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Hey Dwai, Thanks for suggesting Zahler's Inflame-X. It arrived yesterday, and I am already VERY impressed. I've tried everything in the ingredients at one time or another (except the yucca... yucca?!... well, and the willow bark...), but there does seem to be something about the combination. Got up this morning and actually wanted to DO stuff! No waiting for the caffeine and movement to get me going... Maybe I'll try the moringa after this runs out...

This TEDx on youtube is actually pretty encouraging in terms of being able to heal your brain... and also, fascinating!

Hi Will, A couple days last week I woke up in an incredibly happy state... for no obvious reason... just ridiculously happy... And I noticed some part of my mind labeling that as "unreasonable" happiness. Like happiness has to be reasonable. Which made the happy part of me laugh a lot! (And even now I notice I'm describing it as ridiculously happy.) Some part of me obviously believes that feeling happy must be tethered to external events... And some other part of me knows very well that it is not.

Andrei, found some really useful info with this fellow. Thank you!

Hi Andrei, Been working with Ketogenic for awhile now, and curious what you feel are the most helpful sources. I've got Marcola and Perlmutter, but wondering who else you have found most useful in getting it all to work......

The OP reminds me of one specific time this happened to/through me. In a group, very intense moment, and, totally without intention or forethought, I suddenly started speaking, pretty much nailing stuff that was happening in the group, and which needed to STOP if the group was to survive. I was calling out friend and foe indiscriminantly, not in a blaming way, but totally clear and objective, things I hadn't even seen before. My voice was totally different from my normal voice, almost a choked feeling/sound, and there was huge pressure in my throat. Even now I get chills thinking about it. That... speaking... changed the trajectory of the group. Never felt like it was me. Never happened again.

Welcome to the Bums, I Peng! Sounds like you have a lot to offer, and will find many places to jump into conversation. Looking forward to your input!

Thank you, Dwai! That is very helpful!

dwai, doesn't Master Liao differentiate somehow between a general broadcast and then loading a specific message on that energy? (May have to go back to my dog-eared copy of the book here... do you recognize what I'm referring to?)

Anybody interested, there's a great discussion about this going on in chat right now! Started about 9:40... may be petering out now...

That's what Scott says, that, out of thousands he has touched hands with, only a mere few have not held significant tension, which is the hand hold/lever that allows the person to be moved. This actually fits really well with the energy sharer's statement that the energy shared can hit obstructions in the person, and this trigger reactions...

So I'm wondering if transmission and energy sharing have something to do with this concept of triggering something the transmitter is targeting in the other person... but takes some skill in identifying it and applying the initial charge... This would be with intention, not just broadcasting a frequency of peace, silence, or tranquility... @Dwai, Master Liao talked about broadcasting in his book Nine Nights... you have anything to add in that respect?

Scott Meredith has an interesting way of describing what happens in fa jin, although I don't think he uses that label. He talks about how Ben Lo and others could move people without seeming to apply any real energy push, just a touch. What Meredith says (anybody who actually knows, please correct me if I am misstating!) is that he applies a tiny amount of energy which then acts as a trigger for the person's own compressed tension. So it is like the detonater of a bomb... a tiny charge, which then sets off the explosion. The explosion is driven by the held tension in the receiver, not by the person moving him. But it is not a simple thing! The person setting it off has to know how to find and target that tension in the person being tossed. Reading people's descriptions of being moved by Scott is great fun...

I also don't know the answers! But REALLY am enjoying/appreciating the discussion! So... a realized transmitter is transmitting something that is real for them and therefore... more... potent or effective in inducing the resonance in another? Actually, a sobering thought in today's world.... which is maybe your main point in the OP... but I would apply that caution much more widely than just to "energy sharers".... And, yes, with anyone offering to share energy, careful attention is warranted.. to their... level of realization, and what they are focusing on in themselves, best as we can tell... peace? silence? harmony? or... power over others? building a following? dissension? validating the "one true way"? I have "received transmission" from enough teachers that I am extremely grateful for their resonating those qualities and focuses in me (if that's how we want to view it)... and I do also appreciate your point— careful who you open to resonating with! And just giving someone your attention opens you to resonating their stuff! Yikes!

So... a realized transmitter is transmitting something that is real for them and therefore... more... potent or effective in inducing the resonance in another?

Sorry, "closer to the potential" ? I lost you.. can you expand?

Can a "transmitter" shape what we are aware of internally? Whether through transmission or resonance or a combination of the two?

Yes, I pretty much agree, but there is SO much within each of us, how to emphasize just THAT?

So just energy, not content? So kind of sending a chi packet, but without ... meaning... attached? I think Jeff was taking the mountain top thing in a traditional way, the sages on the mountain top kind of thing. High up is also a more effective position for sending radio or any kind of transmission... so also a more effective position for sending out vibrations which may induce resonance for those who are similarly ... tuned? How about something like "transmission-induced resonance"?

OK, I'll bite ( possibly generating more sighs and even groans! reverberating throughout DB land, lol) I sort of get where you're going, but need to understand where you're starting from: what do you think energy sharers "think they are doing"? Are you saying they think they are operating through transmission (which would be...), but they are actually only operating through resonance (which you describe in your post)? Also, I'm kind of intrigued by your conclusion that the recipients of fa jin are "clearly being manipulated into throwing themselves.." Is that how the people who can actually do it describe the process?

Brain, you think it's maybe more than just these guys seeing all the attention the last guy got out of trying to troll the staff? Hmmm....

Er, you don't seem to be "getting it" Aletheia... Maybe it would help for you to read this again: (Maybe even bookmark it...) "~ Welcome! ~ TheDàoBums is an open internet forum for the discussion of the internal arts. Outside the boundaries of any one tradition or school, though leaning toward eastern influenced thought and practices, it is eclectic, egalitarian and lively. Membership is free of cost (though donations are accepted). TDBs' Cultural Context and Founding Principles The purpose of this document is to concisely state the most fundamental framework principles that give TDBs it's distinctive shape. This is not "all the rules, permutations, etc", just the steel beams. TDBs exists in the general field of "The Search for Truth". The Usual organized formats (schools) for The Search tend to have: 1. focus exclusively within a school 2. hierachical learning structure, hierachical ability to speak TheDàoBums' founding principles form a deliberate cultural counter-point: 1. run independently of any school, which allows a more eclectic atmosphere 2. conversational learning, egalitarian ability for members to speak TDBs' social format is "cafeteria", not "classroom". It's part of TDBs' premise that, broadly in culture, these two formats are necessary, distinct yet complementary. TheDàoBums has a strong egalitarian ethic in that it's whole purpose is to provide a civil very open context for member conversations. However, its governance structure is mostly top down; it's not a democracy. - admins - own / run the board - moderators - enforce rules - members - converse TDBs' Conversational Context: 1. At TDBs member participation in conversation is non-hierarchical. Meaning, members have equal ability to talk regardless of level of knowledge, achievement, or status / credentials of any kind. TDBs has an underlying ethic of valuing the communication of each person. 2. TDBs most basic rules about conversation are around civility(leaving enough flexibility for lively debate). A moderator's basic role is to moderate members' uncivility toward each other in coversation. Members support this process by 'reporting' offending posts. A fictional example of how 1&2 shake out: If there's a TDBs debate about music between Mozart vs a beginning piano player, and it becomes heated enough that reports are generated for moderator consideration then, still, "level of knowledge, achievement, or status" are not basis for moderation. Civility is, applied equally to each member. It's up to each member, not moderators, to sort out the truth (and other questions of quality) for themselves in conversation. Moderators just keep the conversation civil within reasonable limits. For issues of staff bias, members can contact the current admin. The staff (admins, moderators) also deserve and have protection against uncivility and against abuse of staff resources. Staff protection is enforced at the discretion of the admin. The admin also has broad discretion to protect the civility and resources of any aspect within TDBs e-community. signed, - Trunk, author - Sean, owner of TheDàoBums" The mods are not here to demonstrate, or judge, skills. They are here to keep us civil. Their own skills and development are entirely their own business.

The best I can come up with so far is "embedded" I understand that begs a question: in what? But this is a wonderful thing to ponder...

The DVD "T'ai Chi Ruler" produced by MasterWorksInternational.com explains and demonstrates a tai chi ruler set that activates the MCO and the eight extraordinary channel/vessels. (If you google it, this is the DVD with the grey-haired chap in a black and white taichi outfit on the front... ) The exercises are EXTREMELY simple and easy to do, and the energy is readily palpable. The DVD uses clear diagrams and animations to explore the dynamics of chi circulation. The exercises can be done with or without the use of the ruler (which you can find online at eBay or on martial arts sites). It is a beautifully done DVD, and I recommend it highly, especially for those who are working with the Eight Extraordinary Vessels and who want a pretty immediate experience of their Micro Cosmic Orbit. Any other TaoBums seen or worked with T'ai Chi Ruler as a vehicle for developing the EEVs? From the DVD blurb: "T'ai Chi Ruler is a unique method of Chinese Chi Kung that nourishes and strengthens the internal energy of the body. It consists of simple exercises performed whilst holding a 'chih' - a shaped, wooden ruler, which activates the eight strange flow or psychic meridians and macrocosmic orbit of chi. T'ai Chi Ruler exercises enable the practitioner to quickly build high levels of chi in the body. The health benefits of regular practice can include release of chronic tension, improved structural alignment, improved blood circulation, increased balance and poise as well as a calming effect on the nervous system. Simple to perform, yet profound in its effects, this rare form of chi kung is a true jewel of Chinese Taoist alchemy."

I just now got that too... strange... Edit: got that twice, now twice, exactly the same click path, and didn't get it.