Seth Ananda

The Greatest Blessings to you and your family in this time Santi. You and your Son are in my prayers. Love Seth.

Whats the matter Gauss, no reply for me? Is it because I read the book and practised for a couple of years, and got good results, and recognised the negative cultish Elements within the movement? But Really, trying to use old Prophits to Validate Falun is just Lame. Especially when most of them are already wrong/out of date. Have you actually read Nostradamus? I have and his stuff is plain and simple wrong or no longer happening. been out for a long time too... Look up Swedenborg's prophecies, and you will find his prophecies are to do with the return of Christ, not in the flesh but in the spirit, and he returned in 1775 so I have to say Li is a bit late... But really, can you even think for your self any more or do you just Parrot what Li and your Cult tells you? Now, show me the bit in the Bible and in the Buddhist scriptures which predict Falun? I will bet you the context is completely different to Li's interpretation. And you are yet to explain to me the massive 3rd eye oversight of Li with the Chinese governments reaction to his political stunt. How? you mean Isn't his 3rd eye on like super cosmic steroids? how can he have not predicted something so obvious? Seth

I practised it daily over maybe 6 weeks, and really, It did not do much for me. Disappointed. I was quite excited too, as they go on about Heart entrainment and all that, and being someone who has heart health Issues, I thought it might be good for me but no, not really. Still two of the best heart Meditations I know are the Buddhist compassion prayers and the Twin Hearts meditation by master Choi Cok Sui... Have Fun Seth.

Um Mel, what are you trying to do? Get your self banned? I do not think he was being rude to you, maybe just reacting a bit to your strong reaction to 3bob. Read the Insult list again if you need too... I do not think you have to take people disagreeing with you as being 'rude' to you or harassing you. I like to think of the Bums here as my friends. If I couldn't Trust my friends to tell me how they really saw stuff, or to tell me I was in danger of being brainwashed by a cult, then they would not be my friends. They would be Indifferent strangers. Blessings Seth.

Hmm to begin with I think ralis is right about the term Cult being thrown around way to easily, so I do apologise for using it in not quite the right context. I tend to think of any religious/spiritual movement as a Cult. I am not anti Cultism at all in the sense that I think many cults have a lot to offer, so Yay for Cults! When I said Falun is Cult, I was meaning it in the popular sense of the word Cult indicating a negative brainwashing thing, which the Falun movement is. Thanks ralis for this, absolutely brilliant: "Please read my recent post on authoritarian systems and power. Falun Dafa is a top down thinking organization created by Li Hongzhi. He claims infallible authority and has exclusive power in the transmission of the teachings. By popular definition that is a cult. Academic sociologists would classify Falun Dafa as a new religious movement. Dafa is no more the future than any other mass movement. True believers are always distracted by the movement. ralis" And just because Li tells you there are 100 million practitioners doesn't mean its true. I think he would be lucky to have 1 million. with the small handful of people at the various city's meetings around the world, sorry just does not add up to much. But that's a typical manipulative claim, aiming for Authority by numbers which you have obviously fallen for and now use your self, as you keep parroting the "100 mill practitioners, that proves there is something in it!" Also as far as manipulative Cults go, [outside the Ineffability of the Gong Messiah who's 3rd eye is so deficient he could not see the ramifications of disturbing communist China, the country of Tiananmen square] Falun has plenty to offer. All the subtle manipulation, from claims that if you do not partake in their various activities, your cultivation will just stop, If you mix practices you become evil, Constantly telling you that Falun is not a cult and that you are free to leave whenever you want yet simultaneously Instilling the Idea that you just will not be able to develop out side of Falun as you chi has been pushed out and replaced with Falun... Asking you to believe that Falun is Buddhist/Taoist [trying to validate itself with popular belief systems] Yet claiming to go Way beyond them - which it in NO WAY does. Show me one High level Fa cultivator who has anything on many many Buddhist/Taoist masters in terms of Meditative ability, healing ability, other Siddhis like Inner heat, control of body functions and much weirder stuff. And if it is quasi Buddhist as it claims, where is the Emptiness Teachings? How are the students learning to see the actual nature of things [Emptiness and dependent arising, No Self] which is the absolute Crux of all Kinds of Buddhism as this was the essence of Buddha's realisation. There is nothing Buddhist about it. They are Lying to you. Just because there is a practice called Buddha holding Law wheel does not make it Buddhist. I know it feels like my post to you was negative, or carrying negative energy, but was it really? When we love something or believe that we have the absolute truth, and someone comes along and challenges it, it hurts us a bit. How would the followers at Jones Town have felt when their family members pleaded with them to stop following a Nut Bar? They would have felt all the Negative Evil of the world blinding their Family and trying to lead them astray. And they ended up happily downing the cool aid to prove themselves right. This gets to the strongest negative Cult element within Falun and many other Cults. Its when you start to believe any one who Challenges, does not agree, or thinks differently becomes Negative or Evil. And you Gauss have shown this perspective over and over again in your posts. In other words, you are already 'Brainwashed' my friend. Blessings to you all and may Freedom Reign! Seth

Hi Mel, I do not think you have upset anyone so don't worry about it. I myself just wish to see people approach Falun with caution, as the group and the leader have some Very negative qualities. You can see my story with them on possibly several of Gauss's 'Falun attempts at conversion' threads. That said I do think the practice is good and once I got sick of the groups subtle yet blatant manipulation attempts, I just left and practised it myself for the next year and a half. I was with them for around 6 months. So Its nothing against you at all. But if you start believing that Li Hongzi is some new Chigung Messiah then just ask your self why his -Ultimate wisdom Eye that is developed on every level- could not anticipate or foresee the Chinese governments reaction to his political stunt. Blessings on your Journey! And tell us if you get anywhere with levitating Seth.

Every good tradition cultivates Truth, kindness and tolerance as well as the rest of the Virtues... Li Hongzi's hilarious assertion that only Falungong cultivates these is well, just plain ignorant. His understanding about Buddhism and probably also about Taoism is just bunk. I practiced Falun extensively for a few years, and yes it has some great energetic enhancements as well as helping develop certain powers, but It is a cult, so beware. I learnt many years ago that just because you experience something good or 'miraculous' within a tradition or with some teacher, in no way means the source it comes through is good or miraculous... Some times a student is just fresh and young, and ready to open up to all kinds of 'goodness' and nearly any crap old system can be this catalyst. Unfortunatly in nearly every case like this, the student credits the teacher or teachings as being the catalyst rather than their own readyness. Falun Dafa is a cult. A good Buddhist school or Taoist school will take you Far, Far, Far further. Watch out for all the black and white exclusivness in the book as you read it. Notice the things that say will turn you or your friends into 'Evil' practitioners... Beware.... lol Seth.

Wow, nicely put Cat

when he withdrew to avoid other people, he seemed to think that seeing him would disturb them, and that it was not their 'time' yet for that kind of contact. He also said that anyone who established a good juice flow would have those kind of experiences and make Inter-dimensional connections. I am not sure how true that is though, It seems that some people get the juice without necessarily having strange Aliens pop in for tea... There is a strangeness to such experiences. The experience was Hyper 'Real' but how would one know about ones Interpretation the content of the experience. And some research [who knows how accurate it is?] equates the Kundalini juices with Dmt being released from the brain. Even when he was standing there in front of me, I always had this tiny little sceptical voice in the back of my mind saying "you could just be hallucinating all this..." In some ways I still consider that a possibility, Its a good safe guard as well against becoming a raving Literalist able to see only one possibility. Then again that voice could just be my 'normality imprint' trying to survive... I wonder about the various contactee's who ask aliens why they do not show them selves to the general public on mass? There are a range of reply's... some say its Illegal via Inter-dimensional law. [lol Time Cops anyone? Recruiting now!?!] Usually though [at least in the stories I have read] they just seem to think its to do with our level of evolution. If this was true it has interesting Indicators tied within it. For instance I do not think they are talking about only mental evolution, like say when white people in a white neighbourhood suddenly have a black family move next door. They seem to be talking more of 'spiritual' evolution, and this often makes me wonder why? If they are purely physical [which I do not think they are] then it shouldn't be much different to the white neighbourhood example. But If they are more than that, then maybe in some way they are 'tied' to some deeper part of us, or usually dormant part of us? Maybe they are a 'Real' hallucination...? They seem happy to let people catch glimpses of them but avoid direct contact, like with my girlfriend... Strange. Maybe we should take what they say at face value, and say "Ok when we are ready we will see them" but this goes a little against the Human desire to question, and to want it Now. Thanks everyone Big Love! Seth.

Nice, though for some reason the big duck scares me... :lol: Seth

Sounds Interesting, would you be happy to share more details? Seth

My girlfriend only saw him/it on the first night when he Introduced himself. We were lying in bed relaxing [me spinning out on spinal Juice] when he just opened up an inter-dimensional hole next to me. He said {telepathicly} congratulations on getting my spinal Juice's activated. He also said he was my future self and that coming back to help me was also going to help him, what ever that means... He was Pearl coloured, white with a subtle blue. Rubbery feeling cool skin. Said he was a silicon based life form. Had deep shiny and highly empathic black oval eyes. His head was sort of dolphin shaped without the nose or fins, sort of like the geiger Aliens but completely peaceful looking. No mouth or ears or genitals or anus. I only say He because he felt slightly masculine. On his side of the hole it just looked like deep black space. He reached through and stroked the side of my head. then he moved [with the hole] round to my girlfriends side of the bed and stroked the side of her head too. At the time I thought she was asleep, but the next morning she said when she felt something touch the side of her head she opened her eyes and was amazed to see an Alien being in a little portal, and she just sort of 'knew' it was ok and said hi then went to sleep. It then left the 'hole' open but retracted back into its space, and sort of floated over and positioned itself in the same space as my body [only in its realm] and then 'fired' the shape of its mind across gap into my mind. That felt like a download of the contents of his entire personality and knowledge. Completely overwhelming and I passed out. When we woke up, the first thing my gf says is hey, last night I saw... Later in the day when every one had gone out, I was sitting on the outside decking drinking a cup of tea, and he just opens the 'hole' again and steps through only this time he closed the hole behind him and just walked around the back yard with me. That's when the lessons started. After the mind firing thing, I could feel the distinct 'flavour' of each kind of awareness, and could see the energetic qualities of each mind Like a crazy supercomplex constantly altering Celtic knot pattern. [and to be clear, when I say mind, I mean more like the sum of content within the mind, everything that makes us seem individual...] He would have me merge my mind with objects to different percentages. This was crucial because the base mechanic of that process is the same as all the other Siddhi's that his species use. Over and over he drumed in that feeling is not limited to the body. That if I can feel anything I can then feel it anywhere. That was key to understanding what he called the law of resonance and Intent. To merge minds, I had to feel the qualities of my mind, then feel the qualities of the objects mind, note the difference, then just for a second 'Intend' to match my frequency to it. With the juices running thats all it took. Seth was gone and replaced by tree. Same goes for Teleporting, feel the body/mind space, feel the space I want to be in, note the difference, Intent to reverse resonate and 'Blink!' I never did that one, but he would just do it over and over in front of me. It was like being in school again only much cooler After that he would just pop back whenever the whim took him. In public he would stay over his side, but would start directing me telepathicly if he thought it was time for another lesson... I learnt lots over those six months, but a lot of it really fucked me up over the next many years. At the same time There is no way I would go back. Still I have integrated some of it, in my own very gentle way. He claimed his race were inter-dimensional Gypsies. He said they had completely transcended the slightest need for technology and not to trust beings that claimed to be evolved yet still used it. He said every part of the universe is in harmony with every other part, and if you use the laws of resonance to travel then you can go anywhere, even to a sun, as when you travel via Harmony, you always have the appropriate body for the environment that you land in. He thought space ships and UFO's were really funny and outdated. He said that there are Inter-dimensional parties somewhere in the pleadies that go for months that he sometimes stops by... That probably covers most of what I can remember at the moment. Big Love Seth.

Very Interesting everyone I have been wondering if Kundalini without the Juices, doesn't last nearly as long, in its crazy effects manner... Any Ideas? Anyone had that constant Inter-dimensional visionary wildness for Months or more from Kundalini, Like say just from the Fiery light, without the Juices? Also, I have read of different Levels of Amrit. When I used to practice Kechari I would sometimes get a sweet almost Coconut flavoured secretion. It would do something, but it was nothing like the Amrit created in my mid brain after the raising of the spine juices. Now Juices going up the spine is Impossible, as the spine/brain is a fairly closed system. The Cerebral spinal fluid is already filling the central tube and the skull cavity in and around the brain and thus serves as a protective 'cushioning' system for the brain. So when people feel the Juices rush up the spine it makes me think it may be a chemical or eletrochemical kind of event or 'cascade' within the fluid itself. Any Ideas? [i have to admit I am a bit worried that Drew will chime in here with pages of stuff I do not understand ] {no offence Drew } Thanks everyone! Seth.

Thank you

Thanks everyone apapch7, I did not deliberately impede it, I just got lazy When stuff gets really blissful it gets harder to find motivation to keep practising... Unfortunately this trap undid me multiple times. And no, I have not seen my alien friend since then. After this experience my cycle of Bliss/Depression began and lasted the next 8 - 9 years. It took a Long time to adjust too, and despite loving and practising Tantra, in many ways I really did not want to be in this world. I would lock myself away and fast/chant/meditate until the Sky opened, and then when the experience inevitably ended, there I would be, depressed and alone. Fortunately this cycle has a strong 'maturing' process tied within it... But enough about me, I want to hear about JUICES!... Seth.

Lots of people been flippin round me in the last week. A friend just got committed... What's the cheeky astrology up too?

Happy Travels!

Jk. Please read back over the posts you have made in this thread. Everyone has been playing nice, and sharing Information or experiences except you. All you have done is been really rude to several people and prattled on about nothing, but somehow claiming that through all your abuse you are a Taoist. Its obvious from your every word that although you may like to believe you are a Taoist you really have no idea what it is to actually be one. Simply living in China my friend is just not enough to qualify you... If you really need to Argue and accuse me of who knows what you will accuse me of next, before you reply, just re-read your Input to this thread. Blessings. Seth.

Hmmm I have often wondered about this question. I tend to think there may be differences in Intent and effect for many practices... Vipassna for instance [as I understand it] is designed to create Insight. What is Insight? As far as I know, Insight is wisdom and Insight into the nature of things, or to be able to clearly see Impermanence and emptiness. So basicly one sits and watches all the changing sensations in ones body or mind or breath until one is Very clear about the fact that everything is changing and ultimatly empty, Till you don't even have to think about wether it is empty or not, as you can just 'See' clearly and non-conceptually and Instantly the Reality of every sensation and situation. This is very different to just moving awareness or energy around your body to open channels, or to increase ones Chi capasity... But that being said, I do not think they have to be mutually exclusive either. Some Chi meditations may produce Insight as well. We would have to look at them case by case to know. I do not think MCO [at least the ways I have been taught] are Insight practices. Nor Kumars water Method, although I really like his stuff for long sits as a suport when my body gets sore... A Question about whether something is an Insight practice or not for me would be 'Whats my Focus or attention primarily on. If it is on building chi or moving some energy somewhere else then there is not much room for just viewing the changing nature of things with most of your minds attention. I personally like to do Chi stuff first to calm my mind, then I go in to Insight practice. But I may be wrong

Wow we are not both Human, and I am a Murderer? lol. Thank you for correcting me, you really put me in my place, and I feel much more liberated Your Illumination and wisdom shine through your skilful means of communication But here, :wub: Seth.

Thanks everyone as well! This is a good thread [JK stop feeling so threatened by questions, they are far more important than Answers! ] Gold I love your bit on Inter-subjectivity. I have been saying that for years. I personally feel that the Idea of the possibility of Objectivity is just a carry on from the Judeo-Christian One true God world view. It went from one true god owned by priests and rabbi's, to One true Truth owned by Lab coats. In my old Tradition the supreme state {Shiva] was called the ultimate Subjectivity... lol I also like the bit on being caught in a paradigm of a single perspective of awakening. In some {not you Vajra } of Namkai Norbu's students I have really seen that. They get so fixated on awakening being a sudden not gradual thing that they seem to rob themselves of the ability to evolve gradually, and the result is that even the Long term students {many of} just seem like jumpy nervous beginners... I think that's why the Idea of open ended Meta Paradigms is very Important as they can contain many smaller specific paradigms within and give them openings and room for growth... So thanks for bringing up the Idea of not awakening the Kundalini as a way things can be viewed... [other Ideas are Good JK] Thanks Vajra for sharing your experiences as well, and those book recomendations, I am not familiar with either of them - Damn! straight to Amazon... Its Amazing stuff. Cat, I would love to hear about your experiences as well, I don't get a Female perspective on this much, Rare and Valuable Big Love everyone {you too JK} Seth.

Most non Hindu traditions I have heard of put Kundalini in the lower abdomen region. [and you can argue that if it is not hindu it is different to kundalini] The Kalahari talk of the Num, boiling force, that begins in the belly region and then blasts its way up. And yes it does get tricky, cause some would say it goes straight up the middle, some say intense heat up the spine.. I like to think it depends which path is easiest for it. Some Hindu teachings put it in the Kanda point, many which put that point in the belly round dan tien region, but some put it elsewhere... They would say, similar to some Taoists, that the belly energy drops down to the base and then rushes up the spine... and up the middle... My personal [entirely subjective] experience was of it rushing up both channels. I was practising long hours of energy practices, strongly visualising the central channel, and then one day i decided to see if i could 'widen' the central channel. As I did this my spine began to vibrate and then become intensely hot, So hot that sometimes I'd yell with fright. I kept going on and off with this till one day during Tantric sex, I had a completely different kind of orgasm, where I relaxed totally and my juices got sucked up my spine - I know i know, physically impossible, but I am just relaying what it felt like. It felt like my tail bone was drinking my semen. So crazy energy up the spine and bam! I left my body. Lots of cosmic experiences blah blah, had a physical Alien give me regular Instructions for the next 6 months and all kinds of weirdness... After that any time i widened my central channel, my spine would resonate, the juices would 'ignite' and reach my brain and... I could feel the amazing concoction being made in my brain by all these juices and gland essence's and they would seep down through my soft palate and drip on to the back of my tongue. Amrit, as the texts describe, is an astonishing fluid to have circulating around ones body... I could leave my body at will and many other stranger things... All this went on for about 6 months, but by that time I was so blissed out I just stopped practising and naturally everything just wound down. Heheh, I spent the next 12 years trying to Integrate all that stuff. Seth.

Hi Gold, I have never heard Hindu's talk of prana awakening either, which seems to me more like the Taoist Ideas of Chi. Kundalini is 'something else' [ominous music] I at least 'like' to think of it that way... I do think I have Heard references to Kundalini Awakening in Taoism, to do with opening the thrusting channels which then 'releases' a massive energy, but I may be misunderstanding... Some of the people here have a vast level of Taoist knowledge compared to me, Maybe they can Illuminate this further? I do still think there are positive points to your Idea, and the shaking medicine [thanks Hundun ] may be a good example in a way as they just shake and everything starts to happen and in that tradition who can say what is that energy and what is not...? Still, personally it makes me uncomfortable saying that, just because to me, and most traditional systems, it is a very Specific thing not to be confused with other energy's. And That New age "I felt a sensation in my spine so it 'Must' be that my Kundalini is awake so please Love Me" thing I mentioned really Bugs me. Seth! P.S. and I like your Rational side

Do not worry Gold, I would never accuse 'You' of being 'New Agey' but what worries me about this perspective (I do think it has some Good points in a way) Is that I hear exactly this in many New Age circles. The Politically Correct New Age society, is terrified of being 'Un-Inclusive' to the point of ridiculousness. In many watered down modern Traditions, (IMO most modern Tantra being the worst) they Have given up on even the Idea of Enlightenment (as none of the founders have any Idea of what that actually is) in favour of - We are all already Awake, as long as we are present and In the Now. They tell people that Their Kundalini is Running if they Feel 'Anything' in their spine, their 3rd eyes are open if they see any Images in their heads and... This is just blurry New Age thinking and wishing that everything was equal. So when you tell someone who has not experienced Kundalini to focus on their Kundalini, how do they actually do that? Until they experience it, [sorry about the Time reference Kate ] ie after an awakening experience, when one can then differentiate Kundalini from say, a day at the office, How do they Focus on it? Oh no I just Marginalised everyone who hasn't experienced Kundalini! Do you feel judged and Inferior? [not you Gold] But all that being said, tradition does say that we would not be alive without it so it is running in a minute manner. But still to Go around shouting "Yay I am alive! that proves my Kundalini is awake!" has no purpose other that to alleviate some spiritual jealousy one may be experiencing. Big Love! Seth.