Pietro

Hello Cam. I would like to give you my unique perspective on all this. And it might sound harsh, and it might sound unpleasent, but I do hope that it doesn't sound (or is) untrue. Look at your question: soul searching time... ... what is America to you ... who are WE as a nation?... Now just imagine, what would have happened if I where to write: soul searching time... ... what is Italy to you ... who are WE as a nation?... Wouldn't it feel strange? Wouldn't it feel extraneous. Being the only Italian here you might think it is only a matter of number. But I could have said: soul searching time... ... what is Europe to you ... who are WE as a union?... Because there are quite a lot of Europeans in this forum. And still it would feel strange. Or I could have asked the 'what is Italy to you' question in an Italian Forum. You know what would have happened? I would have been considered crazy. A Raving maniac. I am not making this up, this is exactly the attitude most Italian have respect to who idealises Italy. We accept this kind of phrase from the president of the republic, but only during official speach, and while he is in office. It's not that we don't love Italy. We just don't identify with it. But there is something more. We don't link our soul to our nation. Maybe you were joking, but also jokes has a line of truth. If anyone where to ask something like that as a soul searching question in Italy, he would be the joke of two generations. Still his sons at school would still get it:"And you know what your father once said... ? WaHaHaHaHa". And there is not this idealistic vision regarding Europe too. Yeah, we might have ways in which we like to procede, but there isn't this 'Europe is the greatest' belief. Belief that is as much present in the liberal as in the conservative from what I see in the USA. Ok more in the conservative, but slightly. And then there is this attitude of no one else exists. And sorry if I keep going back to your question but, I believe, it is foundamental. Was your question worded to consider people not fromt he USA. Something like: and what you Eurpean, you Australian, you Middle Eastern people think about how this nation is acting in the world. And this is why it would also feel strange if a European where to ask something like this in an international forum like this. He would surely have worder the question to consider people from other nations. From other backgrounds. And this is probably the biggest single fault that I see in American people. This attitude that ignores the existance of the rest of the world. I know you are aware of the rest of the world, but if in somthing as simple as writing a message in a forum, you forget us, what is this saying? After september 11 the article that I felt was better describing my emotions was They can't see why they are hated. (Which I invite you to read). Many things have changed, ad many American are more aware than they where 5 years ago. But the general attitude is still there, and I feel that attitude is at the core of what is happening, and has happened. Because nations seem always to get the worse government that can get away with respect to the people. And if the American people simply ignore what is the goverment doing abroad, then the government knows it can get away with many crimes. None of us agrees with the ways that Bin Laden used. But if you read his speach you realise how the root of his crime (and it was a crime!) was in previous crimes committed by the Usa. You know, in my view, why was America great, and why it isn't anymore, and also why was Hitler doom to fall, and what can you do right now. Because there is a single underlying thing which links all those together. It's called immigration and emigration. When I was a kid, America was the dream. The generation of my parents, the baby boomers, were grown up during the years of the Marshal plan. My father went to the US for 1 year when he was 16 and this gave him an extra strength in work. Knowing English well, having a view which was not limited to Italy (Europe was nothing at the time). Few people of his generation did it. But many many went abroad. How many American have a passport? How many European have been out of Europe? More. But now people are not going to the US anymore (and I lost the article describing this). Thirty years ago people would go to the US and study there. Make a master there. Sometimes a PhD. All this was a richness for the US. Now people come to Europe, go to Australia, China. I was once offered to study with one of the big guys in my field. I declined: I would have to go live in California. I don't consider my rights as a human being secure enough over there. I would feel more secure in Cuba, at least I am politically left. It's more unprobable that I would disappear. The Lord of the Rings was not shot in the US, it was shot in New Zeland. Increasingly big projects are not happening in the US. Which brings us to Hitler. Beside the invasion, the single reason why Hitler was doomed to fall, was (apart being a vegetarian, sorry I couldn't stop myself), because he made Germany a place so unpleasent to live that all the creative people, all the scientist, left. Fermi, Maiorana, Einstein, where all from Germany-Italy, and nations that were controlled by Hitler-Mussolini. But when Hitler rose the intelligentzia left. And they made the bomb somwhere else. They met all in Los Alamos, in the T-department. All together working on the bomb. But, it is not just the US right now. Also Italy. Consider this, I was educated in Italy, and now I am working in Germany. I will soon move to Dublin. The possibilities to become a professor in Italy are slim (too much political games), but I get invited here and there. Apart the problem of not finding a gf who is willing to relocate every 3 years, I am actually contributing to everybody else richness. My work is giving papers, projects, work, patents to other nations. Not to Italy. And Italy spent a huge amount of money in educating me. Think about this: There are more papers from Italian researchers aborad than from Italian researchers in Italy. Think how bad must research in Italy be. What should at this point Italy do? Russia and China faced with the same problem did not permit to people who are in their working years to leave. That is the last resort. And you are even protesting for immigration (as it is Italy). That's such a joke! I know there are different kind of immigrations, but the US became big because of all immigration, it had. So what you should do? Vote with your feet. Leave. Go abroad. Travel, and relocate. And then you will not be supporting the US anymore. You will not share the Karma. Stop identifying with your nation and identify with your planet or with the whole of humanity. Where can you be to better help humanity? And when you are physically in a nation you are supporting it.

I don't know. It was told me by a women practitioner who came in Wengen while I was there. Interestingly I have done it a few times in front of other people and more than one time other practitioners said:"oh you know that too. Yes, that is a nice trick". And no, I don't do this practice as much as I should. But essentially from when I started using unpasorized dairies I felt a much lower necessity to clean my teeth. I then found a message from AV saying that he uses unpastourized cream for his teeth.

You can use sunflower oil to clean your teeth from bacteria. Just take some and keep moving it in your mouth, like you were doing some washing. For 15-20 minutes. After that you will feel like something from your stomach is coming up. Like some sick air. At that point spit the oil. But the oil at that point will be full of bacteria so spit it away, not in a wash basin.

Hello Sean, Although I understand what you mean here. I would like to add that one of the things that is coming up with Bruce is how this 'shielding' from the parents, is one of the main causes to some of the biggest problems that people face in the meditation path. It tend to create some sort of gaps (the technical term used is 'fog') that makes it really hard for a person to progress. Of course in some situation that is better than the alternative, but it really shows, IMO, how importnat is it to solve as much as possible of your own stuff before having kids. But Fog is not created also by that. There are plenty of reason why fog is created. But I cannot speak about it because it is an issue which is absolutley in the future for me. P.S. thanks for having tried to make my post a bit nicer. I don't know if it is the raw food or the dissolving, but I find myself getting more and more direct as time goes by. Seeing how direct Bruce is it might very well be the dissolving! Pietro

Hmm. I might take of my 5 juicer, which is now a little army, and charge! But however it goes please don't do like last time. Yes. I agree with Sean that is a nice place to be. I am not sure though that that is the direction I am going myself. Of all the fathers and father figures I met in my life, the ones that where really helpful where taking their job as a father seriously. Not without playing, and not using seriousity to avoid, for example, to play or to put in discussion themselves. But there was a method in their madnes. Although sometimes you had to ask to realise it. On the other extreme where men who pretty much gave the responsability to raise the kids to the mother, and only enjoyed them on weekend. And those where, unfortunately, the most common. Beside teaching by example requires to be present. Which in modern world is not always possible. Yes, thanks for answering. TG was always very good because of the diversity of all the instructors. And Chia was generally good for the vibes that you get. Last time I saw him, in Wengen, he was using power points slide to explain meditations. Something like that can easily turn into a boring lecture. But Trip sees him fairly regularly and might be able to tell if his lessons are often like that or no. Pietro

Thank you very much freeform for having taken up the challenge. Your post is a mine of info and it will take me some time to go through all of it. Btw, is your dissertation available? I personally don't think wuji qigung can be anything but the last practice. Mainly because once you do it you haven't got a clue who what is coming up. You do it and suddenly you realise all that you are doing is now old and life is waiting for you in TogaToga. For this I think it can only be shared when a person is legally able to go anywhere. As well as, any practice that you think they should have probably should be shared before. I like your idea of letting a person feel how a food feels like and the changes it does. It might even be experimental with everybody eating in different ways for a period. Now we all go vegan! Now we all go raw meat! I like to play! I am not sure about the sexuality stage (only by example), but I have no clue for now of anything better. Again thanks for the long response. Pietro

Interesting. Have you tried sunflower oil for the teeth? Also, are you vegetarian? When you when 100% raw did this included some raw meat at well? Many thanks, Pietro

I am into academic research. bioinformatics. mathemathical models of biological systems Pay attention about the real estate. There is quite an agreement that right now there is a big bubble and can explode. Probably it will not explode until the the baby boomers will start to die en masse. But war or financial changes might cause it to explode sooner. Also there seem to be an excess of estate agents right now: In the uk for example they have so many estate agents... In some places there seem to be more estate agents than pubs. But Yoda for sure can tell you more.

Oh, ok. I did not want to offend you Yoda. Pietro Marina. Yes I remember her, and the baby twirling. And I loved the idea of the water birth (but not at 0 degrees, brrr.). Thanks for mentioning it, as I seemed to have forgotten it. What happened at Tao Garden, btw? I went there a few times, and every time was different. Mainly depending on who was there and what was the vibe of Mantak Chia. Pietro

AV is strong against salt. And often if you consume unpastorised milk/cream/butter it will clean the teeth or at least you sill not feel that much the need to clean them afterwords. I use sunflower oil to clean mine, and the Pitchford formula to remineralise them. BTW also what you get from a juicer changes a lot depending on how much you spend and how much time. The best is the greenstar. that does not work by spinning but by grinding. I have something similar. The point is that you don't want to mix with oxygen or you oxydise the food. Like when you leave an apple cut open for half an hour. I don't use the grinding juicer. It takes too long. So if you need to store your juicers, mix honey and use the greenstar, and maybe do it once every 3 days. But it takes ages to do the celery. I also have a couple of other juicers (ok other 4, but 2 are in Italy), and the one that I use daily is professional, spins and can take whole apples and whole juice plants. It is not good for the food but I drink it immediatly so it shouldn't be that bad.

Sorry I should have said how would you act if you were not to raise them in a village/tribe but in a city in a western society. I justhad this image of the older brother beating up the younger brother. The father: NO UNNECESSARY VIOLENCE! The older brother: But this was necessary, I wanted (back the/his) cookie. Father: Oh, ok then. This story is really nice, and it seem very similar on how I would like to rear my kids. Still I believe there are some tools that it is my responsability to teach them. Just to be able to handle whatever life throws at them. Btw, spitting is very interesting. In a sense is the only form of attack that a kid can do that really bothers an adult. I remember a mother that gave to her kid spitting permission. If bothered by adults (visualise the old aunt who grabs the kids cheek and shakes it while showting: how cute are you!) they could spit at him/her. When the adult would protest with the mother she would take the kids part. It is interesting the idea to give to the kids a form of undangerous yet effective weapon like this. Maybe. But kids are also racist, love what is similar to them. Are afraid aggressive toward those who are dissimilar. You might have counterexample, but in general a kid who has any serious difference (a friend of mine had no hair, for example) will have a hard time. It probably depends a lot on the subtle believes of the parents. Interesting. It is a few years that my body is sending me the signal that it is ready to father. Should I look for a women just to have kids? I don't think so. Interesting also the part about the kids needing to sleep with their parents for 3 years. It makes sense. When I was a kid the older generation practically brain washed my mother that it was dangerouse for me to sleep in their bed. (she did it one time, felt GREAT, and was then heavily chastised by all the older generation).I know it wounded her, but I can't tell for me. Book added to amazon wish list.

I fully agree that playfulness is extremly important. But discipline is IMO important as well. There is no path in life where you don't need it in your set of tools. I was taught discipline the wrong way, and it made a lot of damage. I was tought to just close my teeth and go forward. Now I would teach a discipline based on the 70% rule. Which would let discipline raise naturally. ANd I think that curiosity and passion for the world is more relevant than discipline to become a president or a brain surgeon. Discipline is needed for everything. But without passion and curiosity you will not develop the interest that leads you to follow some extreme lines of study.

Yes. if you look at how kids are raised in traditional society, from hunter gatherer society, to traditional villages, one thing that they have in common is that they all give much importance to passing the values of society to the next generation. In case of native american those values where also the ability to be an individual person, and think for yourself. The agreement seem to be that while a girl becomes a women naturally by becoming old, a boy does not become a man if some teachings are not given. And the more I go on the more I feel this being true. There are some psychological books around which stress this out, too. I do agree that the ability to keep an open mind with a scientific form of enquiry going on in dealing with reality is important. the way in which things are presented is often so impotant to make the concept of voluntary/coercitive an ill posed duality Interesting, and I probably agree with you, if I could understand what you meant. What are :Physical education classes" and how do they "drain peoples essence"? And I do agree that this mind/physical division is not doing any good! Ok, so you are teaching them breathing, meditation, massage, movement and nutrition. That's quite something! How can you decide if someone can handle the stress before he is subject to it? And what can you do after you have explained all that and they are in great stress? tell them it was all false? My father, teached me to consider everybody as human beings, and in this way I pretty much managed never to demonize anybody. I think I would teach that too.

so, here you go, this is a teaching! How will make this emphasis? What will you explain to the obvious questions about whatyou do? me too! If they are raised in a village would your education change at all? Many people told me that there is a certain age in which kids push to feel the limit. To see how far can they go. And I know of at least one adult I met had problems as an adult because he had no imposed limits. This harmed him, as it did not help him to build his own discipline and sense of security. Said that there are some good schools around, if you have to. FOr example check this out: http://www.sands-school.co.uk/abouttheschool.htm and those: http://www.sudbury-hl.de/base/sudbury/initiativen/index.php yep, I am with you on this! Pietro

Interesting. So there is no set ot tecniques, very basic, that you would consider fundamental to go around in life. But what about all the indirect teaching. All the teaching that comes simply by being with you. What do you answer a kid who asks you why do you do something. What diet are your kids in: sweets? Or what about values. A friend in Israel, practitioner, has now two male kids. She told me how she made a certain number of differences respect the way she herself was raised. But she said that the simple thing that made the biggest difference was not to say: "you are being bad" but to say "doing something bad". One time I asked a fellow Go player if his daughter wanted to learn Go. He loked me as if my naivete was simply amusing. And then explained me that by the way in which he presents things his daughter prefered one thing or another. He passes a lot of time with his two daughters, and they simply adore him. What he said seemed very manipulative, but my understanding is that is simply unavidable. What kids ask seriously depend on how you present them things. What you chose to tell and what not to stress. Do you not teach them to wash their teeth, or not to, but what to do instead, and why? Think about a person who practices inner dissolving. I said how inner dissolving helps you in moment of shock (you come from buddhism, I am sure there is something similar in buddhism). Will you not tell it? Just by the fact of how you tell it and when you tell it, will not this deeply impress your kids. If you simply tell the truth to your kids, surely this involves some very serious reasons why you practice. When I was a kid, facing a rational problem, my father use to say: "this is a problem that an intelligent person would be able to solve. You are intelligent so solve it." And would not give up on the problem until I solved it. Somehow this tought me how to think. Last month I asked him if he could finally get the cd of a particular singer that he said he nominally gave me for my birthday, 6 months before. He lamented that their website was a mess. I answered: "Finding this information is a problem that a good journalist would be able to solve, you have been a journalist for more 40 years, so find it." When I arrived in Rome the CD where there. Some months ago someone killed someone else in Italy. The killer was maybe 30, so way into adulthood. The father of the assassin was interviewed, and he said how he felt on him the responsability for not having taught to his son discernment. Would you not feel responsability if your children once they become physically mature do something stupid? SO, sorry Yoda. I think yours is a superficial answer. I thinks there is plenty of teaching that comes simply by being with you, and how you present things, and how deep do you chose to go with things, and even in a yin way suggest them to look at issues. I mean, you said that you felt you should have learned about raw food when you where in fifth grade. Shouldn't your kids have the same luck? When a gf I had who never had much money from her family refused to buy a scooter, which she could barely afford, but would have helped her in finding a job in Rome, my father simply asked: "do you see the feedback?". That was all. Pietro Hey Matt, great icon. I am always expecting. I simply need to solve a couple of technicl problems with male parthenogenesis . And always on the back of my mind there is this idea of funding a taoist village somwhere.

Some years ago I went to a workshop and there was a kid. He was around 13 but with a maturity that was so extreme to seem an adult in kids clothes. He was so mature that he would speak as an adult to adults, and just could not mix with kids of his age. Later during the workshop, in the third or fourth day we had a poetry night, and many person read their own poetry. He read some poetries, one of them explaining how he realised how he is never going to have friends of his own age. This kid have been practicing HT practices all his life. Practices like fusion really changed him. My assumption is that it is not really possible not to teach at all. The diet, the way you behave, the strange things you do. All pass, and kids love to imitate. So I think it is better to tech some things in the right context, at the right age, and explain that some things are only for people who are of a certain age or have made certain choises in life. Pretty much any technique that I would teach in the first case (family in a normal society) I would teach in the second case (tao village, tv) But in the second case I would teach some extra things. So, in the first case, let's first see the listof techniques/things/concepts vaguely ordered by when would they be shared. raw food diet breathing, go sitting ability to name your emotions and express them standing on one leg some form of creative expression or art standing inner dissolving ability to find your ethical compass (what is right for you) I would make sure that the microcosmic is open although I might not teach anything related to it. I would probably make a small ritual when he is 18 in which I teach him the primordial qi gung. This I would keep secret until that day, and after the ritual I would consider him an adult. I would instead not teach any of the following sounds, inner alchemy, reverse breathing or complete breathing, tai ji, or any other martial art (but of course if he wanted to learn a martial art I would be happy). I wouldn't even teach sexual practices, although I might have a frank discussion about it. (telling what???) And probably not even asked would I teach the kan and li (apart the fact because I don't practice it, also because it is an immortal practice, so not fit to make a person mature but to make a person immortal). Now speaking about how would those things be teached. The raw food is pretty much impossible to miss. In a family where everybody eats raw food you eat raw food, but then you need to explain why. I would not force him not to eat other things (McDonald), also because raw food being so good makes McDonald much less dangerous (the liver is in less need of fat, thus picks up less poison from McDonald). Breathing: I don't understand, I mean we were all deep breather, and then most of us lost that and then there is so much work to get it again. This is one thing that I would try to make sure he would never loose, if it is possible. I think it is just basic health. Go: My father teached me chess. And I played with him for years. By playing I also learned to think, and had fun, and enjoyed it a lot. I would really play Go with my son. Chess is for wimps! Sitting: here we enter into some form of meditation, and I know that a lot of people think that you should never teach meditation to kids. But is it really so? When I was 23 I was sharing the room with my brother. He was 7 and often in the evening I would sit on the floor, until my breath would drop and the day was digested. Then I would go to bed. Soon he started sitting with me. I didn't each him anything, nor did I force him to do anything. I would have had to force him NOT to sit with me. I am sure if I had kept on living with him he would now have a natural ability to sit and center himself more. I think this is a good way of learning it, can't really go bad. ability to name your emotions and express them: and here we go to the first painful stop. Because this really requires some teaching. In traditional society it was done through the initiation. In a modern society I don't think I would be able to organise a proper initation, but I do consider this abilty to be a sine qua non for being a mature member of society. Age to learn it: sometime between 11-14. Ways to learn it:some explenations and help in recognising some emotions. Also keeping the ability to recognise, express emotions high on the values list. Standing on one leg: Gives psychological balance.Important as a persons hormone awakens. Age 12-14. For boys in particular. some form of creative expression or art: every school has it by now. standing: Another paiful spot. Because this is not something that kids naturally learn. But there are kids of age 16 that you can feel they are fully un-integrated. Especially for children who totally lack an internal integration some standing would be necessary. If we do it together in the morning it would not be impossible. If a person already is very integrated then less is necessary. In any case the teaching of the tool should be given. It is too important to have it as you go through life. Age 15-16. inner dissolving: Without inner dissolving (or something equivalent, like vipassana) a person does not have the tools to deal with the wounds of childhood. As such cannot really mature, and take his place in society in a mature way. This means that a person might then harm other people because he himself is not an adult psychologically. And if I lacked as a parent to let my kid reach that level of maturity I would feel on me the responsability of it. Thus internal dissolving HAVE to be tought. Not to become an enlightened, but to cope with everyday wounds/problems. Also internal dissolving is the best tool to have in case of SHOCK. And in this lifetime we are pretty much sure to encounter SHOCK at some point or another. I do not consider someone to be safe from what life can throw him if he does not have this tool. No inner dissolving, and you get raped/beaten/tortured, you can get mad. With inner dissolving... it is rough, but you can recover. It then really depends on you. ability to find your ethical compass (what is right for you): this would be pretty much by speaking at every age, in different forms, although I know it is not possible to plan this sort of things before. But the kind of question we have come up before (what would you do if you where inthis situation), with the element that the answer must not contain a reference, would be part of my education from the beginning. Just the question would get more complex. For the Primordial Qi Gung, I would keep the secret, then I would teach it for the birthday in which he becomes adult. After that I would REALLY consider him an adult, without all this bullshit of, 'yes you are 18 but nothing really changes'. I will think about the Taoist Village and write a second post later.

nonononono. I reached a plateau and pretty much remained there. The body got progressively better, which is why now I could jump to 100 while before I couldn't. But essentially I found my diet and which was simple and kept with that. You see I never liked eating. My father just one month ago told me that he sees this as one of his responsability as he never insisted that I was fed a variety of food when I was a kid. It was pretty much the same foods all the time. But interesting if you look at traditional societies they don't have this crazy variety of food too... so... In any case my general diet was raw beef chopped in pieces, (5 days a week) butter and honey, mixed (between 2 days a week to every day) milk (2 days a week) celery juice (mainly to balance the beef) apple in the celery or alone (mainly to balance the milk) breadsticks. (ok, this was really out of the diet I was supposed to do, but it tasted so good) some rosinen bread. This was generally my base, and to this I would add other things, mainly according to what society would require me. A pizza outside when in Italy, some beer when in England, and so on. Pretty much considering that raw food was good enough that I did not have to keep it 100%. And if I could chose where we were going to go to eat out I would invariably suggest sushi, which yes meant to take rice too. It's ok, no big deal. But in the last months I got problems at the teeth, so I went back to my teeth formula and made my diet much stricter. It is also 4 days that I don't drink water but since I have 2 liters of mineralising tea for the teeth, and milk it is really like I was drinking quite a lot. In any case in PD you are not supposed to drink water no take any salt too. Also I was not able to digest banana some time ago, while it is 3 days that I am absolutely taking them. BTW, my collegue said that his friend cannot recall where did he heard about that crazy blender. Also I looked at the blender suggested by Keith, but it is only 900 watts. That's not even near the power that Dr Wu suggests (1500-2200 watts). Are you guys sure that it does the job? Pietro

I think is 4 years this april. But never 100%. Every time I went 100 % my hormones went up and down. So I always added a bit of white bread chewing gum and it absorbed the excessive horniness-hormones. Now it is 3 days that I have been 100%, because as I said I was going through some heavy detox. And I am amazing by how differently by body is responding. I am not going nuts or berseker anymore. I mean, look at the post I authored at HT this weekend. The image of balance and harmony! My collegue at the office here (yes he is starting to get used to me, he just moan slightly), said that a friend of his told him a bout a blender where you can put a whole egg and not feel the bits of the egg shell after it. Said that AV suggests against mixing eggs, as the loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooootgctagtcctgtctaaacgttoooooooooooooooong protein chain get chopped. But I'll find out what the brand of that mixer is and I'll get back.

Not sure about what the threashold is, but: get the number of watts and multiply it by 0.001340 and that is the number of horsepower your mixer has. They are speaking about 2 and 3 horsepower machines. Thats 1492 to 2238 watts. It sounds like a date more than a proper value for a hosehold appliance. I might end up connecting it to the engine of my campervan. Very costly. Maybe I can convince Trip to buy it and then use the same amount of money for a trip to Zurich! That would be more fun!

Very interesting. I just read the page. Amazing I have missed it in all those years of raw food diet! I also read the phytochemical page in wikipedia. Now when an alternative medicine makes it in wikipedia must be REALLY big. And this seem to be the case. So what is the MUST have book(s) that I should buy about it? Pietro

And freeform consider yourself quoted as well. Ferry interesting. Ferry interesting. I do totally agree that most of the skill we are learning feel like we should have known them from when we where kids. But do you remember how was society when we where kids? That's the 70's for me. Nothing of all this was known. Maybe the topic for another thread... About blending: ok, interesting, but it seem like you need to have a huge initial capital to even try it. You speak about fiber, but fiber is good only if you are not into raw meat, if not is not that good anymore. And yet in the PD community blenders are used often too. Speaking about spikes of energy. I don't get my energy from juicing. I get it from buttern and honey. The idea is generally that you should mix fat with sugar to make fat enter slowly in the bloodstream. Do you put far in your bleners as well? What? How much?

Tell me. Here everybody speaks about 2 or 3 horsepower machine, as if they where peanuts. I have a 0.46 horsepower machine at home.

Why blending? I am being serious. I cannot understand this whole thing about blending. And I own the second book from AV, the recepies for living..., and sure all of them require a blender... I still don't get it. I mean: the reason why I juice celery is because if I don't juice it I get all the fiber, and then my bacteria gets upset (actually gone) and then I don't digest meat. Ok, so juicing is important. You don't juice, you don't eat raw meat. Fair enough. But why blending? Does it taste better? Maybe it is that I have no pleasure for the taste for food, so for me simple foods fast to prepare (cut the meat- eat it), are the best. But probably I am missing something. Can someone explain me? Thanks, Pietro

Hi Keith, Starting from the roots that are referenced by everybody. My suggestion is, start your enquiry there. Absolutely Edward Howell (two books are available), and Stefansson (what you can find but there are also articles online). http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm (I bet you didn't expect a link to biblelife from me, eh!) I also copied some info about the discoveries of E.H. in the wiki in my personal wiki. Scroll down. http://wiki.pietrosperoni.it/enzymes Another classical of nutrition, referenced by many raw food books is: Weston A Price: Nutrition and Physical degeneration. And the Pottinger experiment is interesting to. Those represents the root. Other books tend to derive from them. Then we got about milk: "the untold story of milk" and "the milk of human kindness". Most of those books are available from the priceandpottinger foundation (not to be confused with the weston a price foundation) http://www.price-pottenger.org/ The doctor who wrote the milk of human kindness wrote also a document for the traial that was deciding if raw milk was going to be sold in California. Aajonus was on first line too. http://www.karlloren.com/aajonus/p15.htm Vonderplanitz also produced another book and there are tapes of the question people asked him, and interviews, and so on. I never tried them, but I think they are more specific on particular problems. I gathered from his site (http://www.wewant2live.com/) it is possible to have a search form that goes and search inside those documents. But it costs, only lasts one year, so I never tried. Also give a look at the links in my delicious: http://del.icio.us/pietrosperoni/diet http://del.icio.us/pietrosperoni/rawfood Happy reading

Now that's a great gem! You know your posts contain quite some insight sometimes. I dunno why, but I expect that if the captain were to say 'I dont want to get to Africa' I would expect him to reach it as soon as he get slightly distracted. Especially if the boat is governed directly by the mind. P.