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14 points of fascism. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

Please provide a real reference for the above as opposed to a Republican talking point.

This thread has been diverted from the original premise by the Tea Party Republican operative Joeblast. In order to fully understand how important public discourse is controlled and manipulated so as to change the public's perception of global warming, one must read NLP, Frank Luntz, Joseph Goebbels, Machiavelli and listen to Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove et al. Joe's narrative is replete with Republican Tea Bagger talking points that are parroted over the media daily. When engaging in debate, notice that Joe never answers a question in a direct manner but diverts the discourse to standard Republican talking points and in this case the global warming debate, which includes false accusations directed at the scientific community. Joe's standard excuse is that explaining his so called scientific ideology would take too much time. Further, Joe believes that none (which includes Dr. James Hansen and the rest of the scientific community) are equipped with the mental faculties to fully comprehend his ideas. These accusations are nothing more than demagoguery with a facade of rational logic. Their motive is not to win the debate but stifle it so that implementation of real solutions to this very serious problem never occurs. This debate is about who acquires power! For now, money is king! http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

Corporations in collusion with the government. Bought and paid for. That is fascism!

Just stating it like it is! Ad hominem is Latin for "to the person", and not a group of individuals. I am referring to an entire group that has stifled real change in how we approach this problem. This has caused a major setback for any real progress in this matter. The denier group has been given too much time in front of the media with their inquisition.

Where is that cut/paste quote from? The science of global warming and the mathematical foundations of, are based on complexity/chaos, non linear dynamics, which includes quantum mechanics. What is your point? I believe what you are looking for is a static linear (2 variable) predictable biosphere where change never occurs! That is an illusion.

The partial data, cut/paste narrative that Joe presents as his own is extremely offensive. The real work being conducted by thousands of research scientists from various fields has taken decades. Further, without the technology of super computers, the complex modeling of the biosphere would not be possible. The denier crowd of paid shills are nothing more than dangerous inquisitors.

A little science 101 given that you are getting your terms confused! http://wilstar.com/theories.htm The bottom line with you is money, money, money! I am convinced that you don't care much for this planet and by extension the residents of.

His very steep price puts it out of the reach of most!

I have a copy.

This is not your exclusive country! The U.S. and by extension the planet belongs to all. If you ever studied the Tao, you would realize that a selfish separate existence is an illusion. We all need to cooperate and work together to create a better world for all. That is where a real democracy in place of capitalism would benefit all. The problem I see with your narrative, is that you have bought into the "John Wayne" myth of the "rugged individual" and "pull yourself up by your bootstraps". That ideology has been promoted by the objectivists, Ronald Reagan and right wing Republicans.

Given that I am spending most of my time in ICU with my gravely ill mother, I have neither the time nor am I inclined to enable Joeblast and his cronies to rant continuously in regards to the marvels of the broken capitalist system. The real issue is the absolute replacement of Capitalism with Democracy. Predatory capitalism is corrupt and will only become more corrupt as more money flows from the 99.5% to the top .5%. BTW, Medicare works very well in spite of the political bashing and vile propaganda used against it. My mother is receiving excellent care and would have passed away long before now. My parents have been very productive and have contributed much to this society and only ask for their final days to be ones of dignity. The elderly want to feel useful and are in no way wanting to be treated like items to be disposed of with the rest of the throwaway culture that is destroying the U.S. In a real Democracy, the needs of the many will take precedent over money and the greedy few that want it all to themselves.

He obtains most of his info. from a former TV weatherman (Anthony Watts) who has no credentials whatsoever. Most of what he posts are Republican talking points and erroneous info. from Watts site.

To pick one point and in this case the sun, then proceed from an incorrect conclusion is your problem. Why? What you have done is isolate one variable from a complex set of variables and reach erroneous conclusions based on one dynamic i.e, the sun. Then when you fail to hear what you want to hear from Dr. James Hansen you whine and accuse him of engaging in pseudoscience. In any non linear dynamic system, all variables interact with all other variables. What you and your ilk are doing is engaging in anti-intellectualism and an anti-scientific inquisition. Therefor, the responsibility for delaying much needed R&D and implementation of new sustainable energy sources falls directly on your rabid denier crowd. The deniers as far as I have observed, are composed of single minded angry control freaks. Further, your participation on this forum is suspect! E.g. you have referred to the U.S. as "my country" and anyone disagreeing with your ideology should get out. Some might construe that as bigotry. What gives you the right to determine that only your ideological group owns the U.S. If you are still viewing yourself as a separate individual, then you know very little as to what the Tao really teaches.

My argument contains the facts accumulated by the scientists who presented the concrete evidence on global warming. If you have irrefutable evidence, then why haven't you presented your work for peer review? Proper scientific protocol.

Obviously, you don't know the difference between real science and the arguments you present. My degree is in a scientific field and I know how to read a scientific paper. Further, I understand how to apply critical thinking skills and therefor am able to think through to a set of logical conclusions. However, you do not! My ally is science together with the facts substantiating global warming and the thousands of research scientists that have worked for decades on this critical matter! Therefor, I refuse to debate with one who has no substantial evidence to present and only uses cherry picked data presented by agenda driven dilettante's. The arguments of Tisdale et al, have been thoroughly refuted. BTW, your weak defense of claiming ad hominem attacks as a way to debate is a weak tactic. Your participation in this debate is irrelevant Joe! Honestly, I do not believe you have read the real science on global warming but have relied on the denier crowd.

Cut and paste arguments again? Will not work here! Further, Glickstein has no Ph.D in climate science and neither do you! Reminds me of geocentricism which was religious ideology during the time of Galileo Galilei in which the church investigated Galileo by inquisition. Given the corporate funding against climate science, coupled with propagandists such as Limbaugh et al, political hacks such as Sen. Inhofe, the witch hunt that you so love to engage in does feel like a rebirth of the inquisition against science. Honestly, you show your disdain for the scientific process by repeatedly attacking complex climate problems. Further, it is evident that you have neither the educational wherewithal or even the intellectual curiosity to explore complex subject matter. Critical thinking? Why not read real books that may further your education? Of course I doubt you will given that you are 35 years old and know it all. http://www.amazon.com/Inquisition-Climate-Science-ebook/dp/B005FLRAW0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1324488619&sr=8-3 http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Atmospheric-Science-John-Frederick/dp/0763740896/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1324488619&sr=8-1

More Ayn Rand objectivist BS!

The PATRIOTIC Act became the new law in that the so called "war on terror" (a battlefield with no defined boundaries) takes precedent over due process, habeas corpus and the possible elimination of posse comitatus. Part of the basis for this is the "Theory of The Unitary Executive". This was the longed for wet dream of right wing extremists. There are some here that exclusively blame Obama for the new provisions in the NDAA, however, these new provisions were largely instituted by the Bush administration and Obama is continuing with his predecessors policies. The next president will do the same and more. Dr. Leo Strauss is the political philosopher whose writings influenced the NeoCon movement with the likes of Wolfowitz, Pearl, John Yoo et al. http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20060109_bergen.html?iframe=true&width=100%&height=100% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Unitary_Executive_Theory Edwin Meese AG who served under Reagan is an important figure to read in regards to unchecked executive power. One must be vigilant in paying attention to propaganda and the U.S. is not different than this scene from the Nuremberg rally in 1934. "Deutschland" was mentioned for the first time by Rudolph Hess. "Homeland" was introduced by the Bush administration as a way to create patriotism and a disregard for others rights. Internal security is always the cry of the oppressor!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMqdUFfxhNI

Joe's comments are nothing more than cut and paste diatribes, replete with right wing talking points which are fed daily from his handlers. If he and his operatives are allowed to continue with their radical agenda, this country will return to the "dark ages". Why? The "dark ages" were followed by the Renaissance and the Age of Enlightenment in which science evolved as well as reason. Progress in areas of science, education, understanding complex systems such as the biosphere and human impact on such, are seen as a threat to neoliberal agendas. Neoliberalism is nothing but a guise to allow for massive exploitation of natural resources, elimination of child labor laws, destruction of the environment, elimination of the educational system and a return to the "gilded age" and prior to that. Further, the U.S. will witness a return to an oligarchy and an impoverished working class. What usually arises out of an economic collapse such as this is a possible dictatorship. History is right on this account!

Another fine example of how stupidity is rewarded in today's political discourse. Viewers believe this stuff! http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/14/oreilly-surprised-to-learn-u-s-govt-controls-the-military/

Wall Street is unregulated to the degree that financial havoc is the norm!

You have shown your lack of knowledge in the scientific method and science in general. In terms of quantifying data so as to model any system, absolutes are not sought after in some holy grail quest. The uncertainty principle applies to all rigorous scientific inquiry. Further, this principle with a small degree of mathematical error, and in this case global warming, is within acceptable limits i.e, a small degree of variation. Therefor, your ideology of a real world model is erroneous. Only dilettantes attempt to define reality in terms of real world absolutes. Your crusade against science is flawed to the nth degree! http://tech.mit.edu/V113/N6/king.06o.html

Encryption? Please elaborate.