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Ancestor Lu Meets Master Huanglong Huinan
goldisheavy replied to Simple_Jack's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Hmm... this is a very good story, but unfortunately it will be impenetrable for a lot of people. I'll write a brief commentary to try to help. This is not to be taken literally. What he means is that one should observe the suggestive appearances without falling for any of the suggestions seemingly implied by the contents of one's immediate experience. So when one observes an appearance that suggests a table, one doesn't cosntrue a table. When one observes an appearance that suggests a human being, one doesn't construe a human being. And so on, without limit. This even applies to phenomena ordinarily considered "internal." So for example, when one observes an appearance suggestive of thought, one doesn't construe thought. To act without acting means to act without pretense, without subterfuge, without scheming, and without planning. When one acts according to the uncontrived state of one's deepest immediate wishes, without fear, accepting any possible outcome that may result from this mode of conduct, one gradually becomes a God. To honor oneself in this way is to honor all the ancestral patriarchs and matriarchs. Whatever you end up doing, be it vigorous activity, or relaxation, or anything in between, what matters is whether or not you recognize what's actually happening in your own mind. Don't fall for any narratives. Make up your own narrative if you want. If you imagine enlightenment or enlightened beings to have some specific and concrete characteristics and then if you try to match yourself up to that imagined ideal, you'll just foolishly and uselessly work yourself over. Don't seek anything outside yourself. Recognize what is true and what is eternal in the immediacy of your direct experience. If you rely on a conventional understaning of what a being is and isn't, then you'll not be able to respond to beings properly, because you'll keep responding to a fixed imaginary ideal in your own mind instead of to the situation at hand. The situation at hand is wide open to interpretation. Phenomena are ambiguous. To cling to any interpretation or definition as the final one is to stifle the breath and to block one's chi. And yet to imagine that definitions are to be avoided entirely is to turn medicine into poison. Instead work with the definitions in a flexible and creative way. Hold the ball too tight and you freeze. Hold too loosely and you drop the ball. If you cling to some imaginary medium strength grip as some ideal grip, you become stiff. So avoid the extremes, but avoid the middle as well. In a word, don't strive. Be playful. Understanding the phenomenal appearances in one's own mind just as they are is the correct meditation. Simply by thoroughly understanding what's happening, your volition will come to rest in its own secret source. Once your volition thoroughly learns to remain free of ignorant conventional contrivances, you'll realize immortality spontaneously. Wisdom and meditative absorption are interdependent qualities. Without wisdom meditative absorption amounts to self-delusion. Ordinary experience becomes extraordinary. Extraordinary returns back to ordinary. Ride the highs and the lows. Your experience is not going to be flat or free of upheavals just because you follow these instructions. Embrace all qualities of your experience, from the highest highs to the lowest lows as the sweet dew of immortality. Freedom is subjective. Trying to get someone to validate your state is bondage. Just as you don't need anyone to confirm that being caught in a net is constricting once you are caught in a net, once you begin experiencing genuine freedom, it won't occur to you to get someone's stamp of approval. No one can accurately judge your state. Only you know how you feel. Being insecure, ignorant, wise, secure, released... samsara, nirvana, bondage and unbinding -- all these are subjective experiences. Do not seek objective freedom. Embrace your subjectivity 100%. This tune appears in your mind without any obvious preconditions. Listen and enjoy. Here ends a commentary by someone who knows oneself as a glorious lord. May all beings benefit as quickly as possible. I prostrate myself to all the realized ones of the three times.- 9 replies
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I've read some of her posts. Sign me up into the fanboi club. At least until I read something stupid, when I'll be predictably having my falling out experience, as has happened to me numerous times. Until then, color me enchanted.
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I'm asking you to put yourself in my shoes. Consider what you are saying. You're saying that the reason you think of certain people as your teachers is because you think they are realized beings with psychic powers of all kinds. This sets up an idea of what a teacher is like. Then you say you are a teacher too, but when I ask you about your realization, you say you have none. So you don't quite live up to the teacher idea that you've described earlier. Also you say that you teach that which cannot be taught. Isn't that pretty much the definition of a scam?
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Finally I got something right. So earlier you said you considered certain people your teachers because you considered them realized beings. If I were to use your own standard to evaluate you, would I consider your transmission worth something?
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Let me get this straight. You say Dzogchen cannot be taught. But your Dzogchen teachers said you know Dzogchen. At the same time, when asked directly, you say you don't know Dzogchen (answering "no" to "are you a realized being"). So basically you disagree with your teachers. And you offer your services in transmitting Dzogchen teachings? Is this just about right?
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No. So a transmission from a confused being? Why would anyone want this?
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Are you a realized being?
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E-prime is an interesting exercise, in my opinion. Trump card or not, but a perceptive person can certainly learn a great deal about one's own condition by working with e-prime for a time.
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I don't think you know what the word "admit" means.
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Can we please drop the evasions and innuendo? Just answer my question honestly and forthrightly: Are you offering yourself as a teacher or are you offering yourself as a go-between person?
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Don't jump to conclusions.
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Are you offering yourself as a teacher or are you offering yourself as a go-between person?
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Because I don't respect you?
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Who cares what you prefer? You should think about your student's wellbeing for once.
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Good question. I'm going to go with "can't."
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Haha... I thought so. You can't play, can you?
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I know her, silly. When you know her do you know her and her realization as two separate objects of cognition? If your woman is just a realization, then why is realization female? If there is something in her besides her realization, then what is it?
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We should have some tea one day.
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Very good. How do you know she has realization? Based on what?
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Yes. I see another member of the white lotus society?
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1. You are dreaming. 2. Your wife is a high grade piece of meat, namely a 10. I bet she's proud!
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I'm not buying it.
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In your dreams.
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I know. Took you a while with that late edit. I'm basically you, with one difference. You are trying to be subtle about your enormous arrogance because you think you can fool someone. Perhaps you are fishing for paying customers or easy girls you can fuck. Good luck with your cult.
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You are being evasive. I'll be straightforward with you. The only way we will meet is if you eat the Earth I walk upon right in front of me, and prostrate to me one hundred times in a row. Only this will possibly be sufficient to erase your arrogance just enough so that I may properly instruct your narrow mind.