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Here are the genuine pope cards created by the Discordian Society. Also their books are available to read or download. http://principiadiscordia.com/downloads.php pope_card.pdf

The first chance I have, I will post the pope card, whereby anyone can be their own pope. The church of the subgenious invented that one. Lol!!

Have you read his writings? I have read most and visited the museum and lab in Rangley Maine. His research was impressive!

The banking system is a problem. However, the higher cause of religion brought about by fear, superstition and repression of natural drives emotion etc. has stifled human progress in this case the reign of the papacy for close to two millennia. Fascism has its roots in religion. Given your naïveté in regards to the suppressed, character armored human condition, I would recommend reading the works of Dr. Wilhelm Reich. In this case, 'The Mass Psychology of Fascism'.

William Shatner comments on bigotry as seem on Reddit. His comments apply to this. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022345839

The 'Family Research Council' that WWROA links to has been determined to be a hate group by The Southern Poverty Law Center.

I took the term Luciferian to mean devil worshipper. Which I am not.

Here is the Southern Poverty Law Centers analysis on the Family Research Council which is one of the links in question that was posted by WWROA. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/family-research-council

Given the source of the links, that are right wing fundamentalist in nature. I think it is hate speech. I will look on the Southern Poverty Law Center site and see if these groups are classified as hate groups.

The principal of the matter is what is being discussed. Some show absolutely no respect for others here. What that indicates is the general immaturity of some here.

SB is really splitting straws on that one. I do consider it ad hominem.

Do you have something intelligent to add? I rather doubt it!

What I mean is that all persons whether left or right must speak out against this problem. Further, the problem in question does come from the extreme right.

Vortex, I am on my phone and it will take too long to type a full response. What the two threads respond to are threats to privacy from the right. Whether it be the fetal personhood bill being passed in N. Dakota or the incessant attacks on persons by the religious right. In this case gay rights. This is not a left right issue but one of how a society treats others who are different.

This further explains the right wing propaganda from Fox News. http://churchandstate.org.uk/2011/07/14-propaganda-techniques-fox-news-uses-to-brainwash-americans/

I agree that the political landscape is dominated by the far right here in the U.S. Most here are uneducated in terms of politics and just follow what feels good, propaganda being served by Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and so forth. Most are ignorant of what Hobbes, Rousseau et al were writing in regards to human nature and politics. I see it on this forum. Further, there are some on this forum that think history is an irrelevant pursuit and does not apply to the present political and social situation.

In general, there is no atmosphere of respect on this forum. Recently I was called a 'ungodly liberal' and Luciferian by WWROA. That is not respect. Further, I have been disrespectfully shouted down by Joeblast on numerous occasions. What I am seeing here is that those of us who truly speak out, are the ones being blamed for the problems here. The weak are asserting control here through right wing propaganda, fear and extreme religious posturing. That is what is occurring in this country.

The rules set forth on this forum are a social contract. However, there seems to be a wide latitude of discretion on the part of the mods with interpretation. This so called contract is nothing more than a formality.

There are some on this forum that believe that the 'civil rights laws' passed in the 60's are unconstitutional. If that were the case, then blacks in this country would still be considered to be 3/5 of a person, not be allowed to vote, schools would still be segregated etc. This kind of flawed objectivist reasoning does not take into account unenvolved human nature. History is replete with genocide and abuse of persons that are different, which is primitive tribalism being acted out. Laws are necessary to control aberrant behavior without which, anything is possible, for good or bad.

Exactly who is the expert in this case? I guess that those of us who stood up against this behavior are wrong? The weak minded who attempt to control the strong, prevail with their rigid religious ideology? I believe hate speech occurred and a group of innocent persons were bullied by a weak minded minority making disparaging remarks and somehow that is acceptable? Reasonable persons do not condone unevolved behavior as has been occurring with more regularity on this forum. These incidents are not occurring in isolation from the societal system and it is the responsibility of all reasonable persons to speak out against such anti social behavior. Nothing is separate and as long as behavior such as this is not discouraged, it will only grow larger and more virulent. The religious right is on a continuous attack against anyone not submitting to their ideology of a higher cause. In this case the gay community.

The thread in question is still down the Orwellian memory hole.

You were right about what happens here. The thread has disappeared down the memory hole. Nowhere to be found.

That would divert from the present problem.

If you go back and read my posts over the last few years you may understand that I speak out against extremist points of view. It only appears that I am on the left. Most of the extremist points of view here are from the right, whether religious or political. Most if not all persons which includes you, are not even aware that your syntax contains unsubstantiated absolutes. Or to phrase it in a more elementary level, most human primates, with few exceptions, are obsessed with describing reality in terms of an absolute 'isness'. That so called absolute is an illusion.

To quote you from the thread in question, you accuse me of being an "ungodly liberal". Now you accuse me if being a "Luciferian". Why the bigoted remarks?