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Cool thread! Awareness and where it is and how it works is very important... any sensitive person will be able to feel where your attention is when they're open during sex... Try having sex with all your attention on thoughts - thoughts about performance, is she enjoying this, am I doing this right, what if I do this, when should I do that, I wish she would do x etc etc... Any time I've had sex in this mode, I've been profoundly unsatisfied and so has my partner... Try having sex with your attention focused between your perineum and belly button, and allow the feeling to over-take you. It's like you're channelling an inner part of you that is seldom allowed out. For a man it's like letting the deep, primal part of ourselves take control... the sex is passionate, dominant, filled with primal emotional energies... The masculine is explosive, outwards centred - the passion is directed out at the partner... The feminine is receptive, implosive attention is inwardly directed... There is no thought, no holding back or second guessing... This can be very exhilarating and satisfying (temporarily) and can cause powerful explosive orgasms. Then when your attention is heated, lubricated and flowing in the belly area bring it up to the heart area... Here it's more about love, connection and deep intimacy. It's slower, less fiery, less polarised and dominant... It's more about sensations, feelings and connection than 'action'. Awareness is 'simultaneous' both inside and outside... the physical act becomes just an expression of the loving connection between the two partners. There's less friction, less tension, but much more openness, vulnerability and intimacy... you're not building up to one huge climax like before but flowing freely up and down enjoying the bliss of connection... Next is mind to mind sex - not something that can really be explained. It doesn't even need to have a physical element to it. It can be done over distance... Energy is between heart and above your head (where your hands would meet if you clasped them overhead)... It's much more subtle, but very much more powerful... I've only experienced this a couple of times... Each of these ways is important and needs to be experienced... It can also be mixed and matched... if let's say the man is more open in the primal area and the woman in the heart - the man can ignite the fire and the woman can direct all the energy he's pouring out through her heart, helping the man open up his own heart and loving connection. Sex can and should be used for self discovery - it's a very powerful tool.

Pax, when you start any kind of practice that is remotely spiritual, expect things to change. Change is always unnerving. Habitually sad people may start to feel happy, which gets a little 'too much', or feels foreign or uncontrollable... Happy people may start to feel sad... chilled out people might get angry... and angry people might feel chilled... emotions - the actual feelings - are not good or bad, they're just feelings... we should have a balance of all of them... if we make it a habit (an addiction) to prefer, and elicit only one set of feelings, the other feelings still happen, they just get trapped because they aren't allowed to be brought into awareness... so what can happen is you develop a backlog of unresolved, unprocessed, un-witnessed feelings... and when your body, mind and energy start to open up, these feelings bubble up into your awareness. It's quite normal, and nothing to worry about. Just take it easy on yourself. Also it's one thing having feelings come up, and a whole different ball game if you start to 'indulge' in the feelings... you know running thoughts through your head constantly and not just letting the feeling pass through. So I recommend relaxing, not being too concerned and remembering that this is just an initial phase... you'll have both good and bad feelings come up, just let them, and don't indulge.

It quickly became clear that this thread is nothing more than an advertising campaign. Amazing how many times the names 'Andrew Lum' and 'Patrick Moon' could come up in one paragraph!

Yes. But then had to relinquish this attainment to be able to get back down and type this. Hope you're pleased with yourself, Vortex.

People are making assertions about what 'the kunlun community' think and do. So as someone who's part of 'the kunlun community' I wanted to clear some things up. In all the times I met Max, never was it stated that the Kunlun practice has anything to do with martial arts or 'control' of anyone or anything. In fact, it has been made abundantly clear - both verbally and experientially in practice - that your progress is directly correlated with how willing you are to let go of any contrived, superficial control and your willingness to open your heart. Never was I, or anyone I know, told in any way, directly or otherwise, that we shouldn't see any teacher that we want to see. And SSTT was openly advertised on the Kunlun Forum. Max teaches Kunlun, not Maoshan. And he respectfully explains that the techniques we practice in Kunlun originate in disparate Maoshan traditions - as taught by Jenny Lamb and Andrew Lum. So assertions made by Maeven - such as "Kunlun people are now being forbidden and threatened from inquiring about the SSTT", or that we "feel vulnerable, scared, disproportionately indebted, unworthy because you have virtually nothing to show for the hard work at your practice, isolated, abused, at risk from the psychic part of the training or from your teacher, and unable to protect yourself." And implications that we revere Max as some kind of Master that we need to follow like mindless cultists is disrespectful to us and to Max. Maeven, please don't include me in your generalised assertions. If you want to make specific comments and share opinions on specific events and people, then you're welcome to do so. By specific I mean what you, directly, saw, heard, felt or smelled/tasted... So rather than "x does Y" you would say "on monday I saw x do y"... Otherwise all the deletions, distortions and generalisations make your information as useful as provocative fiction - although entertainment should not be undervalued.

Sean mentioned upgrading this place to V3 a while ago. Personally, I liked the idea, others didn't... let's see what happens.

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You could check out Time Line Therapy - which was 'created' by Tad James (website here). As a small tip - try this out... remember what you had for dinner yesterday. Now think of what you'll have for dinner tomorrow. switch between these two thoughts - back and forth - and notice the internal sensory difference. if you were to imagine a line... where would yesterday's dinner be on the line? where would tomorrow's dinner be? Is the future in front and the past behind? is the future to the right and the past on the left? is it on an angle? are you on the line or above/below/to the side of it? try it with a longer timespan... this imaginary line runs differently in different people - and how it runs in you would provide some insight into your behaviour and 'personality'. Playing with this with no preference as to what you get out of it would be the most nourishing way to play.

Yeah - it's another one of those 'dramatic' subjects. ASC and a few private individuals make the 'real' thing... to be used for spiritual ascension.

cool - yes it clarifies it. So let's play... the kind of game where you imagine stuff and then you imagine you're not imagining Imagine that yo (the manifest) is constantly being born out of wu (unmanifest) your awareness can move between these two - you have everything/nothing emptiness on one end (wu) and you have separate things on the other end (yo)... and your awareness can move along the scale... Now I would imagine you've rarely been in a state of complete wu for a decent length of time (neither have I, and neither have most people)... When you move into wu fully it feels as if you're dying (and indeed a 'you' is dying) - it's like getting sucked in by a black hole - nothing remains... now when you totally surrender to it, you may find that this unnerving emptiness is not empty at all, but in fact the source of everything. I would also imagine that it's unlikely that you've rarely been in a state of ultimate yo for any length of time. It's like being present to the smallest single point of concentration... When you move fully into this singularity, it unfurls like a flower into ultimate nothing - emptiness... You've given birth to the yin within the yang and the yang within the yin... and these two can dance in such a spontaneous way that everything manifest and unmanifest is born anew... action and non-action dancing together, and arising spontaneously, because they are born from pre-personal source... and of course - we're just playing with this... ever seen an otter play with a stone? they throw it in all manner of ways, spinning it, catching it in different ways, rubbing it on their bellies etc... that's what thoughts are for - nothing more 'important'.

How boring would life be if you didn't!! The fundamental question is what is knowledge? if it's what you personally know, well it's far, far, far more limited than what the universe has to offer. When we say wu wei is spontaneous, we mean that it arises from the formless. Personal knowledge is defined by form... personal knowledge is based in duality... the formless is unknowable, just like the Tao, it's unnameable. A name is stationary, it's defined by limitation... a name says "this but not that"... the word 'cat' limits all experience, throws most of it out, and limits it on a particular animal... it's "this but not that"... The formless by its nature is everything - it's "this and that and not this and not that and all of it and none of it" all at the same time. Knowledge, no mater how expansive, complex or wise, by its nature is like a word - it's limited - it's "this but not that"... so action that is inspired by knowledge can only be contrived because it comes from a personal, limited experience, not from the formless everything. ouch - too much thought xD

wu wei has nothing to do with knowing. nothing to do with appropriateness or inappropriateness. It is action that is inspired directly by infinite wisdom - not anything you could know, and not anything that could fit a duality.

haha - nononononono - the fire is not 'positive'. The fire is transformative. 'Positive' and 'negative' are just stories - the content of the books, they're not real... And the most important thing is not the fire, but the physical book itself - feel the physicality of it. So in actual practical terms - feel in your body the feelings that a memory arouses. Be patient. A memory, just like a book, has content (the story) and context (the physical object)... We find it difficult to let go of things because we become too attached to the content, the story. Feeling it in your body (feeling the physicality of the book) allows you to disengage from the story and perceive a far more 'real' aspect of the memory... a part of the memory that you've seldom allowed yourself to feel before. Once you've allowed your body to feel it fully - with full awareness, with no direct intent than just to be aware of it - then you will find it much easier to let go of. This is to be done with both 'negative' and 'positive' experiences.

You're going for 'divide and conquer'! Try 'unify and lose'! all you'll lose is everything... and all you'll gain is nothing... nothing is a metaphor for everything, and everything is a metaphor for nothing... The reason I talk in riddles is because words are not equipped for this level of depth... but there are parts of you that know all this already.

Imagine yourself as a bag of stuff... lots of stuff.... tens of thousands of ideas, thoughts, identities, behavioural patterns... Your bag of stuff is all you know. When you reach out into the world, you compare everything that you come across with the stuff that's in your bag... what you have in the bag colours your perception of what is 'in the real world'. In terms of behaviour, you're limited in scope to what you have in the bag... This bag is very important for 'you' - it keeps 'you' stable and it keeps 'you' safe... because you know what you have in that bag, and you know that the behaviours in that bag have worked before, and so quite likely will work again... Someone in the state of wu wei has lost all the contents of the bag... in fact, even the bag itself is gone... the distinction between 'you' and 'not you' is gone. Instead of a bag of stuff bumping into reality, and filtering reality through the contents of the bag, a sage in wu wei finds that him and reality are re-born anew constantly... in fact there is no him and no reality - it's all one. In terms of behaviours, instead of picking reactions out of a bag of conditioned, 'safe' responses, the actions come straight from the divine... from Tao... not from a 'you'. You can think of it in terms of stimulus -> response... most of us live in this manner: - there is a stimulus from 'the real world' and we respond from our limited identity (our bag of stuff)... Someone in a state of wu wei is the stimulus. What it feels like... hmmm... the feeling is not a 'something' - rather it's an absence of all 'somethings'... and it's like everything is new, constantly... everything changing constantly, nothing is in a state of stability... like being in a constant state of rebirth... Try this right now - turn your head and eyes to the very left... then scan the entire room, turning all the way to the right... did you notice your eyes jumping from 'things' to 'things' (the chair, the light, the painting)? for someone in a state of wu wei no one thing is more important than another... the space between things is just as important... the brain doesn't latch onto 'things' - because everything and nothing is the same thing They would be able to scan the room with their eyes jumping onto everything and therefore nothing at the same time... And yes - it's a paradox - it's a constant paradox, never solved... because a solution would result in the state of wu wei being lost.

Oh cool! I'm really glad you guys enjoyed that! It's the "Declaration of the N/om-Kxaosi"... It does come from the Bushmen of Kalahari... I couldn't recommend the book "Bushman Shaman: Awakening the Spirit Through Ecstatic Dance by Bradford Keeney" enough - it's had such an important impact on my kunlun practice. I first read the declaration in this book. The book is a collection of Keeney's spiritual experiences with the Kalahari Bushman Shamans. I also realised that being the oldest culture around they carry a lineage to the very beginnings of spirituality - way before the egyptians or any literally any other known cultures... they carry the root practices... and the spontaneous movement and shaking that I practice is directly related to the spirited shaking and spontaneous movements that they practice... this is where yi gong comes from! EDIT: Oh! and make sure to check out the videos and other great stuff on Bradford Keeney's website. (Scott - I challenge you not to have your kunlun activated watching that video )

and "How" leads to action. "I feel cold inside - fluish - my eyes want to close" "How do I get through this?" leads to "relax, keep a diffuse, peripheral awareness and drink lots of water".

I've found Oxypowder the bee's knees... a bit over-marketed, but works very very well... I did my cleanse for 9 days - taking oxy powder at night before bedtime, some very light belly massage in bed... then in the morning a clay and psylum shake. And pretty much a vegetarian diet throughout the 9 days. It worked nicely.

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1) Me 2) You 3) Everyone else too Any behaviour can be considered as 'insane' and 'bonkers'... depends who's doing the considering, and who's being considered... Jenny Lamb can easily be thought of as insane.... Michael Lomax certainly can.... So could Lao Tzu... We cling to stuff, because falling into emptiness is so scary (or blissful - depends who's doing the considering ) For the people who cling to stuff, falling into emptiness is pure insanity.... For those people who are falling into emptiness clinging to stuff is pure insanity.... Most of us cling a bit, then fall a bit, then cling a bit then fall some more... some practices require you to not only cling to the stuff, but collect more stuff, arrange all the personal stuff in an orderly, stable way, throwing some away, keeping some, adding new stuff, reconfiguring old stuff... then you must climb up the tower of stuff and at the very top, you must abandon all your stuff and jump off the top and fall into emptiness... at the bottom of the emptiness there is 'true stuff' (the stuff that was there before you were born... not the stuff you built and collected and clung to) In Kunlun we start straight off by falling into emptiness... as we fall through emptiness, all the personal stuff we had clung to drops off us... when we reach the bottom we discover the 'true stuff' - that was there before 'personal stuff' came to be... then we begin climbing the true stuff (very easily as we have no personal stuff to burden us)... as we reach the top of the true stuff tower, we discover 'true emptiness'... then true emptiness and true stuff make a baby choosing the first route, you need to be good at building personal stuff towers - be very careful, very controlled, know what you're doing, have close guidance on what you should be keeping, what you should be throwing away, where to put what stuff etc etc... The second route you need to know that it's all ok... your stuff is falling apart, and that's just fine.. you'll be ok... relax... if you get scared flying through emptiness you'll start clinging at random stuff falling off you, and it will bring a bit of hardship, no more hardship than before, but it will seem worse, because there is a lot of freed up energy that will make the stuff quite obvious and painful-looking... Gloria, it seems that for you, you need stuff!! the security of having your personal stuff there is not to be underestimated... like having your old security blanket... you'll let go of all your stuff when you're ready - so it's cool... The problem is you see other people falling through the emptiness and you keep throwing them stuff, because falling through emptiness seems so dangerous to you! "You people are falling can't you see that!?!? here's a life-ring of stuff for you guys, take it to save yourselves!!" Some of us say "yes we're falling - that's what's meant to happen, don't worry"... some of us, that manage to catch the life-ring and not let it go say "oh shit!! now I'm scared!!" What seems to happen with the people that others consider 'bonkers' is that a lot of the personal stuff has been dropped, but a few things still remain... To illustrate this better, imagine a sky full of stars... the darkness is emptiness the stars are stuff... so a night sky full of stars is how most 'normal' people are - there is lots of stuff... it's all mixed up... because there are so many stars, your attention is not drawn to any particular star, you just see a sky full of stars... now a person who's dropped most of his stuff has only a few stars shining in an otherwise empty, black sky! so immediately your attention and energy jumps to those few stars... they seem brighter, bigger, more important, just because there are so few of them... you see, all personal stuff is crazy (you could actually replace 'crazy' with any other adjective - good, bad, interesting, boring... it's doesn't matter, it's just the spin you give it as the observer)... it's just that most people have so much of it, that their awareness and energy is thinly distributed over all of the stuff, and you as the observer find your own attention when viewing them thinly, but evenly distributed also. So you don't have enough energy or bandwidth of awareness to see the craziness (or any other aspect) of each bit of stuff... you just see it as a collection - a star-filled sky... When you observe a person with only a bit of stuff, you will notice that because there is not much there, firstly your attention is very quick to identify the stuff, and all your bandwidth of awareness is concentrated on just a few bits of stuff, so you see those bits of stuff in full, fine detail - you'll see all aspects of it much more clearly... so you fixate on some of the stuff, you point to it, and if you've decided that the stuff is crazy you go "omg - look at that crazy stuff"... The quality of the stuff is in the eye of the beholder, that there is stuff is obvious, because of how attention and awareness interacts with it... Anyway bit too much eh? Well it's all stuff anyway, so arrange it or let go of it as you see fit! and I bet this is confusing to a lot of you, but some will get it, hopefully...

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