MatthewQi

Harry, I don't get the feeling that we are on the same page with regard to what the three finger method is. Would you please explain what your practice is and where you learned it from? I don't think I would try to tackle aneros with three finger method at the same time. Too much going on. Aneros can definitely lead to non erect states as a normal part of it due to the pressure on the nerve endings in the prostate area. If you want to take this offline, that is fine with me as well. Just email me with the option on this site. Matt Matt

Hi Harry, Questions: If you stop the pressure can or do you get back to erection? does it take a long time or is it next to impossible? What do you think is going on, what is your gut feeling about this? Matt

Dan, I would recommend picking up a copy of "Taoist Secrets of Love; Cultivating Male Sexual Energy" and learn the 3 finger method and big draw. I thought I had a link on what the Plain Girl's advice was to the Yellow Emperor but I can't find it (anyone have that one, it was on HT I think a year or two ago). Take it all in and find what helps / works for you. Matt

Sunshine, I guess I don't understand your question. Would you mind restating it another way? Oh, do you mean becuase it takes time to find the point or somthing? Matt

Michael, That sexually charged feeling is what you want. This is the catalyst as opposed to celibacy and never heating up which is a Northern School (of Complete Reality School of Taoism) slower practice. Don't forget that the three finger method with big draw will do the trick just as well or better than going to the max point and holding off. Inner Peace, Matt

Cam, Pretty interesting but the guy was finished once he went in close. He should have known better. If he would have kept his distance and used his techniques he would have stood a better chance, ya know? I am not a martial artist but I think I know that J is about in close work and KArate isn't. I take it you are into Jiujitsu? Matt

I have been noticing all the people that join here and that in general no one wants to post their pic or anything that would allow a more personal connection. Hey, the internet is great. I would encourage folks to step out of their comfort zone and post up their pic / info so we can get a sense of one another and possibly build a better understanding of each other as humans being This is such a great community that I think that this a dimension that would be pretty fun, educational and insightful! OK, it took me a looonnngg time to be comfy with that but hey, I think it is pretty neat to learn about folks here. Since a lot of us spend a lot of time here discussing the deepest stuff. So, hey, why not? why hide behind some screen name" who the fuck are you? Matt

Daniel, If I recall correctly, some of the channel work in the beginning is similar but then the instruction gets less descriptive and harder to follow / understand and is different. I really do not feel comfortable enough with it to recommend it to anyone other than as an interesting read or for comparitive purposes. If you are looking for something that is a practical guide, you might try David Twicken's Spiritual Qigong or his updated version included in Treasures of Tao. These are essentially what is known of the One Cloud HT formulas. Matt

Daniel, Welcome! I read this book a few years back and recall that it is a Northern school approach (meaning in general not utilizing sexual practices but using celibacy). Nothing the matter with it at all if it resonates with you. The authors was a very recognized Tai Chi Master and sought out inner alchemy from his own personal study of ancient texts. He was killed in an automobile accident. While he did not claim entry into the next dimension, there are people who have and do everyday. Only you can find your own path and I wish you the best in your endeavors! Matt

Spyrelx, Yea, I used to think the same thing and then I read it again, and again, before I had it done. To me it is saying that vasectomy covers the replentishment issue but one should still steam up / or big draw the energy and retain the other fluids that are rich in vital nutrients if you are doing the HT system. (note: there are many different perspectives on this, this is just the HT approach) The bottom line clencher for me was that a Taoist practitioner that I respect who is Kundalini awakened and been through the Void, who had a vasectomy decades before he ever awakened. It simply is not an issue to cultivation. Remember that you are awakening to a deeper level of your being to merge with the all pervading universal spirit that is unlimited. This is beyond feeling and directing chi. It is beyond jing, chi, shen transformation. This is the mother of the three treasures and whether or not you have a vasectomy, or a body, it is still there. Cultivating jing chi shen is a method to reach the primordial. Like you say, there are so many methods. But understand that I used the HT methods to prepare me for the final stage which came to me by grace and has also come to others I know who are not involved in HT practice. I just read of another persons experience that was exactly the same as mine the other day. Actually, it is sorta funny becuase the HT system is multiple systems / techniques put together by Master Chia. The sexual practice was not taught to him by One Cloud - he actually learned that later I understand. One Cloud taught him the Alchemy formulas and wrote them down on a piece of paper or knapkin or something like that. Acutally, Chia never learned the final two formulas from One Cloud, he just gave him a very brief written description of some sort. He also presumed that one would have their sexual expenditures "under control" before practicing these formulas. What is funny to me is that the HT sexual practice, which is very Tantric, is actually a path on it's own. So while practices like Iron Shirt are definitely helpful, they are not part of One Cloud's formulas. And like Winn says, the last is spontaneous if it happens - this is what I call grace if it does. It can also be transmitted from one who has reached it, but this is not guaranteed either. Sorry, I went off on a tangent I had a vasectomy becuase it made sense for me and my wife. I have three wonderful kids and do not wish to father any more (got my hands full). I had heard about the health benefits and that was part of it as well as not having to worry about contraceptives any more. Especially as the pill is not a good long term strategy and condoms suck after a while. Matt

RJ, Testosterone is still produced. It is just the path out of the body that is interrupted. Interesting though that one of the desirable spiritual aspects of taking Reishi by the Taoists was in effect to reduce testosterone production. Anyway, hope your running is going well?!?! Matt

Yoda, I got a Vasectomy this past January. Sperm production is said to continue as normal. From an energy perspective ones body would not need to expend energy to replace sperm ejaculated. Yes, in the 1800s the procedure was done to old men and was thought to extend their life. I don't have any studies to site, read it somewhere. I also took a look at the energy levels of the guys I knew who had vasectomies, cultivators and non cultivators and it appeared to me that the non-cultivators where very high energy healthy people who seemed to be able to have high tolerance to stress and where just compassionate men. Back to the energy... your body does not need to use energy to replace sperm ejaculated with a vasectomy. Remember though that this does not mean one will not lose vital energy from the body that goes out going "all the way". To me (I reiterate, for me), plain girls advice, some retention (3 finger w/ big draw) is most balanced. Check out page 193, chapter 12 of Taoist Secrects of Love as it talks about vasectomy and healing love. The only thing I notice is that my balls seem different, perhaps smaller and sorta firmer or something. Everything else is the same and I really think it is a good thing to do in the right situation, for example, versus a seperate operation for your female partner for birth control. I would definitely do it all over again. Matt

Some stirring has occured tonight in me to the repulsive nature of 99.9% of the population. To the fact that there is more ignorance in the world than truth - although of course I still hope. What is important for the Sage and for the spiritual seeker is to let the elite that rule this world enjoy their temporary power while we who either directly know or are aspiring to higher potential and realization sit and watch the charade. Personally it makes me sick. Not becuase I am opposed to republicans (I am registered republican) but becuase mankind places more value on trivialities than on the Tao. More time on who is getting what when, then on their eternal nature. Too much time on believing that mankind has this awesome responsibility! This is why the sages of old would upon recognition of their supreme abilities by the elite, deny any high posts/jobs granted. There is nothing to gain from these activities! they are meaningless! they are a distraction from REALITY! No one here, not the president, not the Secretary General of the UN, FUCKING NOBODY is in control but the Tao lol! Yet people think and act as if these people and people in general are Inner Peace and may you find the Tao in this very lifetime if you sincerely seek it!!!! Matt It is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT TODAY! Hark!

Monucka, Thanks for the write up. Very interesting. I was checking out Vissapana on the net and found some interesting stuff. But aside from that I found a link to this site which is full of great free stuff including Vissipana meditation instruction... for anyone interested... http://www.buddhanet.net/ Inner Peace, Matt

Hi Charlie! nice to hear your story and welcome! I really liked primordial too. Matt

On Tenga Rinpoche... So last night I looked up Tenga Rinpche on the net to try and understand about him. I read a story about how in one of his incarnations he gave his trumpet to a boy and later when he reincarnated he asked this person for his trumpet back. The person, realizing that it was he who gave him the trumpet, gave it back to him. Well, in the last 24 hours a trumpet has come up repeatedly in my living experience. Hey, maybe the universe is trying to tell me something Matt

Peter, Depending on where you left off with inner alchemy, I would: 1) Practice coupling Sun and Moon (or your internal yin and yang energies) in the lower tan tien (the safe prereq would to have opened all you channels first although I know of a practice that couples heaven and earth throughout the wholebody without any prework, some of these folks have had bumpy rides though). There is a reason for the seven formulas based on many who have gone before us. If you can't trust in these practices, then find something else that you feel is right for you. 2) You obviously realize already that these practices start a process that is very real and seperate from the techniques that bring them about. Unfortunately, some get stuck in techniques though. 3) In HT inner alchemy, you would work up the tan tiens coupling Yin and Yang energies whether sun and moon or whatever polarities you can bring together. In each tan tien a different level of polarity is used starting with inner energies then bringing in stronger emanations that exist in nature. There are other techniques, yet similar techniques in sealing of the five shen. 4) If you are practicing a certain alchemy, then stick with it and avoid trying everything someone else says to do until you know inside for sure that you need it or that it will help you on your path. You can open up too quickly which can lead to many unpleasantries that can be avoided to some degree with sticking with a sound system. In the "end" though, no matter what system, "you" will be challenged beyond your deepest fear and you must find your own way. Just my thoughts, sorry if I am saying things you already know and if I have insulted your level of cultivation becuase I do not mean to sound like I know everything or what is best for you Matt

"so maybe you can sense it in another?" Yoda, Yes! Matt

Ron, So you did this for how long? It seems like you can't do it for long as they only allow 10 children to be born from your sperm. Pretty wierd to think that you could have children out there - anyway - I would have a difficult time with that. Since I have a vasectomy and am married with 3 children, don't have to worry about it. Interesting that 50 - 90% of donors are dropped beacuse of low sperm count, wow! My only question is, did they have good porn in the collection room? lol Matt

The Tibetan paradigm of rebirthing and verifying the rebirthing of spiritual masters is none the less than very interesting. For some odd reason though, I do not find a common experience personally or any similar references in other cultures / spitiritual traditions. Except perhaps in a reference to the white cloud of bliss that everything returns to and then it rebirths, however, this is different than the tibetan paradigm for the regular dude who misses enlightenment at death and thus reincarnates. Quite honestly, I totally disagree with the fixation on rebirth, karma, AND that there is no difference between life and death. Well except at a primordial level of course regarding no difference between life and death. We are spiritual beings having a human experience perhaps is more valid in my opinion. Inner Peace, Matt

Yoda, I think real estate is a great investment when done at the right time. Right now many people are starting to say that the bubble is going to burst - like the dot coms. By the time everyone thinks it is a great idea, it is too late. Everything goes in cycles and I am sitting on the side lines for now until the cycle goes the other way. Just my thoughts. Matt

Good discussion. Inner Alchemy can be viewed as learning how to die while you are still alive. Enlightenment can be realized at death or while alive. For those with near-death-experiences (in general) are no longer afraid for the same reason that the sage is not afraid. The sage integrates individual consciouness with the Universal while living. In a near-death-experience, it is generally just a glimpse but it is enough to change one for life. Many of my own spiritual experiences are have been pretty much the same as reported by those who have had near death experiencesbut there is always more. Yes it is bliss in one aspect Harry and also you are right that most people fear it, yet it is the one thing that is inevitable once one is born. Inner Peace, Matt

Sure Harry, for #1) it is better than not fully getting the orgasmic energy by going 60 - 70% of the way to orgasm. With a modified 3 finger / big draw, you have the orgasm but you bring this full orgasmic energy up. #3) as I said before, I felt like I was going to die from all the energy in my head and it was very difficult at times to bring it back down. I am not sure there is an easy way around this as from what I understand, a lot of other people have had the same experience. The key was not freaking and just doing whatever it took to ground. The raw sexual energy also can just super charge whatever emotional state you might be in (at this point one has not necessarily learned fusion). This can make for some volatile times at the expense of those around you. Matt

In my experience, there are at least the following considerations: 1) The reason that I feel that the 3 finger method is better is that you get orgasmic energy and "contain" it versus a 60 or 70 % method. That is not good enough in my experience (but works for some). 3 finger alone is not enough, one must be able to draw the orgasmic energy upwards into the brain / pituitary / crystal palace. 2) It is important to build it up and be able to stay in a state of orgasmic energy, and this means 99% of the way for a long sustained period. You must be able to go beyond your normal threshold in this regard. For most people, orgasm is as close as one gets to the Primodial. Imagine what it feels like when this is felt beyond your imagination throughout your entire being, coming through in wave after wave of mind shattering bliss, and that is a taste of spiritual ecstasy. A taste of you inner nature. Imagine that you can feel blissful whenever you are still. Learn to be able to really feel this energy and keep your attention on the sensation more so than on external stimalation. 3) One must conquer or sublimate the desire for orgasm for higher purpose and learn how to utilize it. This was very challenging for me. The techniques are potentially dangerous and I often felt like it was beyond my ability to work with the energy in the head. I at many times thought I was going to die with so much energy stuck in my head. This is where grounding is critical as well as techniques for bringing the energy down. This is before awakening and getting used to higher levels of energy. 4) Mind training is critical. Whatever that means to one, you will experience this for oneself. This can not be taught but must be experienced and worked through for oneself. The HT system, in my experience, did not prepare me into the no-mind states so be open to cultivating this aspect it may be what saves you in the end so to speak. 5) No matter what anyone else says, find your own Way. Find your inner guru or a way to connect with it and learn to listen. 6) One must have courage beyond what you rely on in day to day life to find Tao. It is not for the faint of heart. But it is there for everyone when they are ready. Realize the gravity of the path but do not become parilyzed by it. You CAN find the deeper levels of being! 7) Sexual practice is not necessay for eveyone. Some folks can practice the 7 HT formulas or other practice and get to the same place. If you fit the criteria for jing depletion, sexual practice is possibly warrented. If not, don't waste your time and follow what is right for you. The 7 HT formulas as transmitted from White Cloud to Master Chia DID NOT contain the sexual practices. I asked Winn about this and he said that White Cloud told Chia something like it was a given that one had either enough jing or a way of cultivating it and not depleting before starting alchemy. I asked David Twicken why he didn't put the sexual practices in his books and he said becuase it was too dangerous. 8) Accept that your partner may not think this is the greatest thing in the world the way you do and be willing to balance as necessary. 9) Master your technique via solo practice before introducing it to your partner unless he/she is as excited as you are to particpate. And then be prepared for some bumps anyway. 10) You do not need sexual cultivation to realize Tao. Yet it can be a valuable aid for some and can quicken the path. 11) The Tao will fry your fucking ass and even kill you if you are not adequately prepared. This is the reason that one should take their time in their practice (if HT, opening all the channels) or find a guru (you will be taking your chances there:) but there are good teachers out there just make sure it isn't a cult and talk to students before hand - people you trust). This is why wishing enlightenment on even your worst enemy was not even done. It can be too much too fast. HT gradually builds it up and the biggest hiccup for many is the sexual practice which is introduce after microcosmic orbit. 12) No matter what techniques you use there are still universal experiences. At some point, don't be afraind to explore other techniques if the ones you are trying do not work for you - yet, you MUST give them the chance otherwise your issue is not in the techniques but within yourself and you will know that but might not admit it. Enough rambling. Wow did I ramble. Just some thoughts on this topic. Bottom line, go with what you feel is right for you but realize we don't grow withou taking risks! Inner Peace, Matt