Pietro

I find myself very in tune with Spyrelx pv on this. Connecting with another human being is seriosuly hard. The cultural meme is that men want to fuck and women want a relationship. Well, I find more and more that man are seriously into looking for moommy. Or at least for a serious relationship that would provide them with all they need and they can get sucking their thumb in the womb. Often women feel this so they refuse casual sex even when they would want it. Add to this that biologically their body seem to corner them into serious horniness less, and you have the base for the unbalance that you find in today social economy of sex. On the other hand a man who finds a woman that is in love with him will often first fuck her and then let her go. Some people would say that men are more assholes because of this. Others (and I am among them) that men are more generous. And others just that men know that they don't know when will they have another easy laid. I agree with you that there are some woman that shouldn't be fucked (by a certain person). But I would not draw the line on the cultural religious path that a person is following. There is something else. Since I don't know its name I call it "chemistry". There is no path to "chemistry" either is there or is not there. Years ago I thought that "chemistry" was not important. Now I see it as fundamental. Before I would be looking for woman who were seriously beautiful. Now, although I don't despise beauty I am not moved by it at all. If there is no "chemistry" beauty is useless, and, frankly, quite boring. I would be looking for women who were spiritully similar to me, now I see similarity as uninteresting, and never a source for chemistry. For chemistry feeds on differences. So if the woman you have interest for is also a Taoist, then Taoism is probably not where the "chemistry" is. And still you might find a woman who is very different to you in everything... and there is no chemistry at all. So it's a mystery and you are much better off following your guts ("yes", "no") feelings than rationalizing ("...not with her because she is no taoist"). And speaking about it all, I have started a blog in the blogs section and just in those days I am taking distance from a sweetheart.

I don't think this guy is complaining about the "absurdity of the human condition". People have lived for thousands of years in multiple cultures without induging in the excessive relativism that comes out of saying: "I experienced this for myself, and so it is true".

I found the following quote to be extremly interesting, and extremly good in synthesizing my feeling respect to the general new age mentality that I found in cheap spirituality. It originally comes from Faber, this quote being from p. 116 of New Age Thinking. But I found it in the Blog of Vyoma. A couple of years ago.

100 days is called the small achievement. The big achievement is 300.

Hello Sean, I tried to set up a blog. But I don't seem to be able to. The address: http://www.thetaobums.com/forum/index.php?...showblog&mid=15 redirects me to: http://www.thetaobums.com/forum/blog/pietro/index.php? which gives a 404. Have I done something wrong in the setting up process, or does it need the ok from an administrator? Gutten Danke, Pietro

Hello Sean, hello everybody. I would like to start again to post over here. Would it be possible? I left when a forum for the old school was not happening. Now the forum is a reality so there is no reason for me that keeps myself from posting here anymore. Yet people in this communiy might dislike me posting here. So I formally ask for permission. Regards, Pietro

When I started meditation my parents opposed it. Mainly it was my fault as I took the missionary attitude of wanting to change them. Later I stopped trying to change them, and they stopped trying to change me (for as much as parents can). It took many years before they realized that it was not just a passing 'phase'. Some years later my mother told me: "You know, I hate you, because you know how to meditate while I don't". That was an opening. Later a good buddhist meditation teacher who had been teaching history of buddhism at Rome university for a lifetime opened a small course to teach some basic meditations. I suggested her to attend, and now she practices vipassana meditation regularly. She also went back to her Christian roots, and sees Buddhism as a necessary prerequisite to understand Christian practices. For example in Rome there are quite some priests that are learning from Buddhists the meaning of the word 'contemplation'. Which is so often used in Christianity and so much misuderstood. My father had some pain at the base of the spine all his life. It was my fault. When I was 6, as we were descending some stairs I grabbed his hand with the aim of JUUMPING down. The fall was quite bad and from that time he had a subtle spine pain that never went completely away. Evenutally (more then 25 years later, amazing that it had any effect!) I tought him the spine stretch from BK and in a few months the pain was gone. Frome that moment he took my advises more seriously and he is now following Eric's book, the 100 days. Indeed for me it was true TTC line:

Thanks everybody for the warm welcome. Thanks Sean. I will remember that I am a guest, as my tao home on the web is and will remain TaoBum. Thanks 2Trees. You are so right, I haven't even had the time to update my blog lately. This is mainly due to me entering in the final year of my PhD. Also I avoid writing things if I don't feel they can help or if someone else has already said what I wanted to say. The result is that I am very silent indeed. Yes voice, I use to have a whole agenda for Sean, but at the time there was a misunderstanding on who did this website belong to. As soon as the misunderstanding was cleared out, as you will remember, I left to build the website we wanted to do from the beginning. Now I am here as a guest. Yoda, what? Sungazing here in Germany? More luck on Dagobert I would have. Hello Shieky, Bob. Sean, of course you are right. Keeping manners pays off in the long run. I remember BK speaking about the beast. I just happen not to trigger it in you (not that I actually tried to). But eventually you need to dissolve the beast, and you can only do that if you can contact it. And in that work people who can trigger your beast are an invaluable help, while people like me, who don't will just be part of the background. I probably might use some space for a blog. As I said I don't have much time to update, and it would be quite a boring one. "did standing. did standing. breathing. tai qi, internal dissolving. standing. breathing while standing...". Still I wanted one from quite some time. And last thing. If you need help in dealing with TaoBum you can ask me. I will only answer publicly to public questions and I might not know what will work, but I do have quite some experience to spot out immediatly what will definitely not work. That's already something. Thanks again to everybody, and now... let's get on with the dance. Pietro

Thanks, but no thanks. I think finally Sean wrote honestly and truthfully and completely in his last post. There was a big misunderstanding on what this site was going to be. Now it has been rectified. But the dream of the Tao Bums does not end here. We are starting a new website, and the only thing I can tell you is that it will be Taoist in nature, and the control will not be in the hands of only one person. I feel this experience has teached us all much, and we will use this underastanding to further our website. At the moment people are starting to mail me, if you want to be informed in this critical moment, when we are choosing the important bits and pieces, and making the first critical decisions please mail me at my gmail account (the address is available from my website) Have a nice practice, Pietro

Sorry, no. We are not here to demand justice, but to set things straight. Justice is what would in case happen next. This forum started as our dream, not the personal dream of Sean. And I cannot see me, for once, contributing to his personal website.

Dear Plato, dear friends, I think your buddy Max has correctly answered you here. We would be having a board with RJ as the legal name giver (so no one can protest about the contents). Max probably as general secretary (because a group of dragons have always the most humble as their leader), Plato giving him a hand on the spot and maybe physically hosting the site. Me and all the other as code monkeys if we are needed. And always under the consensus of the community. It would be a slow process, but time is not important. Life is important. And it would be an organic process. And it would be Taoist Which honesty? Honesty in laying when he said he was buying the name for us? Finally now, in yesterdays post, Sean was honest, but think: A thief that says: "I have stolen" cannot be rewarded for that, beside honesty is its own reward. A thief that says: "I have stolen" would first be asked to give back what he has taken, and then a decision would be make about how the thief stands respect to society. Never ever, has someone who has stolen something, and has admitted it, has been rewarded with keeping what he has stolen for his late honesty. Sean has acted out of his fear. He could have taken responsability for his fear, transformed it through his practices, and let the site grow organically. Instead he acted it out, and controlled us, while being controlled by it. I can see he did a lot of work on this site, but as long as he owns the site, the host and the name he was just doing work for himself. Sean cannot remain where he is now. Or the site would still be his site. And I gather I am not the only one who cares for this being OUR project, our site, of which we are fully responsible. And not just Sean site. Sean project. Sean responsability. And as a last point: I don't see the issue of security being that important at all. Practices are important. Life is important. Time is not important. Posts are not important. If we are to lose all our entries because of a hacker, but we are to live free, how lightly would I give up the old posts! And which Taoist would ever give up his freedom and self responsability for security? Pietro

Dear Sean, I feel that with this post you are speaking from a point of honesty, and respect for the truth, that should get acknowleged. I have been in my life in a number of situation were people might have decided that not working together was ultimately better and more proficient, but it really makes a difference if this is realised under a point of view of clarity, or under one of rage, and regrets, or misunderstanding. I feel you have been really honest in explaining your side of the story on how things became as they became. I don't personally remember you jumping in, but I don't even remember myself writing a post in the HT board speaking about setting out a new board. But, I do remember, and very well, how hard it was to get to the attention of James or Michael things on the board... and I personally know them both! A random mail from someone unknown would have for sure been left unanswered. Yet, I still would like to explain that I never ever required you to work for me. That never even crossed my mind. Nor did I had any idea about work you actually did following my requests. And this is because the spirit with which I approached this whole issue was totally different. My spirit was: "Ok, we are unhappy with the HT, we will all together make a new, better place. We will discuss things together, and being a bunch of geeks we will code them. We all are able to code (exception made for Trip), so, we have our site and we will just pass the ball to whoever have the time to make the coding that we all decided we would need. You see, you did not know us, but we know us. Do you know how many times have I said to Plato that he is a useless queer that keeps on masturbating instead of practicing. Not much lately because he has started practicing and I have started masturbating, but believe me, tons. Really tons. And we know who have been around in the last 5 years. Who we trust. Who is practicing. Who is really there. In short who is really part of the community and who is a visitor. Of course people without a strong history of taoism, in short people that we might not be sure what they might want to do, would not have access to change the code directly. So, here is the point. The only real point. What we were building was our site. We had momentum. We had inertia. We had passion. We had ideas. That was the perfect moment to start a new site. And then there was you... and you had your ideas. Which is ok. It really is. Provided they are shared. And on an equalitarian basis. So we all can discuss them. And this is where things started to go wrong. When Plato and Max wanted to buy the site, and divide the various proprietors (I hope it's spelled like this) among us, so that no one would be in the same position of James. And you: And you really think that the reason I am angry is because of on type of blogs or another? You see, I like this new system. I think is great. Sure I would twik it here and there, but on the overall I think it is a great progress. But this is not the point. It is the executive decision that cut through a community of individuals that has formed through 5 years of continuous interaction and that has maturated up to the point of deciding to take destiny in their own hand and shape their reactions. Because such executive decision had no respect for our desire for autogoverning ourselves. And somehow abused of the natural trust we gave you when you presented us with the 'here. All done situation.'. When this happened, I now know that, you were aware that you were not following the conclusions the community was naturally, organically and slowly reaching. And this is not ok either. At this point it was a hard position for me. What about all the cool ideas I had about this site. Who will implement them. I started saying them. Honestly, at that time you should have said: well, you know, I did buy the site, but I am not going to work for you (fine!) nor will I permit anyone else to touch the site because now this is my site. And although some of you guys might seem to be in friendly relationship, I really don't trust any of you enough (and this is deeply not fine). Of course you could not say something like that. So instead you tried to code them as fast as possible. Sometimes even before there was a healthy discussion. Have you asked yourself, for example, why no one was using the wiki? Was it because none was interested, or because, being it presented as a gift for me no one else felt part of it. Sometimes a healthy discussion is also good to let people feel coresponsible for something. But of course I could not say you that. How ungrateful, you gave me a gift, and instead I asked for the discussion. Have you ever seen a caterpillar in the process of becoming a butterfly? Are you aware that if you free the butterfly before its time it will never fly. Somehow the process of building its momentum in every step is necessary for the next step to take place. And all this brings us to the abroupt opening that I had at some point: "If this is your web site and not our web site I am leaving". I hope now it is becoming clear where I am standing, and how did I got here. I didn't just want you to code things for me. In fact I did not want to code one line for me. And I think I can even challenge you to find an occasion where I might have said: "If you don't code this I am off" Now things have changed. The momentum is not there anymore. The need for an extra web site is not there, and many of the ideas have been implemented here. You have surely won this website. But don't say around that I left because you would not code for me what I wanted. In particular I really don't feel that I fit in your description: Best regards, in clarity, Pietro

My dear friends I got up this morning, and I realised the time was full for greetings. Everything changes, some changes are faster and more unexpected than others. And some times a man finds the time has come to walk his talk. So I'm off. I decided it is not worth keep on trying to move this site in a more communal direction. It is not so, and it will not be so. And as always is in those cases, it could not have been clear to all from the beginning, or the site would not have grown to its present size. It's an old patter. Policies need to change, assumption need to be clarified, and everybody to discover who their administrator actually is (as opposed to who they believed it was). And Sean Omlor is a good administrator. Good in Php, willing to learn what he ignores, with lot's of constructive ability and plenty of time to devote to the site. I wish I was half that good. He is also the kind of person who keeps a definive hand on the reins, which is not that bad. Sometimes. Yet's it's just not my style. There is something that I have a problem in feeling completely confortable with. Something on the way in which decisions need to be adressed for his approval. And more than that, because it is on a whole other level the way in which he does not stick to his own word, but to what he realizes being his idea before he gave his word, well, all this feels to me like nails over a blackboard. I still have no doubt that he will always do what he think it is the best for the site. But how much can a human being alone know, and why would other help, if they will be inferriors? And that's where his point of view and mine diverge. He obviously thinks that an administrator that changes his word is the best for his site. I don't. So the system administrator might change his word, but I will not change mine: I'm off. I wish I could say that I thought it would have been different, but, alas, the rapidity with which the first decisions were taken, were for me already a signature of the wrist that was driving the cart. I wish you all lots of luck Tao Bum Bum Pietro

How can I make a deal? Deal with whom? With someone who changes like the moon? Who says yes in the morning and no in the afternoon?

Of course it's too late!. That's the point of doing things first and discussing later. Personally I think the forum is ok. But there is no threaded view, after all it was only a minority who wanted it.

Bye Pietro. I haven't a clue what you are talking about in most of your farewell post here. But I genuinely hope that one day soon you find a place where your idealism intersects with reality. Not a problem, but please let me clarify point by point so you know what am I refering to: My dear friends I got up this morning, and I realised the time was full for greetings. Everything changes, some changes are faster and more unexpected than others. And some times a man finds the time has come to walk his talk. Here I am refering to the fact that not so long ago I said: if this is going to be your personal site I would be off. Strangely enough the thread where I said so was not copied. Can you magically wave hands and make it appear again. So I'm off. I decided it is not worth keep on trying to move this site in a more communal direction. Here I am refering to the fact that I have always seen this site as a common site, and not just your personal site. It started as such with Me and Max and Plato and Ron discussing. It is not so, and it will not be so. And as always is in those cases, it could not have been clear to all from the beginning, or the site would not have grown to its present size. This is important: When we started we had the idea of doing our site. Not your site. We discussed together. When I said, the voting should be so and so. you tested, and went: crap it does not do as you asked. You were so helpful. You didn't say I will do this site, and it will be my site, and I will decide what goes in (invasion board, ...) and what goes out (wiki,...). Because you know that if you were to say so not one person would have joined you. (exception made for Leszlie) So instead you presented it as you taking care for the community, following the guide of the community. It's an old patter. Policies need to change Many sites seem free, with a free policy. But often policies let the owner change it. Policies that let the site administrator do it, without any limit are equivalent of a scam, becuase are no policy at all. For example the GNU would never let you change the copyright or some code that has been released as GNU. , assumption need to be clarified, We assumed was our site. You clarified that. and everybody to discover who their administrator actually is (as opposed to who they believed it was). Nice to meet you Sean. And Sean Omlor is a good administrator. Now aI speak about you strictly from atachnical point of view: Good in Php, willing to learn what he ignores, with lot's of constructive ability and plenty of time to devote to the site. I wish I was half that good. He is also the kind of person who keeps a definive hand on the reins, which is not that bad. Sometimes. Yet's it's just not my style. Since it is not my style, and yet I recognise that technically you are ok, then what is the problem? There is something that I have a problem in feeling completely confortable with. first: Something on the way in which decisions need to be adressed for his approval. And more than that, because it is on a whole other level the way in which he does not stick to his own word, but to what he realizes being his idea before he gave his word, well, all this feels to me like nails over a blackboard. This is important. In the thread that I seem to have so much difficulty in finding you expressedly agreed: Dear Sean, I think this is a sort of basic way to say the community comes first, and even if you have a position of legal power you shouldn't use it unless it is absolutley legally necessary. And since evrything change, you should feel free also not to be bound to it. If you need to step down for a period, we should all take turns. Agreed Pietro. Funny how this particular thread didn't made it. As such we had your word that you were not going to decide above our head. But now you have changed, here: 6) WHY DO I HAVE TO PUT UP A CASE TO SAVE DA WIKKI? SHOULDNT IT JUST BE ENUFF TO KNOW THAT *ONE* TAOBUM LIKES IT? BUT THEN WAIT, WHY DO WE NEED MODDERATORS IN A TAO BUM FORUM? DIDNT WE LEAVE DA HT FORRUM BECAUSE IT GOT TOO MODERRATED? Not really. That is Pietro-speak. TaoBums isn't Pietro's socio-political experiment. It's also not really a democracy. It's just a forum I started to meet a need I saw. I want to make everyone happy. I do. But I am not the slave of every member here's whim. Sorry. No Sean, this is not Pietro Speak. I don't speak in caps lock. I have no need for that. That was Ron Jeremy. Who incidentally was agreeing with me. But you should read the author of a post. The problem is not about being a slave, but about offering a service. And if you don't feel like, letting other people do the work, and letting them have the 'gasp' password. So that it's not just your toy. I still have no doubt that he will always do what he think it is the best for the site. But how much can a human being alone know, and why would other help, if they will be inferriors? And that's where his point of view and mine diverge. He obviously thinks that an administrator that changes his word is the best for his site. I don't. So the system administrator might change his word, but I will not change mine: I'm off. I wish I could say that I thought it would have been different, but, alas, the rapidity with which the first decisions were taken, were for me already a signature of the wrist that was driving the cart. You might have been nice and kind in the beginning, but the way in which all the key elements: who buys the name, who puts on the site, who owns the site, who is legally responsible, were always taken by you very rapidly, which were to me a clear sign of the direction the site would have been going. Unfortunately at the time I could not blow the whistle without seeming so unfair. I wish you all lots of luck Tao Bum Bum As a bum to the Tao Bums I took the name Tao Bum Bum So, I hope I could clarify every line I wrote. P.S. Sorry for all the colors but this great new board would not let me make a 'quote'

So, how's your chinese? I was rereading chuang tzu, and read the first story of chapter 4. In that a student asks confucious about how he can go and help a neighboring kingdom. Confucious (who is often depicted as not very smart in this book, but here he is wise) answers that he has to: apply 'fasting'. In particular 'fasting of the mind'. He then gets into describing how this is done. Now I have two questions: The chinese ideogram used for 'mind' in the original text, is it the same term that have often been described as 'heart-mind'? This is quite relevant because many Taoist tradition speak about 'fasting of the heart' and would be interesting if this piece of litterature can be seen as a root to those practices. Few lines later he speaks about hearing with your 'primal breath' (Victor Mair translation): Is that what we know as "Yuan ch'i"? Thanks to all who can help (M. Banu for example). Pietro

Thanks to all who contributed to this discussion. I could not check the internet for some time. But before that I also sent a copy with the same question to an advanced student of Bruce (Alan Peatfield) who explained me that the word is indeed 'xin', which is heart-mind.

That's good. What it took ages for me to find out was a nice picture that showed where did the nerves enter in the spine from the end of the spine, and where did the energy went too. That is, if the nerves entered from the front of the spine or from the back, on the very tip) That is, when I was practicing alchemy

Actually strictly speaking you (and I ) got kicked out, not Plato. Beside a feel there is some healing going on, so you should let them clarify themselves

The great day have come, Word Press 1.5 is now the official release. Word Press is by far the best blog software around. It is open source, it has been defined web application of the year, and it has tons of plugins who let it easily adapt to our needs. It can be used by many users at the same time, and it can give to each user different categories. So we could have a blog for each of us, and then we could also see all the posts on sungazing from a certain user. We would also get an rss feed for all posts, for all the posts from one user. There are many many positive elements. installing it is 5 minutes, but it might take a bit to adapt it perfectly to our needs. The only negative problem I see is that from the forum we would not see anymore the new training logs post, unless we make a small hack (which I know how to easily do @ Sean) So I call for a poll TAO BUMS DO YOU WANT WORD PRESS AS YOUR BLOG SOFTWARE. Speak now or shut up forever.

Where is the list of each of these user's individual blogs? There isn't naturally any. Yet there is an easy way to make a list of all the authors on a lateral column, as I did (just after the cathegories). Such list does not include the administrator, which is why, right now there is only my name. Another way can be to insert a small javascript that using the rss feed (again!) echoes the title of the post. SO we would have a page of all the last entries. It can also be done as a set of javascripts, one for each author, and always giving only one post, and this would make a system similar to the ones you are refering too (although probably not so pretty) No, I'm not kidding. In fact I think the current setup works very well and I actually like it alot. I also prefer it over what I've seen of WordPress. The current setup is also not confusing at all. Each person has there own thread that is their blog. Simple. Anyone can join in on that thread and it creates some of the liveliest discussions here on Taobums. Discussions that would quite possibly not occur if the comments were buried. Oh, you can easily add something that shows the last comments made. This is irrelevant. The fact that You don't care means absolutely nothing. The only things that care is: is there is someone who cares, and someone who needs that feature. Even if it was only one person. In any case the system you are proposing does have rss feed, sorry. We'll see Pietro. 4 votes has me hardly convinced that radically altering the entire site layout and losing months of people's journal entries in the process is an "action of the community". Well, 4 votes, out of 5 who went to vote, seems not bad. I probably should have added an entry 'I don't care' (I actually did, but I pressed the wrong button as I was submitting). There would be no radical altering, nor any 'llosing months of journal entries". They would still be there, and anybody who wants could keep on using the old system. We just need to add a feature like the wiki that works parallel, and listed above near the forume/wiki/article. Said that, you have agreed not to use your power unless it was "absolutely legally necessary". And to take polls to decide if a decision you take was disapproved by someone. I am saying that in this issue that the decision is a major one, you should just take a poll. Would you rather implement your system, have me saying: "we should have discussed" and then go back and make a poll? Or would you then eat back your words, and say, well, now I have done the work so we don't come back. There are small changes and big changes. This is a big one, and any decision taken by a single person will automatically make someone unhappy, and thus require a poll. Just stick to what you said. Dear Sean, I am an active user of this community from 1998. I read the forum every day, and I am among the 10 most prolific users. When I have something to add to the discussion I do it. I also take care of the wiki, and with Ron and Yoda I work from time to time to store some of the information that is generated from this forum. Which eventually might be what permits to new user to know what's what. And yes, I also care for the forum, and discuss its organisation. I do it because I feel this as a community, and not as your personal site. When I raised the question time ago, many people have supported me, saying that the work that I was doing (being a picky asshole with you!) was actually quite important. How else would you like me to help you? :shrug:

Sure. I have a wp blog: http://blog.pietrosperoni.it I used it alone, yet I have not always been careful with what did I logged into as, so I have 3 posts sent as 'admin' and the rest as 'Pietro' You can see my admin posts here: http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/autore/admin and my Pietro posts here: http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/autore/pietro At the moment I have not set up the rss to differentiate between the two modes, still you can get the rss of my Pietro entry as: http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/autore/pietro/rss http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/autore/admin/rss unless you want the rss 2.0 which would be at http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/autore/admin/rss2 or atom or rdf (atom/rdf) We can set it up so that anybody can register, only registered user above a certain level can register other people. New people can blog, or new people cannot blog or new entries from new people have first to be accepted. Our system as a blog works? You must be kidding, there are no rss feeds, comments get confused with posts, no way to look at only the posts, and categories are simply impossible. All this makes REALLY painful to follow one user. Some of the people in that forum use wp: Look: http://www.e-sangha.com/journal/1/index.php And look at his source code. For the rest, the site you pointed to seem very good too, albeit REALLY slow, I hope is not the software. Post can only enter in one category (but each user can have his individual categories). I haven't seen any technorati tags, which also would make extremely easy to follow certain topic. I think we should carefully examine the pros and cons of both and try to reach consensus. If not just go for a vote. Please,wait to install the software that we have reached consensus with a final vote. This is an important step and is important for it to be an action of the community.

Yep, christians call that discernment. May I also add that in general Taoist have been known to do pretty much everything and to be confortable with the universe doing pretty much everything to them. As opposed to the moralistic position which stops you from doing 50% of the action, but then make you cry to heaven:"Why my God?", as soon as something happens to you that you would not have done to others.

My computer is Windows because I don't know how to switch, and being with an external drive it is not an easy task. If you come here and set it up for me, and then we go to Rome, I will let you meet my sister. But I give no assurance that she won't bite your balls off. Speaking about WP: It does not have to be Sean. There are plenty of people who can help, Max, Plato, you... I think that the great majority of people here can help, and this would be a nice place to start. Blogs are different from wiki, and most peaople are de fact using some threads as blog. Yet this is hardly confortable as it is hard to distinguish new posts from comments, etc. The more time passes the more material there will be stored in the forum which will slow down their movement on a real blog. Speaking about the wiki, I feel you are right, too few people are using it. But slowly it is working. The Chemtrail Page is there, as well as the sungazing page. It seems that pages that speak about practices done by few fanatics have more success than common practices where everybody seem to think, oh, weel, anybody else can do it. If you want a chat we can set it up, or add an irc chat. Actually we already have a similar thing as we can send each other messages, yet few people use it.