exorcist_1699

The points are : 1) Whether a stop of the previous , ordinary breathing happened before these feelings arise , and, how long the stoppage lasts ? 2) What 'qi ' do you deal with in this process..?

I am sorry if what I said sounds rude to you ; however, after your reading of more posts here , hearing how people cry for help because of their ways of doing MCC , then maybe you have some understanding of my reaction , hopefully .

From Taoist criteria, the understanding and capability of opening the " Magic gateway " , at least its preceding stage " Embryonic breathing " , is how we judge whether a person be qualified enough to be a real teacher or not . If he can't explicate it clearly, or being ambiguous , then no matter how vividly he boast of his 3-eye abilities, about what light , heat, image.. he can see , is unreliable because no matter how clever and imaginative an insane guy is , there is no way for him to describe to you what the Magic gateway is. He should also be plain enough to tell you what a mindless Mind's relation to the Magic gateway .., provided that he is eager to .

Sadly people who follow the Buddhist type of practice are unable to understand it ,which is especially true for old-aged practitioners. If they grasp this , maybe they will not succumb to Pure Land or Esoteric way so easily . For example, consolidate a spiritual state of oneness by singing the name of Buddha , as the initial stage to attain a much greater mindless Mind later , is what Pure Land advocate , yet what is unknown is that it needs the support of jing+ qi 's to accomplish. " It is said that one unit of jing equals 9 units of qi. " I only heard of one drop of jing equals to ten drops of blood ; this saying about jing and qi sounds strange to me.

There are two meanings of it : 1) High to low level, or reverse : You start from the high level of Shen , and for the reason of spiritual initiative ( due to talent or karma ), you can simultaneously refine jing and qi into it at the same moment ..; otherwise , you follow the conventional path : jing => qi => Shen . 2) Refer to location : you start from the ' upper dantian ' , which is located at the top of your body ,deep inside your skull where 'Yuan Shen ' , some kind of Meta-Mind , hides ; nourish it from there and you get many problems, mostly coming from the lower part of your body , cured/ solved.

Read more posts here before you unwisely do what you claim to be MCC...

To be fair , the injection of the Buddhist most important element " emptiness/ void " into Taoism makes the system more perfect provided that the Chinese intellectuals capable of digesting it well, which unfortunately is not always the case. Taoism , originally talks only about 'nothingness' (' 虛') , not about the 'void ' ( '空'), although people may argue that their difference is not that much . The real trouble is that people are always afraid of playing with emptiness (maybe frightened by that immense bottomless void ) , not to speak of the existence of many subtle layers of it , so they started to , more precisely speaking , degenerated into just talking about it , thinking that by reasoning, or by gathering more and more knowledge about it , they can then grasp it , which unfortunately is not the case ; quite the contrast , just talking and reasoning about void/ nothingness makes them deviate further away ... The difficulty of attaining Buddhist ' Genuine void' ( '真空') by Buddhist own way , from Taoist perspective , comes from Buddhist denial / look-down on jing and qi ; the most common mistake is its accusation of the so-called Taoist attachment to body , to physical immortality...etc , which superficial- minded people like to repeat .. regretfully totally miss the essence of Taoism . The ever, clearest Taoist criticism on Buddhist way comes from " Genuine words for preaching Tao" ('唱道真言') , a Taoist pamphlet published in the Ching Dynasty . In it , there is a passage too long to translate , so I summarize it as follows : Jing , qi, Shen originally are inseparable, so in practice, we Taoists always view them as a whole: After having accumulated certain amount of jing , you can have a grip of qi ; after having accumulated certain amount of qi, you can have a qualitative jump to Shen... provided that in this process , you do not add unnecessary stuff ( Your intention/ minds to attain it is in fact contrasts to the character of void ) to it . Buddhists don't grasp such an insight , they just ignore jing and qi , and deliberately isolate the element of 'Shen' ( Buddha Mind) to cultivate ; this is the reason why while Buddhist cultivation solely extracts the spiritual part and leaves behind some physical " Buddhist relics " ("舍利子" , from Taoist point of view , is still the remains of jing + qi ) after having their bodies burnt , Taoist accomplishment is greater as it can attain qi-lizing (' 氣化' ) of the whole body , then reconstructs it in other space at our own will ..

はじめまして。

Zen + the formula of Jing > Qi > Shen

Many widely recognized 'masters' , those who wear a pair of glasses, long white beard, wrinkled face or big belly ,do give good ideas in their writings, yet all wither and die as ordinary people. Why ? I think although they practice well in their youth ( otherwise they can't give good ideas on spiritual stuff) , they can't continue their achievement into their old age . That is , the pace of aging outpaces their effort or advancements ,and fame , sex, stresses in life..etc further make their life worse . As a message appears in many Taoist classics warns us : " Those who can't recognize what the Magic Gateway is , those practice Tao in vain " ('不識玄關 , 學道無益' ) For in the end , the depletion of jing will take away all their efforts no matter how arrogant they boasted of their achievement in youth . The Book of Simplicity ( '素書 ' ) also tells us : 'The worst scenario in life is above all the complete dissipation of jing' ('悲莫悲于精散' ). A young , healthy guy , no matter how poor he is , is still hopeful. An old guy in his 80s , to whom you give grand mansions, pretty ladies, luxurious cars ,delicious food.. is no longer meaningful.

Really ? I only find two systems : One based on the study and manipulation of particle, atom ,magnetic field,molecule, cell, organ.. One based on the study and manipulation of jing, qi , meridians, shen.. Please tell me what other system , for example , that a whole society can build her medical system on ?

In practice there are many elements in both systems that they can borrow each other ; as long as those elements are beneficial , I find no reasons, say because they get different views about the world ,not to adopt ,even mix , good parts of them. Not studying Buddhism, for some other academic reason , say you are doing a philosophical study on Taoism, is another story. In that case, you may prefer to chop off the influence of Buddhism on Taoism .

What you describe is nothing strange , sorry to tell that there is NO accomplishment

Taoism is a huge system involves many areas , neidan is only one of the topics among them . Regretfully , most of the readers here can't read Chinese ...; even so , even people here can't discuss the differences between the Middle School and West School , even that only a small portion of of them know Wu-Liu and be entangled by it , so sad it is ... yet there are still many issues that are left untouched , for example : 1) Since all superb Taoist alchemical ways are related to cosmology , an arena of modern physics, why people don't pay more attention to it ? Taoism views human body as a miniature of the much bigger cosmos, so there likely is somewhat relation/similarity in between the Magic gateway ('玄關') , the most important issue in neidan practice , and the black/white hole ? 2) The highest Taoist achievement is said to be attaining Shen, a special form of Wisdom , what is its relation to AI or other forms of human intelligence , even to the iOT ? 3) Taoist daozhan (collection of Taoist classics ) is so huge that to exploit it involves issues of text mining and big data , anybody ever thinks of talking about it ? 4) Forever youth is what Taoism affirms , it involves issues of skin care, regeneration , DNA.. that seldom people here touch. 5) Acupuncture nowadays is widely applied on animals/pets : dog ,cat ..when they get sick , but can it be applied on a parrot , dolphin or octopus ? What forms of distribution of qi on them ? Say, how the DU channel runs on an octopus ? What acupuncture points we should choose when curing a starfish ?What is its relation to biological holography ? Just raise some of them so that this post not appears too tedious. In fact, I view Taoism as a system challenges every aspect of Western knowledge system ,and what the real destiny of Chinese civilization should look and provide ... there are a lot of topics for people to write about .

Of course, working as an exorcist .

There are many ways to reach Tao or Enlightenment ; different ways may give people different subjective feelings, yours is only one of them , so don't say that yours is definitely the right one although capability of reading original Zen or Taoist writings undoubtedly gives you an edge over others ,yet it conversely requires you to behave more cautiously .

Although not the Taoist school who holds the highest way , likely it is the "Middle School" or the " West School " that gets the prestige , we still have to recognize the contribution of Wu-Liu in spreading Taoist alchemy in recent centuries. Its emphasize on the importance of retaining jing as the pre-requirement for accomplishing physical eternity is significant. Comparing it with the Buddhist way, and converge the best elements of them , gives us humans the most workable keys and steps to attain eternal life, very different from other religions'. Claiming that Wu-Liu as "fake" is over-stating. On the whole, WU-Liu's problems is no big ones, of course, you have to differentiate it from its so-called modern followers.

Most of the readers here can't read Chinese , especially classical Chinese, better be more patient . Besides , to be fair , you have to differentiate people who claim to be followers of the WuLliu school from what really are expressed by the Wu and Liu masters in their writings. I think, the significance of WuLiu 's writings is their emphasize , much serious than others', on the importance of retaining of jing for attaining everlasting life , which I wonder whether any lady here can fully understand its meaning to men .. for example , Taomeow complained that we guys talk too much about this subject on this forum ..

A deep knowledge of Zen, not those what we are told of in the West : " mindfulness " , " Living at this moment"..etc , can be the precaution against the potential troubles of many practices ; people are told to accumulate energy in their body , but to some point , it becomes so huge that they don't know how to harness it .

Follow what Sebastian said can be helpful although what he mentioned is Post-heavenly qi stuff ; it really depends on how serious a symptom of short-sightedness people get . Minor troubles on our body always can be cured by the post-heavenly qi.

By the way , regarding all organs' jing risen and condensed at different parts of the eyes : liver's to iris, kidney's to pupil , lung's to sclera.., to be fair , it does relate to the Indian ideas..

Definitely we can . Jing , how much and how high a quality of it we get , is crucial to our eyesight . In this sense, Taoism once again grasps the essentials of the human body, far superior than the Western medicine . In fact, at the bottom part of our body , we get jing + qi accumulated ; at the top, we get shen + jing , all organs' jing risen and condensed there , so that we can see . As we get older and older, our eyesight starts to deteriorate....; the key solution to solve this therefore is to reverse the jing ( changing it into qi otherwise it can't go upwards) so as to replenish the brain (' 還精補腦') ( also the eyes ) , most of the eyes troubles then can be solved. In fact , by Taoist criteria, how good an eyesight a person gets is one of the ways to identify a master : Hardly can Taoists recognize a master who wears a pair of glasses ( other religions may say that it is okay , nothing related, but definitely not from Taoist) . It is said that the second patriarch of the South School , Shi Tai (石泰) , was identified as some person extraordinary by his main apostle at their first encounter because Shi, at 85 , was capable of doing his own sewing job : leading a cotton thread through a needle's eye...

In fact, you should let the accumulated jing and qi guides you and don't add any extra minds or expectations to it. In some sense , Taoist way is cleverer than the Buddhist . Buddhist way is like a kitten which tries to grasp its own tail , whenever it moves , it distance itself from the target and fails ; it is like whenever you expect to get enlightenment , inside you an overeager, undeserved idea arises, making you not capable of getting the no-mind , and without a prolonged no-mind , never will enlightenment come upon you..; Taoist way is not solely dependent on the mind, its doing a series of self denial so as to upgrade itself, but also about the time , the jing and qi's help ..etc. Elements from I-Ching and TCM does provide helps that the Indian lineage doesn't get .

Yes, exactly .

Sorry to say that most people's understandings of Zen, or those Zen-like stuff , are distorted , if not seriously wrong . In order to make your meditation productive, the path you should follow is : Eliminate the daily fluctuating minds => attain no-Mind and hold it as long as you can => when a stop of ordinary breathing come upon you , you nourish and hold it with no intention => emergence of embryonic breathing =>.... Only a mindless Mind is the Right Mind ( '正念' ) that people should pursue , all other intentions, say " clear the mind of illusion , create peace in life.." , for example , are mental activities that already adding extra minds to it ; in fact , you can't attain no-mind by adding an extra mind ( an intention to clear something or an expectation to create .., whatever it is ) to it ; by using such way of searching , it is not strange that most practitioners can't attain a mindless Mind, and therefore can't understand the core of Taoist practice and the saying that a grasp of Zen can be some kind of shortcut to achieving the Taoist Golden Dan. Sadly, what many people rather like to do is to deliberately circulate their so-called Micro- Cosmic Circulation . But if there is no open of the Magic Gateway, there is no genuine MCC.. ,so what they do is in the end all in vain ...