liminal_luke

What counts as energy work? Sure, there´s moving energy around with your intent but what about everything else. Like breathing. Or movement or drinking a cup of tea. Energy is always moving; whether or not that´s work is up to you.

We´re all in such different places around the question of energy work between people here, and I think it´s helpful just to chill out and let other people do their thing. Some thoughts... Bums who do energy work in chat are neither more nor less spiritually evolved than Bums who choose not to. Bums that try energy work in chat and find that it´s negative for them are neither more nor less spiritually evolved than Bums who try it and have a positive experience. If a Bum has a negative experience during an energy exchange, that does not necessarily mean that there´s anything wrong with the Bum on the other side of the exchange.

Just to clarify...what you want to know is whether people do energy work/cultivation, work that might be their own personal practice and not discussed on the board? Or, do you want to know if people engage in intentional energetic interaction with members here, ie giving or receiving healings, transmissions, sharing presence, astral sex...etc?

Sexuality is Spiritual. But we live in a culture that judges sex and punishes it´s natural expression. We´ve tried, unsuccessfully, to push sexuality into the shadows but it just keeps bubbling up. (Thank God too, because if it did not bubble up we´d be in even worse shape.) As it is, the sexual impulse that emerges out of the shadow often lacks the spiritual purity it had before it was suppressed. Suppressed sex bubbles up in a deranged form, bubbles up chemically bonded with shame and rage, splintered off from love and affection. And this we don´t need. So what to do. How do we honor our sexual selves, the rightness of this strong and basic impulse, when we´re so mixed up? Can we say YES to sex and NO to rape, child molestation, human trafficking, prostitution, pornography, and unwanted catcalling of young women on the street? I don´t know. I don´t even know what to say no to. Maybe prostitution isn´t always bad? Maybe there are sacred whores healing whose job it is to heal this pathological division of the soul? Maybe some pornography is beautiful and good? I really don´t have the slightest idea.

How about for rheumatoid arthritis flare ups. Useful there? Thanks.

Maybe there´s another "Gods Playing In the Clouds." The one I know is from Michael Winn, a movement practice to get people into the groove of Lesser Kan & Li. But that´s probably not the one you´re thinking of -- or is it?

The purpose of life is to be defeated by greater and greater things. Rainer Maria Rilke

What a pity. To me, Jing of Tranquility sounds soothing and feminine in the best way, like water tripping gently over smooth stone. Perhaps it should be redubbed Jing of Misogony: The Ancient Chinese Roots of the Coming Nuclear Holocaust.

Cyber-brothel adjunct...I love that phrasing. I apologize if my attempts at humor in the Sexcapades thread or elsewhere stuck you as inappropriately bawdy. When it comes to sexual energy and such, I´m very much a new soul I´m afraid. At least metaphorically, if not literally. It´s so surprising to me that people would think to get into sexually provocative conversations in chat. There are so many other better places for that kind of thing in cyberspace. Liminal

Hi Jeff, Thanks for sharing your point of view. And I´m mostly agreed with you about leaving it open as long as there´s consent. Perhaps limiting it to private chats or private group chats (does such a thing exist?) so that people that just want more mundane chatter can do so easily in general chat. Of course, it´s possible for someone to give their consent and still end up getting hurt. People do all kinds of harmful things to themselves with their own consent -- eat junk food, smoke crack, gamble away all their money -- but what can you do? If we don´t have the freedom to hurt ourselves, we have no freedom at all. What´s this about banning yourself from chat? You´ll do as you see fit, of course, but I think that if you want to chat, you should chat. I don´t care how powerful your energy is, the chat room ought to be open for all. Jesus Christ himself could come down from above, and if Marblehead determines he´s not a spammer and accepts his application, he ought to be able to chat about pizza and politics just the same as anybody else. Why not? If someone is bothered by the divine vibes, I figure that´s their problem. I don´t think the Daobums is about any one thing. We´re all different and this place means something different to each of us. Some people love to debate politics in the Off Topic area and that´s about it. Others might want to participate in energetic exchanges in the chat area. As for myself, I find this website a great resource for finding out about potential practices. Right now both my partner and I are working with a Zapchen practitioner through Skype. I found out about the possibility of doing so through another Bum. Thanks for your reply. LIminal

Jeff, I´m not certain as we haven´t talked about it specifically, but I gather from the conversation that you are someone who does energy work/ transmissions with people. Is that true? If so, I wonder if you´d be willing to share your opinion here? (I get that you´d like to keep the conversation broad and not focused specifically on your group.) Do you think energy work between members should be allowed in Daobums. If so, where? General chat? Private chat? What safegaurds should be put in place to make such work safe for all involved?

Sometimes it´s not easy to say whether an energy is helpful or not. Take the case of Kunlun. People have all sorts of different experiences depending perhaps on how they practice and who they were before they started. (1) Some say there´s no snake energy and it´s great. (2) Some say that yes there´s snake energy but that´s a good thing. (3) Some say there´s snake energy and it´s crazy scary bad. Spiritual practice often pushes up against our blocks, against our shadow. And then there´s the issue of trauma brought up by BES. People can reexperience their traumas. Whether or not this is ultimately a good thing is very individual. I don´t know anything about the Light Group but perhaps some issues are similar. Sometimes a good transmission doesn´t necessarily feel good all along the way: Growing pains happen. Then again, not everybody wants to go the healing crisis route. Some aren´t ready for that.

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Not a fan of chat here either. I like composing my posts at leisure in the main areas of the board, and I´m a big editor -- something I couldn´t do in chat. Chat seems like it would provide more connection but it´s this weird in-between place for me, somehow too intimate and not enough all at once. A member once posted pictures of his home and a conversation got started about drinking mint juleps or some such on his veranda. That would be nice. Until then I think I´ll stick to my normal post writing.

Perhaps not, but I do. If people want to share protection 101 strategies in another thread, I´d be interested to read it.

And why would you want to? I personally love hanging out with awesomely powerful people and am glad to share this forum with you, with Jeff, and with all the others dynamic characters onboard. You know what they say: if you can´t stand the heat, get out of the nuclear reactor. We can´t legislate vibration. At least not the unintentional kind. The Daobums ought to be a place that rolls out the welcome mat for all that want to discuss what´s discussed here, be they immortal or satanically possessed. It´s all good until somebody calls someone else an asshole and then the mods can come in and do their thing. Unintentional transmission must be allowed no matter how noxious or heavenly the source. Things only get tricky, in my view, when we´re taking about intentional transmission. In that case the transmitter has a responsibility to inform the transmittee of potential risks and benefits and to put up safegaurds to protect innocent bystanders. If the transmitter lacks the skills to do so, they shouldn´t be transmitting.

Good points, Apech. I offered what I did out of personal experience (ahum), but realize full well that it´s a big world out there and there´s more to sex and sexual energy than I know. As far as the policy here at Daobums goes, I stand by my original post -- if there´s informed consent between two consenting adults and the exchange doesn´t interfere with the quiet enjoyment of other Bums, I think it should be allowed. Everybody knows that it´s prudent to wear a seat belt while riding in a moving vehicle. In Oregon, where I used to live, you could be fined for not wearing one. Here in Mexico, where I live now, you can ride dangerously if you like. I like Mexico better.

People have astral sex with strangers for the same reason that they have physical sex with strangers, for the same reason that they might gamble or eat chocolate chip cookies or buy too many shoes: because sometimes, when life has really knocked you around, fragmentation feels safer than integration.

Good point. We are always sharing energy, usually unconsciously, whether we want to or not. And sometimes that energy is sexual. But it´s one thing to simply be who you are, emitting your particular vibration in a natural way. Another thing to consciously set out to create an energetic happening in someone else with directed intention. Nothing can or should be done about the ordinary vibrational mixing that´s going to happen whether we like it or not, simply because that´s how things work. Intentional energy work is something else.

I´ll share some initial thoughts. Energy in any form should not be intentionally shared without informed consent. It´s just standard ethics, the same as for anything else. You tell people what you´re proposing to do before you do it, what the likely consequences will be, everybody gets to say yes or no. If the energy cannot be shared without misting casual bystanders with sexual vibes then don´t do it. This goes for any kind of conscious energetic interaction: healing, astral sex, hypnotic trance, shaktipat... whatever. Energetic exchange should not take place between Bums unless both members are over the age of 18. If the proposed energetic exchange might infringe on "quiet enjoyment" rights of other Bums, by making it impossible to have a normal non-sexually charged chat in the chatroom for example, then it should take place off-site. Liminal

Yes, I find that interesting and I´m trying to figure it out. That´s one reason I listened to an hour and a half of videos about NLP and double-binds. We all have opinions and I often disagree with people. Disagreement never gives me warm fuzzies exactly, but usually I can go about differences of opinion without feeling majorly irked. Take Brian, for instance. We disagree, I think, about many social issues. The one that sticks out in my memory now is about planned parenthood and the selling of fetal tissue. I´m generally more aligned with Ralis politically, but we have disagreements as well. Just recently, Ralis thought JoeBlast should of been sanctioned by the moderators for making violent comments (in this very thread, I believe) against Hillary. I disagreed saying that JB was just using colorful language. So what is it about disagreements with you that feel different to me than disagreements with Brian or Ralis? I do wonder about that. Here´s what I think it is: when we disagree they don´t attack my character. Maybe Ralis is right and it´s the double-bind thing. Take the example from the post I quote. (I bolded the part that contains the insult/ double-bind twist.) You imply that if someone "feels threatened" by you then they have a problem, a lack of confidence in their opinions. Either I´m OK with you (which I´m not) or I´m lacking in confidence (which doesn´t feel good either). So there you have it, a classic choice between two unwanted outcomes. Either way, I lose.

If I agreed with Karl I´d call his self-assurance certitude; since I don´t I´ll go with narrow-mindedness. (PS Let´s rename this thread Hillary, Trump and Karl.)

I like what Ralis says about degrees of double-bind. What´s a double-bind for one person, may not be for someone else, largely depending on a person´s ability to take a meta-stance outside the generally unspoken rules of the situation. Suppose Karl says....my view of reality is the correct one and if you don´t agree you´re wrong or bad. Is this a double-bind? If you´re the kind of person who grants Karl some sort of authority it becomes one. You either have to agree with Karl when maybe you really don´t (emotionally painful choice number one) or be wrong (emotionally painful choice number two). By stepping outside the rules of the system ...."I don´t really care because I see that his paradigm is a subset"...the potential to feel double-binded is neutralized.

Ok...I watched almost all of the first video. Lets see if I got this. (1) Have a strong ego and think for yourself. If you concede to someone else´s opinion, rather than standing up and thinking for yourself, that means you´re weak and therefore bad. (2) Agree with me. If you don´t agree with me that means your wrong and therefore bad.

"The past is never dead. It´s not even past." William Faulkner Bad memories and thoughts that bring sadness...these things are part of a person´s internal experience and exist in the NOW. Sure, they might seem to relate to the past but if they are happening now, well then they belong to the NOW just the same. Being in the now means not ignoring what is. What is might be happy or sad. It could be the smell of a rose or the stink of despair.