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This is obviously a tangent topic sprouting from the other 'dan tien' article. I hope no one minds-- I thought that this is something that might deserve its own topic.) Anyways, while I was in the Army, I read the magus of Java. What I managed to interpret out of the book was the idea of packing chi into the dan tien, iron shirt stlye. (ie, breathing into it, inside and out, gently tensing the area and breath, 'condensing' the chi into the dan tien.) I tried this for a few days, religiously, (surprised I managed even a few days...) and noticed a huge difference in the presence of my dan tien. The energy was so strong, it even began pushing itself up my spine. I knew then that this was probably an effective way of opening (/forcing,) up the meridians, and that with diligent practice I migth be able to accomplish... 'something'. (probably forced kundalini awakening..) I think I mentioned something about this before, and recieved complaints that this could only cause harm, and one poster even likened it to 'battery acid' or something or another... I think I'll try and compliment my current practice with this, and see what happens. ...but what do you guys think about it??

I really liked Theosophy, too. until I realized that alot of what I was reading was bullshit. I have enough bullshit to sift through in regards to my eastern-based practices, to start wading through the crap in theosophy. For example, anybody ever hear that blavatsky used to eat cloth, so she could regurgitate it and call it 'ectoplasm'? I've never heard of ectoplasm in any other system whatsoever... but in theosophy it is a common reference. I've seen pictures. They spend too much time dabbling in astral phenonema. Maybe this is useless to me, if only because I can't do it, ...but even if I could, I wouldn't be dealing with witches and vampires and werewolves and drawing pentagrams on doors all the time.

I would like one day to learn from both you and morris. As far as I know, (or have read or heard about the both of you,) I actually respect you two. alot. Practice well!

try it for a couple days and let me know what you think. I notice extraordinary results within just a few minutes of practice. seems much more efficient than simply breathing into it, (the 'condensation' of the qi seems vital.) I just have to be careful to do a thurough job circulating it, (orbit,) because static, pooling qi in the dan tien sounds like a formula for trouble. (pooling, static qi turns into bad qi.)

I have been doing modified versions of 'embracing the tree' lying down. I obviously lack the benefit of being rooted through the practice... but it sure as hell beats not doing it at all!

wow, I everybody was so young! I began internalizing the philosophy of the tao te ching at around 16-17... by 18 was working on qigong and tantra and stuff. I believe I even managed to open my heart chakra. ...and then a few months after that I sold my soul and joined the army. I unintentionally picked up the practice a few months ago with masturbation. Now I am reminded that it is the only thing important in life! "is it not that the sage is without thought of self [ego living?] that his private ends are accomplished?" I am 22 now

oh wow... thank you!

what is a dimension?

Yes, of course I can explain how I have ascertained some doubt concerning wuxing theory... fuxi devised the bagua from he tu (/luo shu?) Some sinologist experts claim that yin/yang theory was a product of the 'warring states' period, almost 1000 years after fuxi. Again, wuxing theory was developed seperately in eastern china, completely independent of I ching theory. Many sinologists claim that the original form of the i ching, (the yijing?) was merely a compilation of omens, communicated in ancient chinese characters with very literal meanings. If the above is true-- fuxi did not incorporate yin/yang into the original yijing. Again, if this is true... fuxi did not even devise the trigrams! (?!) .. I am just so confused with all the conflicting accounts on the history of the i ching... some say that the '64 hexagrams are almost certainly of earlier origin than the trigrams'... (?!) The way they associate the 5 elements with the i ching seems faulty (earth cannot be balanced yin-yang, because that is tai-chi!)... a respectable taoist 'alfred huang' tells us that the taoist symbol and number school had to combine wuxing theory with the i ching, and because of the way they placed earth, it is obviously faulty to me. I am still trying to really internalize taomeow's explanation. If he is correct about how the movement of the gua produce different qualities of qi... this is amazing to me because I have looked for a while and this will have been the first explanation I have found that seems satisfactory! I will have to think on this, and try and poke holes in it! (PS, can you point me to any english literature explaining this in further detail..?)

he's a brand-new role-model. Of course... uh... I don't want to be a vampire, (witch...) ..and I want to be successful.. not fail and be murdered... gosh, though, how romantic: he traded god for a girl. My eyes tear and my heart swells!

I will try and make crystal clear sense of this when I go home this evening and look at my books but let me say a few things: as I udnerstand it, 'earlier heaven' or xiantian sequence was created by shao yong, who only attributed the xiantian sequence to fuxi's credit. (a common phenonema amongst chinese sholars, I guess..) but I can imagine it now.. and yes, I xiantian is perfectly balanced, and I can udnerstand how it can be considered wu-chi. I will, however, have to take a close look at how the xiantian sequence arises out of the (he tu or lou shu? I'll find out...) that manifestation begins with the third trigram is interesting, per the Tao te ching: 'one beget two, two beget three, three beget the 10,000 things'................. wu-chi -> Tai-chi.. wu-ji + Tai-Chi -> uh errr..... uhm.... if wu-ji is '1', tai chi '2'.... mmmmmm from wu-ji + tai-chi the 10,000 things manifest, that makes sense. nevermind about the 3rd trigram.... so somehow the 3rd trigram strikes imbalance into early heaven sequence, begining 'gua chaos'? I wonder how that is determined.. it is very important... hmmm... it makes sense... yes.... I think I have it =) I think I understand! are you sure you can't explain it in different ways just to induce greater understanding? (if not, thats ok!) thank you so much!!

Please, wudangspirit, can you be more specific? Your answer is hardly sufficient for me to accept wuxing theory as genuine. Because in the art of fengshui, gua theory is combined with wuxing theory, does not give me a legitimate basis to accept wuxing theory. I just browsed the second volume of 'science and civilization in china', and it reaffirmed that wuxing and gua theory are complete seperate and distinct. PS... to elaborate on the (apparant?) folly of combining wu xing theory with gua theory... 'they' match 4 elements with the 4 bigrams, (lesser/greater yin/yang) and then say that 'earth' is 'balanced' yin'yang. balanced yin-yang is tai-chi!) -do you see how I have begun to find the theory of the 5 elements to be ridiculous? ....and after so long as a practicing taoist! I once aspired to be a TCM practitioner, only to discover that the wuxing is probably fantasy! (though, that probably also explains why I never felt any kind of success with 'fusion of the 5 elements' meditation...) or am I wrong? please help me to understand, if I am wrong! I think I would probably prefer to be wrong

I'm so sorry

I have been practicing 'solo cultivation' (ie masturbation,) for a few months now, and believe I have mastered the art of orgasm without ejaculation, (once again, since my highschool days.) I bring the orgasm up into the whole of my body. I can bring the orgasm up through my spine and into my head. I can practice for hours at a time, (really, until I get tired of it..) and I believe I have opened myself up quite a bit. I have recently entertained mantak chia's 'microcosmic orbi' guided meditation CD, and feel like I would like to couple it with my tantric practice. (I just need to get into the 'mode' of regular practice..) and that has been an incredible experience. ...anyways, what I am noticing is quite a bit of psychosis. I play at 'scenarios' in my head, (you know, normal day-dreaming,) except now it gets harder and harder to recognize these 'scenarios' as simply day-dreams. They become 'real' to me. I have a bad habit of imagining terrible things, and I experience alot of emotional pain as a result. My heart aches a lot. I find myself frequently telling myself that 'I am insane' whenever I get lost in these day-dreams. This calms me down, (ironically, seems my last grasp on sanity,) and I can recognize my day-dreams, (no matter how real they seem at the moment,) as being simply fantasy. I'm getting really tired of it. =) I am thinking that I am just bringing up so much sexual energy into my head and heart, that my 'day-dreams' are amplified into a subjective experience of 'reality', and my heart is just hyper-sensitive. Yesterday, for example, I had practiced ~3 hours of orgasmic masturbation, and that night was experiencing very painful 'day-dreams' and heart-ache. I made myself ejaculate, and immediately I felt much better. (By the way, I am obsessively in love with my ex-girlfriend, whom I may or may not manage to get back [even here in the next couple of days;] I think of her constantly, and this is the source of the majority of my pain. I think of the most terrible things.) Can someone help me? I don't want to sacrifice the tantric (blissful) attainment with frequent ejaculation. I have been trying to take an 'enlightened' (ie more detached,) stance in regards to my feelings for my (ex)girlfriend, but I just cannot do away with the attachment, no matter how hard I try. I guess what I am looking for most specifically is for someone to tell me how to counteract the sexual energy i am cultivating. Do you think that all this sexual energy is simply 'pooling' or going static in my head and heart? where does the water come from?? maybe I need to start doing some qigong/tai chi, just to keep everything circulating, to avoid the 'pooling' of the sexual energy? maybe I just need to do a better job at picking up the chia's microcosmic orbit? Anyways, and help or advice would be much, much appreciated! =) feel free to email me, too: [email protected] Ooooh and by the way, I show alot of symptoms indicating earth deficiency.

Since you did not ask what 'tao' is, but rather 'taoism'.. Let me put in my 2$.. It is non-dogmatic 'Being', most fundamentally. Next comes understanding this 'Being' through transcendental meditation and the I Ching and science and that sort of thing. (enlightenment, bliss, immortality and that sort of thing are just tangent byproducts of this understanding..)

oooOOooOOOOhhh I was supposed to seeeee her toddaayyy but she's ignoooorrrrinnggg meeeee...... Yes... I am definately getting your book, witch. Immediately. You knwo what is funny-- Is the I Ching keeps telling me, repeatedly, that I should not see this girl. The readings are intense, and one translation has told me more than once, "you're throwing your life away for this." But I do it anyways. ... ..I start new classes here next week. If I am not in her pants by then, I'll get another girl. I'm really good-looking, I guess, and girls really seem attracted to me, so it shold be easy. (I have also noticed a big difference since my cultivation really took off...) Thank you guys for your help =) (ps-- I am not spiritual. I cultivate for selfish reasons, I do it my way, and Awakening just happens to be one of the things I want...)

hey man-- I'm actually studying the I Ching for university credit. I'll be aiming to deliver a lecture, and to write a paper for publishment (through our schools 'confucius institute',) this fall. I have noticed a significant improvement in my readings since I picked up Alfred Huangs 'Complete I Ching'. ..I could never really fully understand wilhelms translations, and before that I was using 'the i ching work book' by RL Wing. ..It was amazing to notice the diffrence in my readings after improving my literature source. -Also, just learning how to 'read' the i ching is an incredible learning process initself. You really have to seperate your objective understanding from your subjective wants and desires.. which may be very well impossible for alot of people. It's too easy to see 'what you want to see' and then not realize your mistake until later. Also, I am learning that I cannot make 'predictions'. If I get something, say 'exhausting' last night, that morphs into 'dispersion'... well... I might have a slight understanding, but I still can't realize the full significance of the reading until the situations actively unfold themselves into the present ..This might make the i chign seem worthless-- but it is invaluable to you that you understand 'the present' as completely as possible. ..Also, with practice, I am sure that I will only cultivate deeper understanding. I don't know if the I Ching can 'make you more developed'. I am not even sure in what sense you mean. ...but, if you think that using the i ching to understand 'the present' can help you be a better person, then yes. you know confucius' famous saying, 'if I had 50 more years to live, i would dedicate that time to studying the i ching, and thus become without fault.' If you want to begin studying the 'metaphysical implications of the i ching' first pick up alfred huang's "numerology of the i ching", and then 'the tao of chaos' (by katya walters, I think..) those two books have proven the most valuable in my current study. ..and Ive gone through a few books...

The book is not available. If anyone has any extra copies, I'll make an exchange or something. I'll just shake around for a while until then.

I remember trying this for a bit... uh.. well... I remember OSHO telling you to do this sort of thing for cultivation.

Did I read correctly that 'fire' is aroused sexual energy during solo-cultivation; 'water' unaroused sexual energy during cultivation? I am not sure if I have noticed much of a difference. I fantasize sometimes, (listen to porn, [can't watch it]) and sometimes I just do it without 'arousal'. I haven't noticed a difference in the quality of the energy being cultivated, either way. What is 'it' that you bring down through the crown when you shoot sexual energy up through it, into the cosmos? ('sexing' the cosmos?) I can feel a difference in quality in that...

Am I crazy, or did I notice transmission in that? I'll go ahead and buy another book then oh well, I look forward to trying something new, and apparantly, so very powerful!

oooh my goodness, you know I do think of her during my practice probably a little too often! It didn't really occur to me how that might affect my practice. (..!) Goodness-- I will definately have to be a little more mind-disciplined throughout cultivation! -And I guess a excercising a little more discipline with the orbit is the most efficient, effective, and simply way to remedy my problems. (unless, you know... anybody know's any kind of practice that is used specifically to counteract this sort of thing.. I am still not sure how to find the 'water' in kan & li. When I shoot the sexual energy through the crown and 'sex' the universe, is that 'water' coming down? I never feel any 'cold' sensations that are attributed to water energy.... ... ...)

Hi =) It's (...) or 'triple dot', that frequented Winn's healingtaousa forum, and then this one around the time of its creation some 2-3 years ago. I don't know if anyone here remembers me. I had joined the Army, and consequently lost all attainment. I have since left the army, (ie was kicked out: 'chronic adjustment disorder',) and am now attending the University of Memphis as a Philosophy Major. Anyways, I have been practicing a bit lately, and thought I would register so I could ask for advice and suggestions, and discuss taoist philosophy and transcendental spirituality. I don't believe there is anyone I deem worthy enough to seek out in person in my living area, and I would appreciate a non-dogmatic community of friends to share my experiences with. =)