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hello, your situation sounds all to familiar to many people I have talked to who have followed the instruction of some authors to use EXTREMELY HARD pc muscle clenches. I have not done a pc clench in over 3 1/2 years, but since I followed mantak chia's instructions to the letter before this I have trained my pc to clench and spasm at random times. Still after over three years my pc muscle clenches uncontrollaby during sexual activity, and also many other daily activities that have nothing to do with sex. Yes dr. lin's method is much safer in my opinion i kind of discovered something very similar to it on my own before I found chia's stuff, but guess what, i thought chia's stuff was superior and dedicated myself to learn that and now i cant get lin's stuff to work after that. my advice is try KSMO if you cant prevent your pc muscles from contracting when you contract the tailbone. However there are threads on this site dedicated to troubleshooting the anal breathing yes streching helps tremendously, many of us have tension in this area so anything to relax it would be beneficial, its not normal, its a result of dedicated pc muscle excercises, although this will not happen to everybody if you have not seen it already trunk's site has some informative pages dedicated to similar issues http://www.alchemicaltaoism.com/

Do yourself a favor and stop any kind of muscle clenching excercise in the region especially the perineum. If you have any tension problems down there, tensing an already tense region is a formula for disaster. If you want to circulate your energy no muscle tensing is necessary. Avoid especially pc excercises, especially done very forcefully. My advice to you is to watch your actions and thoughts in everyday life especially when stronger emotions are present. A lot of people with tension in the lower pelvic region unconsciously load some of their stresses and anxieties in the form of subtle muscular clenching down there. This would be a first step. See what is causing your tension. analyze your views and attitudes on sex, when you become aroused notice what thoughts or feelings come up. Streaching, massage, sexual moderation, acupressure, and acupuncture all sound like great ideas to me you might want to also add some realxation techniques or meditations to get to the root of your tension as well. As for a type of chigung to practice I would go to someone who is really qualified to give you specific excercises for your condition (you say youve seen Jim Nance, sounds like a great place to start) This is coming from someone with who has serious pelvic issues

Hi all I was just wondering if anyone knows what practices the ayp deep meditation practice (which involves the mental repitition of a single mantra) should not be done with. I know this type of meditation supossibly has energetic effects which can interfere with certain other practices which involve clearing channels or moving chi around. Thanks

maybe a better question would be should I subsitute a samatha type meditation in place of the ayp deep meditation to practice with the chigung? Would there be less of a chance for energy interference this way??

actually i read the deep meditation book and the info on deep meditation on the site. Otherwise I would not be asking this question. In the book it does not throughly talk about possible contraindications with more energetic based practices. I have not read about the pranayama practices because im not interested in them at this time. I posted on their forum, I just wanted your inputs as well. From what I understand spinal breathing pranayama deals mainly with the back channels, while the chigung I do focuses on dan tien and the front ones, so yes there is a difference. Thank you all for your contributions

Ok so I have this problem where I am almost always aroused around my girlfriend. I masturbate like once every 1-2 weeks. Now this would not really be a problem if i didnt have prostate problems. What happens is when I see her and when i start touching her , even if its just holding hands i get hard or semi hard for usually a few hours straight (that is the amount of time i usually spend with her), then semen will leak into my urine, and I get really tired. Also I get blue balls and all sorts of pelvic pain. Its really annoying. I dont have any sexual relations with her. I have been this way with every girl i have ever been with since i got prostate problems (19) and I am 23 now. I also dont see her too often (like once a week). The thing is that i am not thinking about anything sexual when this happens at all, her body is not even very arousing to me. It is just an automatic response I guess. I suppose I am looking for advice. Is there any way i can detrain this response? Should I just completely forget about girls until i fix my prostate problems? I feel if I keep this up I will just ruin my health more. Maybe a relationship without any physical contact? thanks in advance

the only kind of chigung i do, is specifically one for prostatitis which I posted a thread about a while back here http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=7950&hl= other then that i also do concentration meditation focusing on the breath occasionally and as far as diet I am on a very bland one, no spices, no irritating or overly "hot" foods, no baked meats or other high protein foods that are baked, a lot of boiled legumes, whole grains, and vegetables I do not practice retention any longer also if you can explain the spontaneous chi-gung a bit it would be appreciated, thanks

ok, i see thank you for this clarification on this issue no need to apologize for anything, thank you for your advice and good wishes

thank you for your input and advice whitetiger sorry for not making myself more clear earlier. I know about prostatitis, prostate problems, and many of the suggested remedies or things to help them. My main question for you all is...... that since seemingly any prolonged arousel causes a worsening of my symptoms, do you all think I should just cut out any activities that cause such prolonged arousal? I am especially referring to when i see my girlfriend.......i become aroused at the slightest most seemingly harmless physical contact. Or do you guys think that I should try to somehow detrain this response? the specific symptoms that worsen with prolonged arousal are testicular pain, pain shooting into the legs and semen in urine in large quantities (the last symptom only occurs after long arousal periods with no ejaculation) thank you for the advice trunk, I will definitely try some of the stuff when i get a chance especially the nattokinase I always enjoy your creative work, and the vibration platform stuff has already helped me a lot. I have always wanted to try the crystal wand stuff just have not got around to it. Also I do a kind of chigung that includes the little orbit, but it is done in the reverse direction. I do not know what significance this has. I wonder what the differences are as far as effects of runnig it forwards as opposed to reverse? Thanks for this Iskote I feel a need to masturbate once every 1-2 weeks because I have a lot of semen built up then, that seems to cause more congestion if I dont. Masturbation per say does not seem to be so bad if done infrequently, it is when i start loosing semen in my urine due to prolonged arousal that really makes things bad for some reason. Maybe it jams things up more As soon as I get the money I will be going to a tcm practitioner. thank you everyone

been to multiple urologists, no help whatsoever, tried many different treatments, some helped most didnt do a thing. I am saving up to see a tcm practitioner. The western medical term for my condition is prostatitis thats the thing.......I simply can not have prolonged or frequent sexual activity without running into problems. Thats why i only mastrbare once every 1-2 weeks. I am perfectly fine with this. Even if I have to be this way for a long time its ok. I dont mind not being able to enjoy it because to me fixing this condition or at least dealing with it is far more important to me. Honestly I dont feel much at orgasm anymore so sexual activity does not give me much pleasure or fellings of release anyways. Saw palmetto and pygeum tried those no help. As far as prostate problems go I used to be pretty severe, and things are still pretty bad. These things usually so not help in severe prostatitis well honestly I dont have much sexual attraction for her. Its more like a response that is just automatic, and has happened with every girl i start touching. I am not even thinking about having sex with her or anything related when it happens, it is something i can not control. well the problems started when I was not around any women and I attribute them to chia excercises mostly pain in testicles, pain in lower back, white cloudy urine, semen in urine after prolonged arousal, pains shooting down legs, weak urine stream, dribbling and leaking after finnishing urination, urinary hesitancy, weak erections (cant hold for very long), little to no pleasure at orgasm, pelvic muscle spasms, however i do not have all of these symptoms anymore and not all of them occur at the same time, but I have experienced all of them at some point, they are all typical prostatitis symptoms Basically at this point the way I see it I have 3 options. 1 Do not have any girlfriends until the issue is dealt with. Have a girl but do not have any physical contact with her (im not joking). 3 have a girl, have a physical relationship and learn how to detrain/control my arousal response so I wont get an extreme worsening of some of the symptoms mentioned above, when i touch her.

Hi all I am looking for a really really good chinese medicine specialist/acupuncturist/chigung healer in the washington dc area most of the acupuncturists I have been to really do not understand my condition and many of them tell me completely different contradicting things I went to an acupuncturist today and I felt like i was just educating her about the tcm protoca lfor prostate problems, and she only seemed interested in making me COMPLETELY understand that acupuncture may not work for me and I also had to ask many many many many times for her to disclose to me my tongue and pulse readings thanks!

I found the name of one practitioner in baltimore from another thread. I talked to him and he seemed pretty good but he is a little bit far from me. Does anyone know any good practitioner closer to washington DC or Northern Virginia? Steven A. Solomon 600 Wyndhurst Ave. Baltimore, MD 21210 Phone: (410) 435-3747 thanks

Jedi, prahlad Jani is one of the people mentioned on the website you posted I found an interesting video about him and the buddhaboy on youtube thanks for posting the site

I honestly do not know much of anything about sungazing but I came across this video which is related prahlad Jani is an 80 year old man who has not eaten since he was 12 scientists tested him in isolation for 10 days he did not eat, drink, or urinate one of the doctors has a theory that because of his sungazing practice he does not have to eat or drink.....

I could not view the video, could someone please post another link, or explain what it was about? thanks

Hits the nail dead on. It is very hard to argue with evidence that has been consistantly produced from peoples that were/are physically isolated from each other. The problem with many modern studies that bash animal products is that they do not take into account the quality of the animal products. Jedi, why dont you try to give us a little more thought as to why you do not agree with some of the above statements made by Agarthi. Did you look over the book nutrition and physical degeneration? Did you read over the sections agharte mentioned as particularly important? If not I would recommend that you do so, this book contains some very good information that is of interest to even those who might disagree with it. Taking a look at it could not hurt especially since Agartta recommended that those who wished to engage him in debate do so as a prerequisite. Agartha made a valid point using arguments based mostly on logic. Also he obviously put a lot of thought and time into his post, to ridicule what he said without using any form of logic whatsoever seems pointless to me. Why not provide an argument against what he said with some kind of logic or other method of portraying ideas/thoughts that involves a little bit more cerebral activity. How about write an equally thourough post as to why you disagree with some of his points. It would be nice if you shared your personal opinion supported by facts you researched with us on the matter rather then just posting links to information you agree with. You must know a lot of information on this topic to bring it up in the first place, so please share it with us.

if you look at the healthiest normal (and by normal I mean having no advanced cultivation abilities to reduce food intake needs) peoples by (bone structure) you find that they had diets high in animal products that article is loaded with bias trying to prove a point and unscientific nonsense using statements such as that is total nonsense, just because some vegan hippies are disgusted at eating raw meat does not mean all humans are. the inuit routinely ate raw fish and game. in fact they let fish putrify for months and then consumed it, this was considered a delicacy. The inuit even up until the early 20th century when on their natural diet which consisted almost entirely of meat in the winter had a tooth decay rate where only .09 percent of the population had ever had any dental decay. They also had almost no facial or dental deformities, a high resistance to TB and other pathogens, no pain giving birth to children etc. all of these thigs were clearly documented by weston a price a dentist who went around the world studying nonindustrialized peoples in the 1930's I don't know how some people can claim veganism is the ideal diet for humans across the globe when vegetable food is not found in higher latitudes and colder climates during the cooler months. Do you expect the inuit to live off of grass in the winter? I love how this article picks and chooses it's "evidence" and omits facts that can be used as an argument against veganism. Why didnt the article explain that ruminant animals have up to 4 stomachs so that they can better digest plant foods? more bs quotes from the "factual article" too bad there is no logic whtsoever in this statement, humans have seasoned all sorts of food from the beginning of time plant animal whatever. this is as logical as me saying that "as humans do not like the taste of straight raw broccoli, putting ranch dressing on broccoli proves that humans were never intended to eat raw broccoli." again some groups of people eat their meat raw and love it that way. I used to eat straight raw fish with no seasoning sometimes, and I was not raised to eat it in this manner, so what does this prove??? absolutely nothing other then different people like the taste of food prepared in different ways, AND that people can adapt to liking the taste of foods they are not used to. more BS.......... meat clogs thinking............hmm very scientific argument excessive fat causes high cholesterol.....................well tell that to the samburu tribe of kenya who have been known to eat up to 1 POUND of butterfat per day and have an average cholesterol level of half of the average american's cholesterol level cows, goats, are ruminants and have 4 STOMACHS that is why they can thrive on GRASS gorillas eat small amounts of animal proteins in the form of insects and insect eggs like i said earlier chigung practitioners have ways of reducing their food intake needs so we are not talking about them, in their case a vegan diets or sometimes eating nothing is something thay have trained their body to adapt to by practice not something that comes as a result of forcefuly being vegan. in summary i think this article is very unscientific, the authors notion of loosing chi by eating meat is simply underdeveloped at best, no evidence of real logic in support of most of the claims made, the authour is trying to prove a point and is not providing obvios evidence that supports human omnivorism, no sources cited, full of false information i am not against vegetarianism, but i am against people using flase info to support it Ithink vegetarianism can be beneficlial to some people for a variety of reasons to read about the work of weston price.........here are some inks http://www.westonaprice.org/ here is a very good link on traditional diets http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/index.html

any other tips on isolating the tailbone? dr. lin says you dont have to contract hard also he says the penis and testicles should not move when only the tailbone is contracted i can not prevent the penis and testicles from moving when i try to contract the tailbone unless i do it extremely lightly.

well I tried learning dr. Lin's anal breathing for some time about a year back or so I still use it every so often I only tried the offline practice because I no longer have the ability to sustain a normal erection over a few minutes usually. Dr.Lin claims that one can have dry orgasms with the offline practice (by just leaning how to sync tailbone contractions correctly, without having an erection or touching the penis or anything else) I have not able to reproduce this yet. To tell you the truth I am not even sure if I am flexing the correct tailbone muscle when I flex (I will explain this in more detail below). I am able however to easily get the rapid involunary muscle contractions in that area, and can slow the contractions down and pulse them at varioius intervals. I can get some pleasure from this. One time I almost had an orgasm from doing this shortly after an ejaculation, by controlling the pulses to a certain pattern. However I must note a few things. First I no longer do this practice seriously because I have developed uncontrolable PC muscle spasms from practicing Mantak chia's recommendation of using ExTREMELY HARD PC muscle flexes which I would never recommend anyone do. I think this may have caused me to not be able to flex my tailbone seprately from my PC muscles. When I get the involuntary contractions mentioned above they usually seem to involve all the muscles in that area including the tailbone and PC, it is pretty difficult for me to separate them I think but I seem to be able to flex the tailbone muscle harder then the PC muscle even though I flex them both at the same time. It is also sometimes dificult to tell what I am flexing, especially when I do harder flexes later in sessions when the contractions become more automatic. the so called "involuntary" contractions I think are a misnomer because they can be controlled, so I use the term "automatic" contractions as I think it is more appropriate.

Forgot to mention the whole gan hao theory of things in some schools of chinese medicine Gan Hao is the body's back up energy the body produces when it is tired but does not sleep (probably is related with cortisol or other similar stress hormones) So when one is tired and does not sleep the body creates gan hao which will serve to prevent sleep ......so once gan hao is created it will make it more difficult to sleep even though thebody is still exhausted. This effet can be seen if one is tired and wants t otake a nap, but does not and then feels less tired at a later point

well no, not really but I work an overnight job and frequently stay up all night during final exam time. However I take classes in the day so.........well I think you get the idea, basically a lot of switching around of my sleep pattern I simply find that switching to and from a normal sleeping pattern and a reversed one makes me abnormally tired even when I do manage to get a decent number of hours in the quality seems to not be the same. I am wondering if this is in fact due to excess yin chi entering the body from being up at night or from repidiatly switching the circadian rhythm aroud or something else. note: I have never reversed the sleeping pattern completely even for one week so perhaps if this happened I could adjust normally??

Hi All I have had prostatitis/prostasomething for almost 3 years now I am curently doing a kind of chigung that is supposibly good for this right now The man who recommended me to use this kind of chigung has very limited english skills so I wanted to ask those here who are familiar with prostate problems weather chigung has ever helped them?

ya I have a small varicocle as well which i got doing something very similar to you ie masturbating for a long long period without ejaculation I think that this practice is not healthy if one can not have non-ejac orgasms to relieve the pent up stress on the sex organs. one should also be able to move the sex energy away from the genitals I also think I have a hydrocele that is small not sure though anyways im thinking about getting them removed but im afraid that surgery could cut some vitally important nerves or channels in the area any advice from anyone who had such a surgery? were there any negative side effects from surgery? thanks

"it is better to put your member into the mouth of a poisonous snake then to put it in a woman, it is better to put your member into a burning hot oven then to put it into a woman"----lord buddha http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/EN/links.htm#DALAIL3 Thus, the Kalachakra Tantra is opposed to all religions of Semitic origin, and for this reason has been pressed into service by right-wing radical and anti-Semitic circles for their racist propaganda. The Kalachakra Tantra invokes a global war between the Islamic and the non-Islamic world in which the followers of Mohammed are presented as the principal enemies of the Buddhists. The original text refers to Mecca, where the "mighty, merciless idol of the barbarians" lives as a "demonic incarnation" (Shri Kalachakra I. 154).