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which means its baseless. Emptiness is not some ground of being. As this article have pointed out: http://www.heartofnow.com/files/emptiness.html

Some zennist asked my master, "what is mind-source?" Expecting answers like "buddha nature, ultimate awareness," blah blah... And was surprised by the answer: "ignorance". Of course it is ignorance.... Everything dependently originates and is baseless. My master has warned about talking source without understanding d.o.

wow cool. Where can I get his translations?

It depends on their mastery of samadhi.

d.o. is a self-evident fact, like luminosity, like impermanence or any of those universal truths Doesn't mean everyone recognizes it tho. Most are of course shrouded or veiled by ignorance/delusion P.s. You don't have to know all causes and conditions all the way to your mother's womb or past lives in order to see that everything presented is seamlessly interconnected. Past life remembering helps in understanding the implications of karma tho and I have people share their accounts with me its interesting.

Actually there is, and you need to read the holographic universe link I gave you. It is intriguing to say the least. What dependently originates is empty, non-local, not bounded by time and space.

I never denied creativity, will, and intentions. Creativity cannot arise without requisite conditions, but nevertheless it does not have to be the "same old thing" - creativity is a spontaneous, 'fresh' manifestation of d.o. Also, what d.o.s is actually self-originated like what I told jack. There is no origin to appearances, so they are spontaneous and unoriginated. What arises relatively turns out to be an unconditioned whole. You can find what I told him. You guys type so fast and I am still slowly loading the pages and typing on my pathetic phone in my bunk, its unfair I shall go sleep.

The self-luminosity of the six d.o.ed cognizance are self-evident.

I'm not good at science. Never learnt much physics. I guess it is mutable. Laws are observed in mansize world and may not apply outside certain contexts. Beyond that I don't know. I already said powers are possible and I personally know of people who have them.

It is not self-evident to some entity. It is simply self evident that everything is seamlessly interconnected. E.g. The experience of scenery is realized to be self-evident (without a knower) in anatta. Poetically scenery sees, music hears. Just a figure of speech as of course I am not implying that matter is aware, etc.

and mental consciousness. There is nothing transcending these. There is no other seperate substance like padmasambhava said. Mind is devoid of self-entity. You are asserting a windness apart from blowing. Btw read the nagarjuna one too.

that said in reality many masters in various traditions only go as far as substantial nonduality and fail to realize anatta and shunyata

actually shentong is an interpretation of nagarjuna's middle way, and shentong people delineates two interpretation of nagarjuna: shentong and rangtong.But in reality shentong and rangtong are bogeyman distinctions of shentong. Nagarjuna's refutation of rang stong [instrinsic emptiness]: If there something subtle not empty, there would be something subtle to be empty; as there is nothing not empty, where is there something to be empty? And his refutation of gzhan stong [extrinsic emptiness]: Since arising, abiding and perishing are not established, the conditioned is not established; since the conditioned is never established, how can the unconditioned be established?

on the contrary, sravaka schools up till today assert the reality of mind + matter. Mahayana schools accept the distinction of mind and matter but only as conventions since mind and matter are empty. However, no Buddhist schools except some extreme strain of shentong leaning towards the eternalist view of mind... Actually assert an unchanging overarching mind subsuming everything. That is hindu view. Even yogacara mind-only only goes as far as to describe all as unique, impermanent mindstreams and treats this as real.

Law is not a thing. Only compounded phenomena (which is all that appears) dependently originates. The compounded phenomena expresses the truth of the law just like all phenomena expresses the truth of impermanence. But you can't ask, "what does impermanence depend?" As impermanence is not a thing in itself. by changing the conditions which are the tendencies to give rise to a particular intention, e.g. Training good and positive intentions, reprogram the mind, etc. Alcoholics anonymous, dharma, metta practice, contemplating on the impurities of the body, etc.

the ultimate nature of anything does not deny any experience. It denies inherent existence of self and objects. but its still wrong. never said that. Subject by definition means a non objective agent. I am saying there is no subject. I am saying there is in seeing just the seen, not space + seen. In hearing just the heard, not space + heard. Space is a perception, hearing sound is a perception, there is only perception without perceiver. There is no space-container. Like what daniel wrote: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2009/09/rigpa-and-aggregates.html consciousness is not seer. Consciousness is a dependently originated manifestation of cognizance, upon eye, soundwave, mental factors etc. Check out the sutta links above. Consciousness is not a seer therefore it does not reflect objects. Neither am I saying that inanimate matter is self-cognizant (without other conditions like sense organs and mental factors). Rather, each manifestation of consciousness is a unique, complete d.o-ed manifestation, and that is a relative description of it, and what is relative is ultimately empty and non-arising. i do not say I am aliveness. Aliveness is not self and naturally not something apart self. You think you see with awareness as if awareness is subject. I say there is no awareness apart from the seeing process like there is no wind apart from blowing. precisely. Just because there is no windness does not deny blowing. I am saying that awareness is not a subject but an ungraspable process. In seeing just seen in hearing just heard. six types of consciousness. And I don't differentiate awareness and consciousness in this context. everything is interdependently seamless without subsuming into a oneness. The diversity is seamlessly interconnected

D.O. Means: If A is, B is. If A is not, B is not. Etc. Therefore how can they be disconnect? They are interconnected. You do not need to link A and B together. They are intrinsically linked/interconnected already and you do not even need a concept to establish interconnectedness. It is a self-evident truth without using concepts. It is self-evident in perception, only that the perception of inherency veils/obscures this truth. I am talking about anatta, not d.o. Contemplation. And anyway d.o. Contemplation is not what you think.

People really need to read and understand these two sutta/articles about consciousness and dependent origination: http://www.leighb.com/mn38.htm http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/search/label/Nagarjuna?m=0

actually I forgot to add, not only dependent on sense organ and objects but also upon mental factors such as a previous moment of cognizance. Physics laws are relative. I never said intentions are not an influencing factor. And I never said that upon death consciousness ceases. Mind and matter are interdependent, but matter does not have primacy nor does mind have primacy. In other words, I do not say that mind arises out of matter. But it is intrinsically interdependent with matter. Lucky stated bardo states, states of spirit, devas, etc, implying that mind can exist independent of matter. As I recall from namdrol, spirits are said to depend on space, devas body are light based, etc. And I don't care if you accuse me of quoting from "authorities" as apparently you quote from shurangama (or rather, your interpretation of it which I do not agree). I quote from namdrol because he makes sense.

Wrong. Causes and conditions do not need to literally "bounce into each other" to manifest effect. They can be ten million miles apart and still an effect takes place. This is why psychic powers and buddha's omniscience is possible. Read aspect's discovery. http://twm.co.nz/hologram.html Secondly, anatta and dependent origination is precisely what breaks down the view that consciousness reflects a material world. Why? Consciousness does not reflect external. Consciousness dependently originates. With the condition of eye and visual object, visual consciousness manifest. Consciousness is a unique and complete manifestation, not a thing/non-thing that 'reflects' other things. Of course this is still speaking relatively, and what is relative is ultimate empty of inherent existence and thus non-arising.

mind is not a subjective perceiver. Mind is knowing. Knowing is an everchanging stream, and this change goes on infinitely therefore it may be called eternal but not unchanging. Mind is empty of inherent existence or self, like "weather". Just like there is no windness behind blowing and wind is mere convention for the blowing activities, similarly there is no one mind behind or containing eighteen dhatus.