xabir2005

No. Thought is arising as this particular mind, distinct from the other people's thoughts or experience. There is intention, action, decisions... no chooser. You can lessen (but not really overcome) suffering if: - your mental conditioning is changed (as explained above: changing negative thoughts to the habit of positive thoughts) But you can only remove suffering if: - all traces of clinging, to this mind, this body, to a self, resulting in craving, anger, fear, and all manners of passionate emotions... have been fully eradicated. Otherwise suffering will certainly surface. They probably learned the art of letting go to a certain degree, which helped. However it is not completely possible to let go when we still have the ideas of a self, a real body, a real mind, something that is real.. separate... and under threat from 'others'. Your sentence is ok. But the word 'body-mind' should be added after 'individual'. Intentional thought by an individual body-mind... not individual self. A self never is. Individual body-minds, are.

Pondering... pondering.... decision made. A self, thinker, chooser apart from thought? No. No... a brain, attention, intention, various mental factors are necessary. A thinker is not. No. Intention to put finger on ice cube arise based on a previous thought or circumstance or need, whatever condition is. Action of putting finger on ice cube occurs. Looking at the freezer occurs. It is not yours. There is no you, no yours. The finger did not touch the ice cube. No 'you'. Yes! No you. Just bodily actions and feelings and thoughts. No. The circumstances at the moment allowed you to only have positive emotional feelings. It might not be the case, for example, when you are dying of thirst in Sahara desert. Means the positive emotional feelings thought process is well trained. This well trained thought has formed latent imprints so that the habits of the mind at producing negative emotional feelings has been replaced by the habit and imprints of giving rise to positive emotional feelings. This is possible, sure, training takes place but no trainer is there. Just like thought thinking thought... as I explained prior. And by the way, latent imprints, conditioning your mind to think positively... already shows that thoughts arise due to conditions. But the conditions can be changed so it is not fixed.

No you means no you, period. There is no higher self... higher self is still another way of saying you. There is no you.

It just means intention is fixed on a particular train of thought. It is thought leading to more thought. For example the thought "Think fish" is followed by the thought "Fish". The thought "fish" was the result of the previous thought. Thought serve as condition for more thought. Without the previous thought "think fish" the thought "fish" wouldn't have come into being. Thought thinks... it is not you not yours and not a thinker. If feelings are produced by a feeler, if thoughts and emotions are produced by a thinker... Then you would well have been able to choose only to have positive feelings, thoughts, and emotions. You can choose never again to experience sorrow, anger, desire, or any unpleasant experience. It doesn't work that way. Not you, not yours, no thinker, no controller, no experiencer.

Can you know your next moment of thought? you can't. It just appears. Same goes to everything else.

Seth ananda. Seems like you have really seen it, congrats. What triggered your realization and when?

Also nothing is me or mine If it were me or mine I can choose the way it will be We can't Cos everything arises are not me, not mine, there is no agent or controller and arise due to conditions

To those interested in seeing this. Trying to reason or convince yourself why there is no self is not going to work. You need to investigate if this is the case: In the seeing there is just the seen, no seer In the hearing there is just the heard, no hearer You really have to investigate and see this, not just agree or disagree. As in the seeing is just the seen, the seeing is just the seen, and there is no me in connection with that since there is only that. Since seeing is just the seen, there can be no doubts there is no such thing as "seer + seen". The word "just" is a keyword. It is as ridiculous as santa claus is seeing or unicorn is the seer In actuality seeing is simply the seen No agent, distance, doer All things self-manifest without control Like hearing airplane can't be avoided even if it is despised It is absolutely possible to wake up forever from the dream of self. Liberation is possible.

the actual matter is that a body is sitting there. The thought "I am sitting" is an inferred afterthought pasted on reality. The thought "I" does not reference an actual entity

as an analogy, if you are experiencing a nightmare of seeing monsters coming after you. Thinking I don't know if the monster is real or not, won't free you from suffering. It is not a path from freedom and won't free you from clinging and fear. Waking up from that dream, seeing it is just a dream, a thought, seeing there never is a monster... That is liberation. Waking up frees you from clinging, thus freeing one from suffering

breathing, acting, body functions, mind Not denied. What non existence? Only the self you think you are is a fiction It "exist" only as a thought, like santa claus

Haha countless people have realized no self since the Buddha and none reported any psychological damage or any kind of adverse effects. All reported liberation. On the other hand, it is the fiction of self that people believe and cling to that makes the world crazy, suffer, experience craving, hatred, fear, alienation, etc etc resulting in all manners of violence, rape, war, crimes, etc

When you wake up. You clearly see the dream you had last night of santa claus or unicorn as simply a thought, a dream. Waking experience is undeniably manifest. But you simply no longer are under the delusion of there being a real unicorn in your life. Or a real self. Only life flows, not a live-r.

Seeing, self evident, Hearing, self-evident. Body, self-evident (as an experience, not as a solid object). Mind, self-evident. Consciousuness, knowing, self-evident. Volition, self-evident. Perception, self-evident. Self? Only a fictional self, a thought. That thought is self-evident. There is in thinking just the thought. In dreaming up santa claus, there is just the thought. No actual santa claus. In thinking just thought, just the thought 'self', no actual thinker. In thought just thought. Seeing, hearing, self-evident. No claims needed. Once it is realized in seeing just the seen, you will see why no-self is self-evident without even saying or thinking 'no self'... I do not need to think 'no self', because it is seen that in seeing there is just the seen, in hearing just the heard. In other words, music hears, scenery sees (poetically speaking, experientially). There is just that. There is no delusion about self. There is no need to think about "no self" either. I was pointing out how all the components which, collated with a label 'self', is undeniably interacting together to manifest a function. The function is manifestly evident... the components are manifestly evident... the self, is a mere collating label. If you think there is an inherent self, that is a delusion.

Car is merely a label collating the parts but has no locatable self-existence. It is a mere convenient label. Like 'weather' is merely a label for rain, snow, wind, etc. Weather is really not a thing. There is really just the engine, window, door, etc. There is really just body parts, consciousness, volition, thoughts, etc. Together, with all conditions coming together, a function manifest. Be it the function of driving... Or the function of cognizance/knowing... It is mere function, mere experience. The engine alone cannot drive. The window alone cannot drive. The wheels alone cannot drive. There is no "core of car"! No part is less important than others (of course you can judge its importance relatively, but the fact is that the function only manifest when various conditions come together) Together, the function the driving occurs. Wheels do not control driving, any more than engine controls driving. Together, the function of knowing occurs. Eye does not control seeing, any more than the scenery controls seeing. There is no "core of me"! No part is less important than others (of course you can judge its importance relatively, but the fact is that the function only manifest when various conditions come together) Body is there. Thoughts are there. Consciousness, there. Knower, not there... except as a thought conjuring it, like a thought conjuring a unicorn. Thought, undeniable. Body, undeniable. Knowing, undeniable. You? Only a thought conjuring a fiction. Only thoughts of labels. Labelling.

Night.

I see. That is still more like experience than self-realization. If you are so inclined to it, perhaps you might be interested to try self-inquiry. http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2010/12/my-e-booke-journal.html

The act of looking for an actual I is a thought looking for I. There is no actual I looking for I.

Means have you directly realized and experienced what the Spirit (like Ramana Maharshi, Eckhart Tolle) you're talking about is, or are you speaking from belief.

Are you self-realized?

I already explained it. You didn't catch it. In seeing, JUST the seen. Means, no such thing as seer seeing seen. JUST the seen. JUST that. The seeing IS the seen. Seeing is not seer. Seeing has nothing to do with a seer. Not a seer seeing seen.

Happy vesak day, I got to go sleep. Night.

You can proof that self cannot be found by seeing that in seeing there is just the seen. In hearing there is just the heard. That seeing IS the experience of sight. That hearing IS the experience of sound. If it is directly seen there is in hearing just the sound, there is no room for "I, the hearer, hears sound". That has no bearing on reality. In seeing there is just the experience of sight! There is just that. You need to contemplate on that... then you will see that.

"Weather" is simply a label collating a conglomerate of phenomena, clouds, rain, wind, lightning, snow, etc etc Changing moment by moment. Same goes to "self". "Self" is a label collating the five aggregates.

"an organism with the capacity for hearing" is simply Five Aggregates Form (body) Feeling (pleasant, unpleasant, neutral sensations) Perception (thoughts, conception) Volition Consciousness (five senses consciousness + mental consciousness) No hearer therein.