupid man. And he is too arrogant to see his faults, and his students will pay dearly for this.

As usual, Cool reply I guess I myself am just highly uncomfortable with absolutes. I feel great about "Evolution is most likely fact" and "evolution seems to be nearly Totally proven" Which is 'far far far far far squared' ahead of any arguments to the counter.

Please take this the right way, but can anyone verify that: 'The Shang Ch'ing Taoist tradition is known as the most mystical and powerful of the Taoist sects. For many years, the Shang Ch'ing initiates were know as wizards and sorcerers and were feared even by other famous Taoist sects.' I am Interested and I like to support fellow bums, but I would like to hear some verification of claims like this first.

I personally Loved the Falun exercises, and moral focus. I practised daily for a couple of years and learned a lot, and gained some 'powers' so to speak. I am annoyed as It is still my favourite and the most powerful form I have so far found. But eventually I had to give it up. I want zero connection with the cultish mentality/frequency of the organisation. Li Hongzhi's insane totalitarian ramblings belong in a nut house, not in the mouth of a spiritual teacher. He really should be locked up before he goes all Jim Jones. Also, as far as genuine spiritual traditions go, Falun is utterly lacking. All it has, is energy and Moral development. There is no proper training or guidance on opening the deeper senses, gaining presence in the other dimensions with good navigation skills, skilful means for transforming negative emotions, ability to communicate with the upper levels, ability to free the maladies of others... All it is is a good form with some nutty cult leader parading around, getting his followers killed.

Marble, I have to argue with you. How can anyone be ABSOLUTLY sure, about a theory that is still being developed, and regularly has revisions and changes? Being that fixed and black and white, will make a Marble head of you good sir. Now I personally believe in evolution, as Its Ideas are far more developed, with millions of scientists around the world working on it and getting results. Also, Christian creationism is as you say, myth, or based on a religious Idea in a book. Thats as stupid as the Epoch times readers believing that epoch scientists are somehow respected authority's with an objective stance. I want to see evolution declared a Fact, to shut up all the stupid religions and stupid cults like Falun and its epoch times. But I want to see it declared, not because we are in a hurry to rid the world of Ignorant superstition [which I empathise with], but because we finally have Incontrovertibly proved it. We have not done that yet.

I would have to dig to find quotes, but the Idea that life [both spiritual and physical] Evolved through a series of stages, from less complex to more and more complex is a very old Idea. Its found in early Hermetic texts, Alchemy, the Illuminism stream of Sufism which is an Islamic branch of Neo Platonism, In places in Kabbalah, and hinted at in the Greek teachings. This is not to suggest that they developed the theory in a great way, or collected empirical evidence, But Hermetisism sourced, Alchemy which gave birth to science. Also, Hermetisism and its various offshoots, has a long tradition of trying to undermine the Church, and bring about a separation of church and State. Thats two things that modern science has picked up and ran with... lol. Darwin and I share a belief in intelligent design that is completely contrary to the Christian Idea of it. Alchemists and Hermetisists Love science, as it is a process to understand the workings of the Divine in/through the world. I would never argue with evolution on any level, outside of being open to the possibility for new discovery's.

Darwin was an Alchemist, which is a branch of Hermetisism. Evolution of the species through more and more complex forms of Life, is an old Hermetic Idea. Darwin would have abhored Dwarkins.

Well I have to say that is a typical long winded straight up ignorant post. It's like talking to Gauss any other Falun head. You straight up ignore all the good points, and Give a long long reply. And what a two faced in-genuine reply. You try to discredit Rick ross, by saying he is not in the mainstream of cult experts, and then Ignore all the good points he makes? Stupid. In fact most of his points, are based on Highly accepted Mainstream definitions of Cultism. All something really needs to be considered a Cult, Is an Infallible Leader who can not be wrong or questioned. LI Hongzhi! Cult Leader! May I ask, are you a Falun Practitioner? And did Gauss ask you to come here to help win souls for the great Fa? I myself have experienced the negativity and bug eyed fanaticism within the organisation. I went there to learn a chigong form and was really impressed with what I learned, and so I went for round a year. After that I just practised myself. They were constantly telling people to go to china and get arrested for media and that that would somehow Improve our evolution, they said my friend who had been coming and then stopped was now an 'Evil practitioner' and that I should stop associating with him as he would blacken my milk white body or something like that... Then there was the no questioning thing. I am Aware and energetically sensitive and deeply Intuitive, and I like careful discerning analysis and insight - the higher rational Soul function - which every ancient and True school develops. Falun actively discourages free thinking and discernment. What Li says you have to just believe. I personally despise Be[lie]vers in any branch who do not test to 'Know' for them selves. Believing without Investigation is one of the lowliest, most disgusting and debased traits the Human mind is capable of. It is responsible for every religious war, and so much pain to our species. Something the Falun organisation actively encourages. Despicable. The true global enlightenment will be when Humans are finally able to see through all the hideous manipulation machines like Falun and other cults, and finally awake.

Talent is nothing by itself. There are millions of Talented people who never put in the time. They get far surpassed by the people who practice practice practice. But someone who is talented and puts in the time... A force to behold

Hmm homophobia, denigration of cross bred children [mud bloods lol] and general culty fanatisism. Its hilarious Gauss that you are so brain washed that you cant accept that this group displays all the Culty hallmarks that warrant Falun being denounced a a sick mind corrupting Cult. Awesome article: http://www.rickross.com/reference/fa_lun_gong/falun344.html

Being a bad person is just stupid, but hey, everyone is a work in progress. I was a rotten bastard as a teen so who am I to talk? But Having your head screwed on, and not just swallowing all Li'Hongzhis evil lies and cultish manipulation strategies, just because he 'said so' will land you in the shit? Really? So what you are really telling us is we are not allowed to question Authority? Or maybe that we are allowed to question but If we find anything Dodgy, [like nearly every deluded assertion li makes] we are not allowed to think about it or, and should really just overlook Falun's obvious failings? So you really just want to recruit vegetables?

Great stuff, thank you Respek!

I am Interested in this too. I heard recently that one of G.M. Huang's [i think it was him...] secret training methods, was instead of using the ruler, used a large heavy wooden ball. so all the bending and stretching and twisting of the waist, made his core muscles ridiculously strong. I am getting a medicine ball to start with, but does anyone have Info on Tai Chi ruler being used like this as well? Thanks