Seth Ananda

Thanks Marblehead I guess in some ways I kind of agree with you here but too discuss it properly with you I feel we need to be clear about the terms we use... like the word 'spiritual'. I think many soldiers would have any number of powerful psychic openings in war situations. NDE's, vastly enhanced senses of danger, life saving premonitions etc, as the out of the box conditions of war, are ripe for that kind of emergence. My Cherokee friend, says he survived Nam by always requesting night missions. For some reason, he could see Vietcong as glowing red Balls of light at night, and their side's men as green. His men began to trust him and he claims he saved them from many ambushes, and started getting given mainly night missions. Once his service was up that ability just disappeared. To me these kind of things may also happen along side spiritual training but I would not call them spiritual. Sure some states that shock or a completely unfamiliar environment, could knock a person into, may be 'spiritual' In and of them selves, and may vastly change an Individual soldiers outlook, But I do not see how war can be called a spiritual Path. The experiences had may cause a soldier, when he/she gets home to really reconsider things, or to even take up a spiritual path and if so, great! Also, [please correct me if I am wrong] In Nam days there were many conscriptions and general awareness among soldiers of corrupt government agendas [out side the hippy movement] was fairly low. These days Its fairly easy to see the corrupt government decisions behind the wars, and there is a Huge amount of social awareness around this subject. In Light of Knowing, with the tiniest bit of research, that If you deliberately join the army you will be sent to kill Innocent people, Is very bad Karma and clearly separate from any spiritual path. I think to be a spiritual Soldier, you must be able to be Absolutely 100% sure that you are standing for justice, righteousness and peace. Even the smallest doubt must be cause for Great restraint. But we are not talking about the smallest doubt. We are talking about the American army here. A massive machine perpetuating despair, horror, terror and Evil. I worry for onlyindreams. He is young, intelligent and has strong Ideals. But I am sure he understands that his government is corrupt. So what happens to him when he kills his first person in a less than clear situation. When the knowledge dawns that he actually chose to be there, and that he can not undo what he has chosen. Soldiers deal far better psychologically, with killing, when they can be clear that it was Just and Necessary for the greater good. Onlyindreams can have no such clarity about the job he wishes for. He will forever wonder whether that person deserved it, whether he did the right thing or whether he is just a murderer. That will eat away at him. I would not wish that on anyone. Peace.

You seem upset?! And still denying me my freedom? That is what I was saying is Fascist. If you reread my post you will see that did not say you used the word Fascist. Really, look for quote marks. Any there? What I did point out however was the obvious fascistic undertones to your perspective. You Believe you are American and stand for Freedom while simultaneously trying to rob me of my rights to freedom and free speech. Naughty naughty, and Very Very Un American! The Founders would be appalled! Peace Bro!

Yes I have been baiting him a little. It was a bit too easy Please show me an assumption you believe I have made? All I can see [naturally ] is my list of Highly Intelligent reply's to fairly stupid arguments... Seth.

Awesome, thanks for an Intelligent reply. First for me to be a Spiritual Warrior, I must cultivate a kind heart, and courage, and wisdom. I must be willing to stand for what's right, Face Adversity and Defend those who are protectorless. I practice MA, and I try to find the peaceful option to diffusing situations. I must be present and aware of my environment, and willing to risk death to resolve what I must. In developing Wisdom I know how to act in each moment perfectly. This makes me supremely free. For this reason I would never willingly join a group with conflicted moral values. That would compromise my own Integrity. 2. I do not believe that one can not be a spiritual warrior in today's armed forces. I Do however believe that at present, one can Not be a spiritual warrior in America's armed forces. My reason for believing this Is that the American army is a corrupt killing machine. At present it resides over Murder and Mass Slaughter, not Defence and righteousness. It Invades other peoples country's, takes their Oil, Kills their men, women and children, and Install's governments that suit America. Where is the Freedom? You can not practice spirituality and engage in the slaughter of Innocent people. And that is exactly what American troops are doing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W3wcLTtXhI 3. I also have friends who are in Afghanistan and were in Iraq for Years. We have talked at great length about their experiences there so I am properly Informed. Iraq is in a far worse situation since Saddam got booted. My Neighbours are Iraqi refugees. They are very afraid for their family's now when before they were not. 4. Sure some army people will be big hearted and/or Intelligent. So were many Nazi's to the people they loved and cared for. This in now way means they are spiritual Warriors. Peace! Seth.

Ah I love a Fanatic! oops, I meant a flag toting patriot Wow. Do you even read what you write? No really? Do you? Read it again. Now once more... Is it starting to look kind of silly and idealistic yet? first, sure maybe its not a Government although that Government is put there [some of] its people. And that is what the rest of the world [us] see. Sure its not the military either, But without the U.S. Military killing all over the world we would probably be in a much better situation globally. But not a piece of dirt with borders? Really? Tell that to the millions of Mexicans who get arrested trying to cross over. Tell that to all the gun toting Idiots ready to defend their land to the death! And then you say Its an Ideal available to every Human on the planet! But wait, no its not! Its only available to the Brave and courageous! I am confused! which is it? apparently I, and all the other scared, lonely frightened people are just not worthy of it! Did you Realise that you just outlined a Fascist Regime? A Fascist State may {some would not and would just be honest about their authoritarian nature} tell people that they are Free. But If someone such as my self criticises the way that they function, then they would deny me my Freedom on the grounds of my cancerous fearful nature. So am I free, or am I only free do do as you tell me? This is what I am finding very funny about many of the American patriot or right wing attitudes. They claim to be Supporting freedom like yourself but are full of Fascist undertones. Please read, The Mass psychology of Fascism. Its written by an American who had his books burned in America, the land of the Free. Now. I appreciate that you have a dream of what America, and Freedom could be like. I too Like the Vision of the Founders. But to think that that Vision, noble as it may be, can be enforced on the rest of the world is Fascism. I personally am sick of seeing American troops slaughtering foreigners for a Dream. Do you hear me? A Dream is just that. I practice spirituality to wake up from Dreams. And the American Dream has become a nightmare. weigh up the two: 1. A dream of freedom for all, worth Fighting for. 2. The actual waking reality of Slaughter, Murder and Theft on an epic scale. Take of your American Flag coloured sunglasses and see the world as it really is. Seth.

Yes! All it takes to be into something is to be into it. Are you Into it? I am

Heheh, I thought I would get a reaction like that So not knowing about why those brave men and women were there excuses them for Murder? Hilarious. If I ever get in trouble can you defend me in court? And you kind of backed up what I was saying in that last bit... As you point out America is rotten to its core. [American Tao Bums excluded!] Those Feeble minded majority, are American, and vote in the Murderers, who send the troops to plunder... The Freedom you are Enjoying and so proudly standing for, and are obviously ready to kill for, you only have due to Economically enslaved third world country's. Our entire way of life relies on oil stolen from the middle east. Comedy reflecting some nasty truth: Have fun

I personally like Marbleheads 'I'll help you if I can, I'll kill you if I must' and as far as de-militarisation goes I also share the 'trust in God, but tie up your camels' perspective. Its such a tricky Issue. If we keep building arms, so will everyone else. Thats why its called the Arms race... But If we just throw away all our defences we are open and vulnerable to whoever... But on the Spiritual warrior thing I do not think that is possible in the American army. America is the bully of the world. Nearly every war it sends its soldiers too is an unjust war, murdering oppressed people. If you join the Marines, you follow orders. No matter what they tell you to do. You do not transform into some Loving super man, you turn into a physically elite, order obeying number within a larger body. You get given state of the art equipment, and you get sent to what ever poor country has the balls to try and keep their Oil for themselves, where you kill their civilians. Sure you get told that you are there to over throw some dictator, so you can pat your self on the back as you toast villagers, but scratch the surface and you find America put the 'dictator' there after the previous 'dictator' tried to sell his beloved country's oil at a fair price. I am not anti military, just anti American military foreign policy. If you could find some military function that only serves in a 'defence' capacity, [like Aikido principles] then Great. But if you think you can turn travelling to someone else's country to burn their people alive, to bomb them, pummel them with Depleted Uranium which will poison their land and atmosphere and deform their children for years to come, and then Steal the one and only valuable resource they own [oil], If you think you can turn that into something spiritual then you are seriously deluded... In the Army you do not get to choose who you think is deserving of extreme force and who is not. And the memories of desperate peasants armed with Ak's and empty bellies who are just trying to defend their family's from a Monstrous foreign force, while you utterly destroy them, [while listening to death metal played through your helmets to keep you psyched] will Haunt you forever. Don't do it. Have the Guts to be your own Man, stand on your own, under your own rule rather than becoming a order obeying killing machine. Even Join peace core, or become some gang busting Vigilante. At least you decide who to fight. Even working security or being a bouncer, That way you can be sure that you will only be functioning as a protector. Better yet, devote your life to serious Martial Art training, every day, and embody the principles you read about, and one day You will Inspire so many young people to stand for something and to live well. Your Dojo would be a place of Respect. I've said my peace. Choose wisely my friend and have a Good Life. Seth.

Hi every one! There are already many Kundalini threads so I thought I would start a thread on the Various experiences of Juices one may have during Kundalini activity, in Tantric or Taoist style love making, or what ever Circulation practices anyone may have done that resulted in Juices Juices Juices! And the techniques that help facilitate this, but including spontaneous or unintentional awakenings or experiences as well... So, My own experiences which I have written about in a couple of places, started with doing intense practice of the pranic breathing exercise from the Merkaba meditation. I was doing about 4 hours a day of the pranic breathing. Out side that I was practising MCO, and middle pillar exercise, And had stopped ejaculating as me and my partner were trying out Tantric Sex. In pranic breathing you visualise a brilliant light tube or pillar that runs through the centre of your body. I would breath in through it, from my head and feet to a visualised golden sphere at my heart chakra, and then either back out, up and down the pillar, or out to a large visualised sphere around my body. After doing this practice extensively the Pillar was 'So' real to me that wherever i went, if someone had asked me to describe myself, I would have had to say "I am a golden sphere with a pillar of Light running through the middle, and somewhere in there is a vague Human shape..." In other words the visualisation had crystallised and become solid in my mind. One day I decided to 'Widen' my channel. As I did, like some tuning fork, my spine began to vibrate from tip to top and heat began to move. This freaked me out the first few times as the sensations were extremely strong so I would then narrow it down again. Then one day me and my partner were in orgasmic embrace, circulating our energy and pleasure together, when I started to have a 'different' kind of Orgasm. Instead of doing big draw and pc clenches, my Body just Knew to fully relax and let go, and I some how knew as well that I would not come inside her. My Testicles pulled in and started to throb or pump my fluid 'up' my spine. [Anatomicly impossible I know but i am just relaying the actual sensations] It really felt like my Coccyx was drinking my ejaculate. I could suddenly 'see' inside my body, and down in my Sacrum, in the hollow, a most Intense scorching heat began which felt like the juices were boiling and then suddenly rushing up my spine. -Terrifying!- When it entered my brain if felt like it scolded the Inside as it burst through the right and left ventricles and up through the first ventricle... My brain did a complete spasm, and i felt [and heard] it slap the inside of my skull in shock, and I promptly left my body. Crazy astral adventure... Later that night a physical ET opened a hole in space and Introduced himself to me and my girlfriend. He/it visited me on and off for the next 6 months and gave me many Instructions on subjects like: teleporting, merging mind with objects, and Information about the Juices I was then experiencing. So back to the Juices... From then on the Spinal juices would mix with juices from glands in my brain and create Amrit, or Divine Nectar. That would seep down Through my soft palate, and if I was sitting still for long enough it would drip on to the back of my tongue, and Yes, it is the sweetest taste in existence. Its not just physically sweet but psychically sweet. From my mouth it would enter my blood and Nervous system and It caused many unusual changes. One was, Bliss... two was my Mind and sense of self became totally Fluid and unfixed. Three, I could step in and out of my body at will. Every so often I would Widen the central channel again and my spinal fluid would bubble up into my brain again (although without the heat) fulling the process further.. My Alien friend said that If i kept the cycle going over years, that my skull would soften and open, completely changing shape as whole new areas of my brain developed. The experience lasted only 6 months though, as I did not continue visualising the pillar/central channel, and the crystallised Image of it within my mind slowly diminished in Intensity until widening it no longer produced any spine vibrations... So In my research over the last 16 years into the Juice phenomena I have concluded that certain things help bring about these events more that others. Please Share Any Insights as well. So Obviously, any exercises that run energy through the spine like MCO. Tantric/Taoist sexual practices or celibacy. Strongly Visualised Images that become a living reality, and that then 'Intersect' in some way with the spine and especially with the sacrum region... Practices that encourage 'softening' and sensitising the body into a state of total aliveness and responsiveness... Really strong Spiritual aspirations. In Hindu Tantra they talk about Ojas flowing either up or down. If it flows down its called the Death current, as your subtle essence is flowing out with your desires to the worlds objects. When it flows up its the Life current. It can be coaxed up temporarily by focusing on the crown or third eye, or by big draw style techniques, but to really get it solidly flowing up you must develop strong spiritual aspirations. In relation to Tantric sex this makes all the difference. I was really Impressed with Vajrahriday's mentioning [in another thread], of him and an ex dedicating all their orgasmic pleasure to all sentient beings, Sounds like a great way to help keep sex in the spiritual dimension... Would you Like to add more to this Vajra? Anyway I hope this was informative and that it inspires some great discussions. Has anyone got stories to share or good information on the Juices, what and how they may happen? Big Love! Seth

You Too my Friend, Great Blessings! Seth.

Thanks Vajra, nice again Just to clarify, I loved Muktananda and alot of my earlier training was in his tradition. I am not that fond of Gurumayi and have heard many first hand stories about her negative and violent Inclinations... When I later found my Kashmiri teacher only then did I start to realize how much Muktananda did not understand about Kashmir Shavism. This was not his fault of course and does not challenge his level of realisation at all, Its just as far as Kashmir Shavism goes, he had no teacher and only had the Books. There is a lot more to the tradition than just the Books... I Love Om Ah Hum. I heard a Taoist teacher using Om Ah Hung down the Dan Tiens and have been very fond of using it that way for a while now... On your Mention of Interconnectedness, I have been feeling that a lot lately. Its kind of Like everything around me Is part of my ever changing sense of self, like my self is really just an interchanging contextual field of oneness. Not some fixed oneness, an ever changing open kind of oneness with out a centre. Its great. Thanks again Seth.

Many great Buddhist Masters are falling over laughing right now. It is a tried and true path that brings the results that Falun lacks. So are many Other paths. The litmus test is has the path produced great masters? Buddhism has produced scores of them and still does... Metta! Seth.

The day when Gauss becomes even slightly capable of insisting on the literal interpretation of one of theses prophesy's, instead of just cutting and pasting the bits that could be relevant, we will all applaud Him. Funnily enough that will also be the day he realises that none of them are about Li. Just an example of some of the plain old stupidity that is being thrown around here: Gauss trying to imply that Li is the Kalki avatar through saying that he was born in Shambala. Shambala is either spiritual allegory, or sometimes considered an extra dimensional space. Either way It is described as city/place filled with enlightened beings and Masters, some from this dimension, many from else where. The highest Teachings are given everyday, and bliss radiates through every part of Shambala. It is emphaticly not some province in northern China, or quite simply everyone would know about it. Li was not born in Shambala. Gauss wants Li to be the messiah so badly that he will stretch anything to make it so. Fortunatly stretching the truth will not make Li the Messiah.{ever} :lol:

Gauss, you are so wrong about everything it is just plain tiring. Intelligent people have tried to debate you over and over again by pointing out really obvious flaws in your arguments, but the brain washed fog you live in is so thick I do not think any ones words even reach your ears. All you do is sit around all day stretching parts of ancient and unrelated prophecy's to fit your theory that Li is the new God man. You are basicly blindly twisting information to suit your self which is pretty much just lying to everyone you speak to. Li is not a god man or a messiah. This is obvious to anyone with some spiritual vision. He is an exceedingly clever manipulator on the other hand which is also obvious by looking at how he has set out his organisation. One day all this stupidity will come to an end. We will either see Li getting more and more paranoid and Isolationist, which his followers will continue justify, Or as It becomes more Obvious that he Isn't really anything special at all, that the world is continuing on with out him saving it, nor really even noticing him at all, He will start giving much heavier teachings, judging even the normal people as being Evil, and unredeemable. He will have to do this to save face, as there is no way such an arrogant man can admit his own faults, so the fault will have to be the world that does not notice him... Things will probably go Heavens Gate/Jones town around then. This is just history repeating Itself. Some mentally unbalanced want to be Messiah, starts out nice, gets some followers, makes some prophesy, but as It starts to become evident that he will not be saving the world after all... ...well, things start to get nasty... ...pass the cool aid please... ...no you go first, dont be scared, I promise you that the great Gong is waiting for you in the sky! Drink up... 1. Li did not Foresee the CCG reaction to his political stunt. 2. Li is Absolute Authority, if you do not agree that is just your Karma. 3. Li says Homosexuality pollutes your energy system with black substance. 4. Li really wants to be seen as the messiah or world reedemer or God man. 5. Li in Biblical prophesy would have to be the Anti Christ, as the person claiming to be the messiah that first pops up is the Anti Christ, not Christ. 6. Li claims to be part Buddhist yet his Ideas of what that means, or of what Buddhism is actually about, is so appallingly inaccurate I can only think he just made it up that he learned from a Buddhist. He does not even have the simplest understanding of what Buddhism [every school] tries to acheive, yet has the Gaul to say that his stuff transcends Buddhism. In short I think Falun is an Inferior method, with no [zero] potential to help liberate sentient beings, but does have some strong elements of energy cultivation within the practice. I pray that the Deluded souls that get lost within Li's deceitful web will start to wake up to the Inherent corruption within the system, and while keeping the good they cultivated, may they move on to a true path! Big Love. Seth.

I tend to believe that though the brain 'aledgedly' produces Dmt it comes out completely differently when in Visionary multi dimensional experiences. When I have ingested it or smoked it there are all the tripy shapes/colours and typical hallucination phenomena. When In deep meditation and 'vision' opens up, or say during my Kundalini awakening when I was chatting to my alien friend, maybe dmt was being released? My pineal gland was flexing and secreting like crazy but who knows? I tend to think that our brain chemistry is belonging to the - so below - part of 'As above so below' principle, in relation to Consciousness. If I have 'higher level' experiences, there are probably new brain chemicals that coincide with the experience physiologically. So to take dmt or something is to copy the 'so below' equation without having the 'as above' present. I think that is why substances can be useful but can not replace a proper path of practice. Sometimes the shortest path is the one that looks the longest. Blessings! Seth.

I have been holding some Impromptu shaking sessions at my house, and a Subud practitioner has been attending the sessions. All I can say is the shaking we do is spontaneous not forced, a follow yourself no matter how slow or fast kind of thing. He finds it very similar to Subud, but a bit more Liberating in one area in that we encourage full vocalisation of anything... He grew up in a Subud community and has been practising for most of his life. Big Love Seth

Hi Bums, fascinating thread here Professor Wong here in melbourne showed a friend the kidney flexing thing, but he unfortunately has retired from teaching. I am ok at feeling Liver, lungs, heart and kidneys, but poor at spleen. I was wondering about the cycle to do organ meditations in? Does it matter? Are there unsafe places to finish... Thanks All! Seth.

:lol: Brock is a scary beast isnt he! lol

Gooni's we do not have to Like some Fanatical Nut bar preaching at us and even worse preying on new open and thus vulnerable minds. It would not be right to allow some crazy religious fanatic to go unchecked and just ruin our Great site which many of us have been part of for a long time. Taomeow is one Solid Sister with Vast levels of experience, read her threads... I think you would benefit greatly from them. I know you have sided with Gauss in part, and I am sure that that is because he has been kind to you, and makes you feel emotionally Validated by confirming your experience of energy movement turning back and forth in your tummy. You in no way have to listen to me, but I invite you to consider the nature of your experience. Is it really the Law wheel? Is it the same as all other practitioners Law wheels? Is it possible that it is just energy that conforms to your Imagination and energy movement techniques? {which is still pretty amazing is it not?} I have been studying Energy sciences for the Last 18 years. This has lead me to many extraordinary experiences and has helped me developed some strange skills and I am glad to hear that you have started to have some of these as well. I have merged in cosmic bliss with the Universe, swapped bodies with partners, been Invisible, Had many many out of body experiences, battled Demons, talked with angels and all kinds of other beings, Hung out with an alien, raised Kundalini, sat in freezing hail storms and generated psychic heat to keep me warm, been blown through the air by energy, used telekinesis, Stepped out of this world, experienced Telepathy, Helped heal people of supposedly incurable diseases [such as hiv] and experienced crazy levels of bliss light and love... All this has been great and I encourage anyone who feels drawn to such stuff to search for it, as it drew me eventually on to a deeper path. On the way I met many teachers/teachings who tried to tell me that they were essential and that I could not achieve much without them, and as far as I am concerned, I have proved them all wrong. Many teachers use a little thing like the law wheel as a kind of 'proof' to new students but really [in my opinion] that is just a cheap trick. If you set up a wheel of spinning energy, which really is just chi tied to a circular pattern, then make a big deal about it to your students or friends, then possibly even pass it to them [which is fairly easy to do if it is strong in yourself] they will probably be quite amazed. It will exhibit signs of independent life or activity seemingly separate to your own will. It is cool and has some good uses such as It increases awareness of cultivation and energy, and may increase faith or belief in one's practice which is good. The Bad side is if the teacher makes it into more that it actually is. like: Its a sign of moral virtue or good inbuilt qualities... It makes you special or better that others... Its responsible for your evolution... If you piss off master it will leave you and then you are Doomed!!!!... Unfortunately Falun is full of such self Justifying black and white propaganda rubbish. And the followers generally are just as fanatical as any Jehovah witness you will meet. And also they are preaching hate against our Gay brothers and sisters. Do you really want to be a part of that? The practice itself is Good, almost very good. Not excellent. There is still a lot it lacks or does not develop. But the founder is crazy and grandiosely deluded. And many of the people while being nice, are still brainwashed distorted frothing fundamentalists. Now days I refuse to practice something that will connect me energetic to a polluted collective like the Falun gong movement. Great Blessings on your progress. Seth.

Correct me If I am wrong but In Arabic (the language of Islamic prophesy) the name Ali is two letters, a and li. So this pretty much makes it Impossible that they are talking about Li from falun. Gauss, get over your fundamentalist desperation to be validated by everything, it makes you sound very very Unintelligent. Also just to make sure you have no stupid Ideas that the bible predicts Li, remember that In revelations It says the Messiah will return 'as a thief in the night' or in other words that everyone will be surprised. This does not mean everyone but the 200 000 000 aledged falun fanatics... Even worse for falun and Li, is that in the bible [revelations] before this surprising and sneaky true Messiah returns, It claims a great charismatic leader will rise up who will win the hearts and minds of the masses [200 million sounds mass like ], and who will claim to offer a way to salvation and to be the messiah... This person is the ANTI-CHRIST!!! - EVIL - EEEEVILLL - Oh my God! Li Is the Anti Christ! Li is EVIL!!!! :lol: There is no getting around that one Gauss. You can not just pick the prophesy bits that suit you, you have to take the whole package. And the whole package makes Li the Anti-Christ! [for the reader please note I do not personally subscribe to end time prophesy but as of my upbringing am very well versed in the biblical end time prophecy's] Have a Good Day Seth.

A Cultivator should take every effort to warn new people away from dangerous groups like Falun. Pointing out his Lies and manipulative teachings as well as his obvious insanity is basicly good Karma. I may save someone from drinking the cool aid yet... When I watch Master Li practice he looks completely distorted to me. I never got a good vibe off him. India is full of fake yogi's can sit in Lotus for long periods without having any cultivation to speak of. All It takes is flexible hip joints. I myself can now sit for hours in lotus on a good day. Peace Seth.

The very life of Buddha shows him emphaticly not sitting in judgement of anyone, but only extending compassion and helping to dispel ignorance. So a Buddha's consciousness is completely different to white blood cells, as observable through his actual life. One of Li's many problems is that he wants his system to be kosher with and thus validated by every teaching and tradition every where. It creates a very powerful mindset for his brainwashed followers, so If they start to question, not only are they questioning the Institution but also every other Religion on earth... Who can win against that? The Authority of the Institution is therefore Absolute and Unquestionable, and the person who follows is nothing less than an amoeba while in conflict but virtually a Living God when in total agreement and obedience. That's a very powerful set of dynamics to be trapped between within ones own mind... Thus Falun Is Taoist, yet has no understanding of the way... Is Buddhist, but has no understanding of Emptiness and the central tenants of Buddhism... Is Christian, yet Li replaces Christ, and It adopts the hateful and divisive teachings of Homosexuality being Evil, and makes full use of all the doom and gloom where it feels suited to do so... Is predicted by Nostradamus, yet his prophecy's have been wrong for decades... I will mention swedenborg in fear that Gauss will once again cut and paste a list of his prophecy's from the Falun website, But anyone who has studied Swedenborg can tell you the all important 'context' that he made those prophecy's in is completely different to how Li's Cult interpret them - In other words they use the few bits that work and discard the rest, yet Herald swedenborg as their forecryer while completely ignoring his central teachings... To Learning to think clearly and freeing the nasty dualities within our minds that Cults use to trap us!

I am sorry Gauss I have been trying to stay out of this thread but I just cant let this slide past. Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand [200 million ]: and I heard the number of them. Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. Rev 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt. Obviously this is biblical End time prophesy at its finest. Are you one of the riders Gauss? Are you preparing to slay one third of the Human population? Because that is implicit in the description. If you are then that is pretty scary and extremely Incompatible to genuine cultivation practice. Here is another example of where you just hear what Li says and believe without question. He is a desperate man grasping at any and everything to validate a tradition he made up. So His biblical validation makes you all part of mass murder. The Validation he seeks in Nostradamus is ridiculous. As I said earlier all his prophecies for the end time are just wrong and out of date already, But that doesnt really matter to someone like master Li, because all he has to do is say Nostradamus said I would... and all his un-thinking true believers will just nod their heads repeating "Yes, Nostramus foretold us!" How you think Swedenborg was prophesying Falun is beyond me. He was talking about Christ's return which he says has already happened. He was a CHRISTIAN mystic his whole life! When I told you before Nostradamus's prophecy's are no longer correct, [and I have actually read them myself] you Ignored that and focused on Swedenborg instead. Don't just cut and paste quotes from the Falun Dafa website's prophesy page, actually go and read Swedenborgs writings, and you will see the Truth of what I am telling you. And please when you guys realise that you have no where near 100 million people and that all the Falun saving the world stuff Is not going to happen - Please do not drink the cool aid. I know you think I am negative but I have much experience with brainwashed people in manipulative Cults. It does not at all mean they are bad people, but they all develop the same communication style you have. [an inability to consider negative elements of their organisation or Leader - an absolute Faith in everything the Leader or Organisation says, and when an obvious error is pointed out, they Ignore it and pour out a mass of propaganda on some other area they believe is right to re-justify everything to them selves... sort of like how you just Ignored my Nostradamus point and gave a massive Swedenborg speel without even considering my first point, that Li is Wrong...] Big Love and May your mind become freer! Seth.