Pietro

Hello Mantra68, let me clarify where am I coming from. in my daily job I work in academic. I do mathematical models of biological systems. I study evolution. I also have a degree in math. And I don't understand quantum physics. I don't even understand general relativity, although I did had a course at the university about it. Nice equations, I just couldn't get what they actually meant. People around here consider me a smart guy. At the university is the same. In my job I have to pay attention to what I say. Everything that I say have to be bullet proof true. Provable on the blackboard, chalk in hand, writing equations. At times my work consists in tearing apart claims made by others. That's how good science works. This lead me to be very careful to the claims I make, very careful to the topics I touch. This is even more true since my job lies between different traditional disciplines. Like Biology and Chemistry. Disciplines that I never studied during my math degree, but that I have to apply willy nilly in my job. So every time I write a paper I need to pay attention that someone from those fields will not disprove it. It makes you humble, as you have to admit all the things that you do not know. Science also makes you humble in forcing you to write papers with the real state of the art. Not saying this is so, but this could be an explenation. We suppose that... . An educated guess would be that... . Because really you don't know. It takes many many experiments from different point of views before a theory is accepted, and considered part of the standard paradigma. And this is good. I tend to use the same language also when I write on the internet. In fact I even tend to think along those lines. Another thing that scientists generally agree on is that the fact that something seems a good explenation, or you wish it to be an explenation, or it fits what you are looking for, does not mean that it is the case. And a third thing I have learned is that being an expert in a field takes time, and commitment. And only those experts tend to know enough to be able to make semi-definitive claims. So when I find claims like: this changes the dna, this other make your junk dna do this and that taoism is only quantum theory this screams BS to me. Not because the claims are true or false, but because you don't know, you cannot possibly know, but you claim to know. if your teacher was a world recognised authority figure in the academic world of biology, I could have accepted a claim such as: "we don't actually know, but it might even be that it activates part of your junk dna". Hell, I might even believe it to be what happens. And the bigger is your claim, the bigger the authority you have to be. To say that taoism is quantum physics in action, you need at least to be a taoist master (which I gather your teacher is) and a nobel prize in physics. Such a claim, worded like that can only come from someone of that status or it just goes straight to the rubbish bin in my house. And the more you are sure of your claim the faster it goes. Zip, zip. I value doubt, I value integrity, I value humility that comes from hard work and recognising what you know and what you ignore. So this is why you gave me that impression. I am sure you don't. Do not confuse - the ability to come up with a plausible explenation for something from - knowing what is actually going on. There can be centuries of research done between one and the other. And, as I said, if someone makes this confusion, which Igather you do, maybe your teacher doesn't, I not only doubt their theory, but their scientific preparation as well. Sorry, poor scientist, I wish you could have experienced it but you were not among the lucky ones. Try again next time. Just FYI, I have a teacher, he is a lineage master too, he too sometimes make unsubstantiated claims, and I answer him as I do to you. During class at times. It's happening less often lately, . You are not getting an unfair treatment from me, I am an asshole all-around.

What is the difference between a dream and reality? That one does not disappear when you wake up. Or you can say if you really have something you are less prone to the pain of discovering that it was all a delusion. Said that there are some things in which believing something might help you to get it. But believing something is not having it. Example you might thinkl you have 1000 dollar in your pocket, and this might give you the confidence to go at an interview and eventually have the job, and then the money. But just believing that is so, it just doesn't work. Especially when you try to pay with it. it is this kind of concept that I think is the more viral and dangerous part of the new age mentality. And the one that most of us received as part of our HT training.

Sounds like the situation where I'd go, learn the tecniques, shut the fuck up and go away. And never, ever, for any reason, discuss about the scientific explenation of what you learned there. And the more I read posts from Mantra68 the more I feel so. Yet I am grateful that he told us how the pictures were done. Beside saying to someone to test things yourself to decide wether to believe it or not is a great way to have many students. Especially in a field where you need a good decade of practice to be able to asctein the truth of some claims. We need to be able to keep our bullshit detectors on, and use it to trim the tree of possibilities.

Hear, hear, my guru has spoken.

7 years without a guru, Yoda! You're my god.

Agreed, yet with every diet the possible problems are seen after a few years. By the time your body has used up any vitamin, mineral, nutrient that you were taking before and are not taking anymore. For example for a person in SAD to become vegetarian is a very pleasent act. Much less weight to digest, and if you are not hooked on meet you will feel better. Except that years later, unless you were very careful, B12 deficiency, protein deficiency, fat deficiency, etc... will start to creep in. But by then you assume your diet cannot be the cause. Hey you have been eating like this from years now. You even give suggestions around. What sources are you following for your diet. I am in Primal diet, but I am looking for similar diets, as I realise that getting all my energy from honey, no matter how unheated is not so good for what remains of my teeth.

I agree. that's why I started this whole thread. More specifically what kind of behaviour would you consider ethical for you, unethical for you, unethical for anybody. And most importantly, why? (remember no references to external authorities in the answer)

She gave me oral permission. When you truly love a mammalian you can pick up permission from subtle clues. so am I getting my drink or hot?

Hmm, suing from one nation to the other... lot's of luck

nice retreat I might let you buy me a drink as compensation you got paypal?

And when you make them sign a consent form are you not stepping in their process? What women would go with the kind of rabbit, I mean guy who requires a consent form to kiss them? Aren't we all interacting with each other? Do you get a mail every morning with a list of all the people you will encounter during the day, and their cv, and life-history to give them a consent form in case seeing them might arise terrible thoughts in you? Do you similarly send a message explaining what will you do during the day, asking for permission, in case someone desires not to see you? Do you kiss people only after they have asked your permission. Are you not disgusted by the simple thought? In fact the thought is so unpleasent that I might sue you for arising it in me. Cat, Cat! Are you totally out of your mind?? Wake up. Or have the Politically Correct american mindset totally watered your brain. You want to know something that is WRONG? Fine. To be so anal retentive to expect the whole world to stop the dance because you are too paranoid to just get up and join them. And yes, sometimes we fall or bang on each other, that's part of dancing. But if you can't stand it, don't be in this society, don't be in any society, for no society can function if you need a meta-analysis of everything you do. And you know why it is WRONG? Because it is a failure strategy. Feminists are trying to make it. In fact on one hand women are requiring it, while on the other they are giving themselves exactly to the guys who tell them to go to hell, with their consent form rolled up, up theirs. And this division mirrors a division between women's rational thinking (ugh!) and women's body wisdom (yes!). Cat, what a delusion you give me. and? Be my guest, I'll give out numbers to settle priorities.

Max, I gather he had it 13 years ago.

WAAAAA HAHAHa! Passing throug London this friday (70%) or saturday(40%) on my way to brighton and eidenhoven, you (or any other Londoner Tao Bummers) 'round?

Neither. I am instigating, arousing. The energy is the energy of growth, wood. Acting at distance.

agreed. Mal, you must really believe all this is wrong if you read my post as a justification. No time to answer you on the rest, now.

I think the inner and outer game is a useful division, but inner game in itself is not enough. I know many people who only went on the inner game and never achieved much. They might have increased their value skyrocket, but it might also made their availability go way down. And if they kept their availability low, then the girl would go: uh, uh why is this incredibly high value guy being so available? Something must be wrong over here. I've seen that happen a lot. And the more the guy then pushes toward the girl the worse it is. In my experience, and what I am learning now, is to go with the flow. You see, it is normal to have sex, to make love and to reproduce. If it wasn't so we simply wouldn't be here. We would have extinguished long time ago. If it doesn't happen. If it happens way less than it should. Not just as too low, but very very low, then it means that somwhere the flow of energy is not flowing properly. And this is where I applied my PU skills. My inner game was already very high. Think about it, here you have a person who has done meditation for more than 15 years. Whose integrity is such that he would even refuse to buy an mp3 reader with radio included because then he would have to pay the taxes on the radio every month, even if he never hears the radio and no one would know about it. Who is able to feel the energy in his body and others body, and move it practically at will, and have sex for many nights without ever coming. And I think I am describing as well most of the people in this site. People over here already have their inner game. Surely it is in a much better shape than most rAFC (recovering AFC) or even most PUA "gurus". But then the outer game comes of two different taste. Active and passive (the division is mine, but I think it mirrors a fundamental division in the game, just one that it had not been focused on that much). The active one is when you act so to awaken attraction in a woman. The passive one is when you take a women who is already naturally attracted to you... and you avoid all the little errors you would normally do that would turn off the attractions. Which errors: -I think you are so nice, I really would like to ... with you Puff! She is gone. -My name is... Puff! -I would like to make love with you... Puff! -I would like to be your boyfriend Puff! kissing her then: -sorry Puff! Trying to kiss her in the wrong moment Puff! NOT kissing her in the right moment Puff! (Actually LJBF!) Not knowing how to escalate (or knowing it and not doing it) Puff! Not taking the lead! Puff Just being yourself! Puff Puff Puff! and so on. those are not inner game issues. Those are outer games issues. But they are mostly negative actions. It is mostly avoiding the errors. And if you get someone who has a really good inner game, but still makes those errors he will be pretty much single. A bit like the rock star who all the girls like at distance but once they get to know him his behaviour just pushes them away. In subtle ways he himself cannot comprehend. Why don't all the guys in a Bruce workshop have a girlfriend. I mean really, most of them are really nice people, way better than the average joe, more interesting, less needy, and with their shit sorted out. (I took Bruce as opposed to others because I know it, but any school with a good vipassana school would equally well do). Most of those people have a great inner game, but no outer game. They keep on doing silly mistakes. They keep on doing what their mother (or their female friends) told them to do to get the girl. Which was wrong! Having the greatest inner game is just not enough. Beside all this, having sexual success breeds succes on an hormonal level. Ypu can be a great meditator, but a hug goes a long way to balance your hormones. A good fuck even more. As a man once you start opening people and having succes you have oxytocin flowing and this is what help you to open more girls. Now here in Europe are thinking of giving nasal spray of oxytocin for shy people. I suppose you can rapidly find the rAFC in a town by looking at the queues outside of pharmacies. For women, women who have a lot of estrogen are the most attractive (in the animal kingdom those are the ones who are in estro and thus ready to reproduce), and estrogen gets released also through intercourse. Which gives a chemical base to the saying that a woman in a relationship becomes prettier. So I would say that as long as you do inner game, and this passive outer game you are mostly in very good ethical ground. why? Because you are only letting what is naturally there shine through. WHich isn't saying anything on the active side of the outer game!

She's like witch! There is also a vague resemblance! Now we got them both! Well, don't worry witch, I am going to Lisbon to a conference, which includes a workshop on Gaia: Homeostasis and the Selection of Steady States. Once I am there I'll look for possible rebalancing solutions, then when I'll be back, we'll find a way to fix you.

you must understand her. Taomeow is so yin and receptive that witch extra yang finds an easy grip. *Pietro runs away two times faster*

Witch, I just ordered your book. I am spending more and more time learning endocrinology, so I would also be interested in a good bibliography. Will I find it in your book? For example this relation between dopamine-serotonine and an anthropomorphic point of view of the world has been investigated anywhere. Cheers, Pietro

Really nice. The story of Wang Li Ping grandfather reminds me of star wars. After all in the book he was teached by the 3 masters. But they were his master, his master master, and a third. Now his master would be his "father"? Practice speaking. His master master would be his "father -father". A game of words similar to: -What happened to my father? -He was killed by DartVader Agreed with Sean, the cemetery standing practice sounds so cool!

Hello Keith, I am back. Vacations were wonderful. I read your entry but I could not understand it. (You know, too much oxytocin lowers the brain functions ) For example what do you mean by: "whole topic of pua community is rife with shen theory examples (vis-a-vis the centers)" or: For an AFC (average frustrated chump), what center/s are making the aesthtic rules and social decisions? Which centers are shut down/out? How does that show up?what center/s are making the aesthtic rules and social decisions? Which centers are shut down/out? How does that show up? Are you asking: how does the energetic structure of a person changes when he moves from AFC to PUA? And What is the enegetic difference between an ethically ok PUA vs an "ethically challenged" (i.e. asshole) PUA?

Thank you Trunk. I said before (jokingly) that you were responsible for me loosing 1 hour of work, but now you gave me back one hour of vacation. Me so grateful. Yep, sex obtained through PUA is not trivial, and it is nourishing. Hooker sex? Not my department, sorry, although virtually all my tai ji teacher told me I should use them. And that's where the knot is. There is a difference, and without getting into the hairy damp land of defining exactly what that it, trust me on this, and accept that your vast experience never touched this. A 1-night stand gives you something that no hooker ever gave me.

10 minutes a day, but do that every day. When you are confortabe doing that even when you are sick, ill, lost, etc, bring it up. Eventually it becomes part of your life. When you "practice" try to make something happen. Example, feel the whole body, or have a full body breathing, or breath from your abdomen, or ... When that is easy, try to make that happen outside of your 10 minute, and use the 10 minutes of "practice to go deeper". When you are able to do that thing when you sleep you start learning something else. As such is not a fixed time. There is some time for intense practice in the morning, and there are periods when you are trying to fix something in your life. And then periods that are more calm, as what you were working with has now been integrated, and the new stuff is not ready to be done outside. Generally start to learn things when you are sitting, when you can do that effortlessly do it standing when you can do that effortlessly do that while making circles in one plane (vertical) ... in the second plane (horizontal) ... in the third plane (vertical in front of you) ... doing tai ji ... and onyl then you can do it when you are doing other things ... while having sex (any activity that invloves other people) ... while sleeping. ... learn something new and go back to step one As you can see it is not a linear process but a circular one. As such there is no single answer. Also please pay attention that different school have different methods. Yoga would often say practice as your hair were on fire. Taoism does not follow that, we believe in being in balance all the time. I could say more, but I have no time. Pietro