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The Tibetans say that the Buddha did teach these practices to his disciples. And that he predicted the birth of another Buddha, Padmasambava, who would come and teach these teachings called Vajrayana. The Buddha taught what was needed depending on the individual. These were the secret teachings of teh Buddha and while he did not write about them. Many Buddhas have. Perhaps, I haven't read the whole thing, but insight practice doesn't comprise the whole teaching. That's all I'm really saying. I didn't say that was your view either. I think they would really disagree on this point quite a bit. They would say that they have added what the Buddha didin't 'publically' teach. They also say that he was born already enlightened. Are you sure this is what happened? I don't think we can know for sure. So, are you saying we have no control over this process? That sounds a little hard to believe. If this is the case, why do any form of practice. Like meditation. What would be the point? It's an interesting take, I have to admitt it sounds tempting. Are you saying we are all already enlightened? Or perhaps that there is nothing to get as UG has stated? I definity think truth exists, but what about the whole happiness thing? It sounds like you saying on the one hand, just stop doing and you're there. And then you say, but we have no control over this process. Sounds like a bit of a contradiction, but maybe that's just my perception. I think things are very dual in life and I still think I have more to experience before I decide I have already reached the supreme truth, but perhaps I'm stopping my self from seeing that it's easier than that. Something to consider. S I agree with the Tibetans who say the Buddha knew about these practices and taught them. When kings with massive harrems would request teachings from the Buddha, he taught them sexual cultivation. In Dzogchen they believe you need both. Actions are also just a creation of your thinking. The idea is that you are your thinking. Thinking here, in anyform, is just the act of grasping 'I.' Everything we preceive is the creation of our thinking. And any sensation, gross or subtle, is also thinking. This would naturally include strong emotions and the body since we feel with our body. Secret teaching of Buddha. BTW, the Pali Canon is he exact word for word teaching that the Tibetans have. They have done comparisons. Their view is that following just these teachings will only lead to the first basic level of enlightenment Arhat. Even Hinayana and Theravada sects in Thailand and India, among others, totally agree with that idea. They say it takes many life times even after you become an arhat. Makes sense to me when you put the whole thing into context. The story of the Buddhas own life said he had aready been enlightened for many life times before he became Buddha. I'm not sure we can just throw out all of these considerations. Unless of course you don't believe in reincarnation which is one of the foundations of Buddha's teachings. I guess this would be a more modern interpretation, but it's also Nhilism which the Buddha taught was a false view. It's hard to make all the pieces fit to the theory being presented, but, perhaps if you add love into the mix, it would work. At least we arn't just reduced to a mechinism if we practice loving kindness. Best, Sean

Thanx Spyrelx, I also forgive you.

Thanks for posting this. I've been raving about Herbert Benson for years.

Pat, Fine. I will continue to express my strong opinion that you are wrong. You are wrong. When your wrong your wrong. A lot of people here do believe in enlightened teachers and immortal beings. Should they be constantly blasted for their beliefs unless they provide overwhelming scientific proof? If we wait for the rest of the world to catch up we will be dead before we get their approval. Dare to believe. I think for some people it's just a past life thing. They just naturally understand that such things are possible because it's deeply rooted in their awareness. Respectfully, S

I know, it's so embarressing and overdone.... Does my hair look okay? This must be kind of what winning a movie award feels like. I'd like to thank the makers of this forum and lozen, for nominating me; Hi mom, you were always my biggest inspiration. And, And... (holding back the tears) to my dead grandma who raised me like I was in boot camp and told me to be somebody (think Jamie Fox), I'll see you... (long pause to gain emotional control) in my dreams. Thank you, thank you all for making such a big deal about me. And then of course all the sex and spanking at the after party. Then I get drunk an cheat on my wife with some girl and masterforge is watching, but I don't care I'm too drunk. Who knows, maybe this will set a trend and everyone will start making polls about other people. I shouldn't be the only one to get so 'honored.'

I am still going to tell you are wrong, but I'll be keeping it palatable and real. And I will be casting a spell; by the end of the month you'll be singing my praises. Back to the regularly schedualed programming.

For Lozen, my new buddy. To all beings that I have ever said nasty things to, sorry dudes. Peace out, S BTW, Hanging out with immortals is totally sexy, just like me.

Don't worry Pat. There's so much love in the room right now. You should join the party. Player hating is no fun. Whatever I said to cause you to go off. I'm truly sorry. I hope we can walk away better for it. I don't respect most of the stuff you've said to me and about me, but I want you to be happy. Just let me know what that would take and I'll shake hands. S

Kind of hard to do on the forum. How about a potato sack race.

Good enough. Master Forge, you have your orders. There's a lot of humor here. Let's let it stand. I've decided this thread is a true work of art that needs to be preserved as a lesson for us all on how to overcome frustration by verbally beating the hell out of eachother and then laughing are asses off and finally having a sex party. I think that's a Taoist practice at least three thousand years old

You're right. Sexy rules!!! Keep it open.

Wayferer, The guy has made a project out of hating me. All I'm saying is that no ones cares what he thinks of me, they just want to have a decent discussion even if others don't take them as seriously as they would like to be taken. I think your doing great.

The sexy club is definitly open for business. Anything goes except pointless player hating.

Thankfully, no one else cares what you think a this point. As, for the rest of your post, at least you're finally starting to get it.

Lozen, Thank you for the private apology. I'd like you to make it public so it means something. Thank you, Sean

I thought you had some business to attend to, I guess it wasn't that important after all. Love ya dude, peace.

I've been thinking about this a lot latetly. I think you should concern yourself with 'you' first before you devote your life to debunking others. I think this is the mistake people like Randi and his friends are making. Just a thought.

Honesty is refreahing isn't it.

No thanks. I don't need your help and it's not appreciated. Me too, but I am pissed at you.

Ah the truth. We're good The great and wonderful Wayferer has no business to attend to. He is logged off and is sitting at his computer drooling over the above fantasy. When did I say I was going to New York? I guess his dillusions have really began to manifest into full blown pychosis. I don't like silly contests and I wish you would stop. This has been my point from day one. I wish you would stop constantly coming on the threads I post and then attacking me. It's annoying. Why? What has caused this reaction in you? I just want to set the record straight. I really want to hear an decent answer. It's been funny, but hardly fun. I think you have made it painfully clear that you are more concerned with me than is healthy. Again for the record, I haven't gone around dissing you and cracking on your posts. I've just defended myself against your criticism which is unfounded and stupid. If I was intested in 'carrying any weight' I would detach your teeth from my ankle and carry you to the nearest psychiatric ward. I have no interest in being seen as some kind of sage and have been very honest about what I do and don't know. While you parade around like some kind of great master with your big advice based on what?