Spirit Ape

Geoball, So far you are the only one that I know apart my students and Master Terry Dunn that has mentioned the stuff of western alchemy and how close related it is to Daoist philosophy. I like your style and good luck on your quest friend! Sifu Garry Aka Ape

I found lots of stuff in bardon, jean Dubuis esoteric books that relate with Qi Kung and also helped me understand many chinese thoughts in western mindset! thanks again Ape

Just reading this book and funny enough it shares so many similarities to my Burning Palm and Iron Body methods using the elements with dan tian work! Thanks The Anti Apechrist

I said the same thing about the Horse stance and seated meditation, also interesting about the breath control sequence similar to my Burning Palm System and Flying Phoenix System of Master Terry Dunn. Ape

But its easy to sit and observe your breathing that is what you are doing with Flying Phoenix and Burning Palm System, these breath percentage is a hidden Key! Anyway good luck in your quest! Ape

The breathing ratio's ypu speak of in Flying Phoenix isnt hard to do and once you learn how and why they are done you have understood a lot about yourself. It hard for people that have no idea what the breath percentage is about. Ape

Nothing more powerful than the Tao just tap into it, its free no human will give you better results, unless you feel being transmitted is a way for you to let go easier than believing you are connected to the Universe or Tao or God whatever you wish to call it? Its all energy!!! How strongs your mind???

I think its true that each Nei Gung system develops its own energetics!

Please name the only instructors of Mo Pai around the world that I havent? Kosta American Guy (on youtube with chang) I think his name is Jim? Andrea or some Ozzy guy? Maybe some of the students of Chang in Indo? Did I miss any if so please post, I am not after learning it from anyone Im debating some of the info regarded thats been said that meditation will hurt you when The Mo Pai - Teacher I spoke with explained the same process as what I have known and seen in many arts. Im not here to bag Mo Pai that is not what im doing I think the system is good for the information I know and have heard but that is stuff Ive been taught anyway and that isnt within Mo Pai. You talk about Karma if you try and copy it or try and learn or teach it, well the level 1 I have heard and seen of MP is like mine so I guess im going to hell or have bad Karma, common dude that is just B.S. Debating is healthy, no ill intended in my questions or answers to people. I didnt say how to do level 2 i said it includes a packing process with movements that combine tension. If that is wrong please tell us why?

Please name the only instructors of Mo Pai around the world that I havent? Kosta American Guy (on youtube with chang) I think his name is Jim? Andrea or some Ozzy guy? Maybe some of the students of Chang in Indo? Did I miss any if so please post, I am not after learning it from anyone Im debating some of the info regarded thats been said that meditation will hurt you when The Mo Pai - Teacher I spoke with explained the same process as what I have known and seen in many arts. Im not here to bag Mo Pai that is not what im doing I think the system is good for the information I know and have heard but that is stuff Ive been taught anyway and that isnt within Mo Pai. You talk about Karma if you try and copy it or try and learn or teach it, well the level 1 I have heard and seen of MP is like mine so I guess im going to hell or have bad Karma, common dude that is just B.S. Debating is healthy, no ill intended in my questions or answers to people. I didnt say how to do level 2 i said it includes a packing process with movements that combine tension. If that is wrong please tell us why?

Cough COUGH!!! BULLSHIT!!!! LOL

LOL TheTaoBum, Looks like you joined just to say something of this thread so go a head? Karma in Mo pai teachers teaching people that they know will Hurt or KILL them AND Karma for wrong information, DOUBLE DA KARMA!!!!!

Isnt it logical to find the reason why it kills people or is it to try and scare people off by throwing a curve ball so they dont get the information or the level?

Isnt it logical to find the reason why it kills people or is it to try and scare people off by throwing a curve ball so they dont get the information or the level?

Until someone releases level 3 out to the public (if ever), why not find the reason why people are dying and what is happening, make a study on it and advance it so no one can die? Wouldnt that be what a GOOD SIFU would do, find a reason why there students are dying from a practice this is obvious wrong? just a thought?

How about NO PIE?

I havent revealed anything of Mo Pai that isnt found in my own arts and what I know is already out there and if Mo Pai level 1 and 2 is a secret then you guys are easily pleased. If I put up a clip of my basic levels of my Iron Body training chi kung that includes what is almost identical to Mo Pai level 1 and 2 am i letting out secrets? Hmmmm Maybe I could cash in on this one??? LMAO

Tell me how do you get bad karma from sitting and meditating with a good heart and intention? I think most of you that love the Mo Pai or wanna be Mo Pai are stuck in silly superstition, sorry if that doesnt sound right to you but Mo Pai level 1 is not a secret at all its normal Daoist and Shaolin chi cultivation. Even Kunlun level 2 is similar to Mo Pai level 2 with its breath retention also found in Shaolin and Daoist arts whats the big deal.

That guy, Hi mate, I dont know what you practice but if you get time, the horse stance is a lot more than what it is, similar to Jaam Jong (standing post) in other internal arts but little wider and deeper which makes it harder. If you into some physcial training squats, lunges can help train some muscle groups also. Good luck with it all, it can be done it really sorts out the weak minded and I guess its the test all my students go through in my arts. Funny seeing people say oh i CANT DO 5 MINS, but when you push them they get 10 and you say another minute they can do that so its all mind over matter. Ape Kung Fu = Hard work its true no easy way to develop its all hard work...

That Guy, G'day, cant tell you the source but I wrote the details only because people are making a fuss over Mo Pai levels 1,2 and when I found out I wasnt surprised but I can say that the order if obvious. When you have done Chinese Kung Fu for 30yrs things become a little brighter, if you think hard you can see a pattern. For example learn to breath properly (meditation) learnt to guide chi, learn stillness this is part of any Daoist or Shaolin tradition. Then you learn to develop body and stances, posture and then walking the horse. Each system develops the stance slightly different but the idea is or should be the same which is developing a strong mind! Not many do the Horse stance in kung fu these days cause the pain and suffering it gives. Most people rather would do push ups, iron palm, spar, kung fu forms cause stances hurt more and destroy your mind (if its weak). So most skip the most crucial part of development as well most only think of it as a physical muscular method which is sad. I come from a southern shaolin system which hold the stances different to the DEEP BOX like stances which I think can hurt your knees especially if you have knee problems. My horse the legs (thighs) are slightly pulling in and your weight is felt on the thighs you shouldnt be getting knee problems. 1 hrs a day is what you want to work up to eventually! I know its hard but Ive have students that do this for there 1st level grading its peoples minds that give up not the muscles, you can stand and walk all day on those legs so there is no excuses. Many postures start with your hands on your hips palms open as if you grabbing your love handles, the reason for this you dont want too much things going on in the beginning the standing is gonna be hard enough for now. Breath slow and deep in and out into the dan tian, when the legs are shaking and trembling, your mind will want to give up, bring your mind always back to the dan tian. You will see how the mind will scatter, you need to have that mind developed through the pain!!! Dont go to deep the knee's shouldn't go past your toes so make it in the beginning before the toes and work up to getting deeper later. Dont worry about hand postures for now, work on even breathing in and out dan tian, keep your posture relaxed, eyes closed or open if opened dont be looking around at things go into a trance state by following the breath finding and develop you dan tian. When finished doing all this your body is gonna be on fire, shaking you wanna bring all that back to the dan tian, just sit still and of course massage the legs a little and shake them out. Many kung fu peeps dont realize the secrets within the training methods not always the forms, they want forms and more forms and haven't build the structure and foundations which is the key. Remember to work up to an hr, start 5 mins and work up, or as you watch your favourite TV show, you can work the horse stance and during the tV commercials sit down and shake it out to help build it up. But its hard to watch tv and focus on your breathing at the same time as well dan tian, but as a basic practice to get your legs strong and used to it, its ok. My teachers famous words was "You are as strong as your horse"! He had to do his stances on in oil pit no shoes to learn to grip and root, and walk the stance through mud pit up to his hips pushing and forcing his way through it. gotta go bro, hope this helps for now! Ape

No websites I know of but most Taoist or Shaolin systems are based off Dan Tian. Many systems use hard and soft methods with force and no force to gather the energy in the Dan Tian. You gotta have a balance of both, but you have to be consistent and honest I cant remember who posted on this thread im to busy to re-read the whole lot but he was right about being honest and sincere dont lie to yourself and want a new level when you know you haven't achieved the previous level. Here is a saying in my art of Taoist internal of Hun Yuan Yi Qi Zhang secret transmissions -" When you understand energy you become a supernatural "Immortal" being". And "To comprehend Yin and Yang is to completely understand Hard and soft". The methods are easy and attainable but people get bored and give up cause there is sometimes 1 movement or 2 movements that repeat and people feel they want MORE, MORE AND MORE, when in fact less is more! Todays kung fu, chi kung have lost a lot of these methods due to the long hours one needs to practice, some prefer the fighting and lost the most important element behind there power which is cultivation of chi together with kung fu. I hear even John Chang was a Shaolin student at one stage, and like myself Shaolin is alot of Horse stances and standing practice which is hard and long. By the way (that is a key I just gave you). Hope that helps? Ape

Hi Trunk. I have 72 positions, to open up the body and build the dan tians in Sunn Yee Gung! Your on the right track bro! Ape

Mo Pai level 1 is nothing new seated meditation reverse breathing, long and slow mind on dan tian this is in all meditation in my arts, level 2 dynamic tension and breath retention is nothing new its found in both shaolin and daoist methods, most people just not aware of what its doing. Until you can better your health through the methods you wont be attaining any abilities IMHO! All these meditations and methods transform the body on different levels, it might take people longer than others depending on there health, there intent. Funny how people are still fantasising about stories.... Ape

do you mean something like a meridian system Dao Yin?

More Pie, Hey bro, my systems of Sunn Yee Gung has 72 levels of seated and standing meditations! Ape