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Not all types of meditation are applicable or recommended at all times and to every kind of practitioner. What you pick as your practice matters based on your constitution. Have you tried moving meditation?
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After Self-realization, what else needs to be done?
dwai replied to dwai's topic in General Discussion
I think it will help to just share without reacting with anger or irritation. When we are âtriggeredâ, what degree of self-introspection do we undergo? Why should some individualâs opinions even trigger us at all? Iâm not suggesting that Iâm immune to this â but I find it a worthwhile endeavor to pursue. I donât believe in anonymity of internet handles. I know several of the folks here on a first-name basis. I think it helps change the nature of discourse when we know each other a little better, at a personal level- 211 replies
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Sheer genius- 211 replies
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Kalpataru-the ability to manifest any desired reality
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Kalpataru - Kalpa (imagination) Taru (Tree). This is the âwish fulfilling treeâ aka âkalpavrikshaâ. hereâs a meditation technique taught by Sadhguru -
Read Swami Lakshman Jooâs book called the âShiva Sutras â The supreme awakeningâ. It is what youâre looking for.
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How are you able to observe all these sensations without any thoughts then?
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Itâs very fascinating to see so many perspectives on a simple topic such as this. Thank you all for sharing your views Do bear this in mind that just because we may not agree on something doesnât mean we canât be friends... đ¤ As far as the âtruthâ is concerned, it is reputed to be able to set us free. I pray that all of us are freed from delusion in this very lifetime, and donât need to come back again once more (unless you want to).- 211 replies
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Beautifully articulated in your previous post. If you see carefully, Iâve not said anything about âunfoldingâ as that is in the context of the apparent personality, which may or may not continue. The one case for rainbow body I can see is when there is a desire to remain active in the human realm to teach/help liberate (aka the bodhisattva vow). That too is part of a view.- 211 replies
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You know...speculation -- what might or might not be the next steps P.S. -- One of the big things I find is that the tendency to objectify "Self" is very much prevalent. The reason Self-realization is not partial, or incomplete or has a "wait wait there's more" is because the Self is not a thing. It is not an object of knowledge like the body, or subtle body, or even the mind. It is that which knows. So when "realization" occurs, it is just a dropping of superimposition of the personality (which thinks it is a mind-body composite with history, with likes, dislikes, etc etc). The reason why one can't directly talk about it or even show it to another is because it is not an object that can be perceived by the sense-organs, or even the mind (intellect). It is a realization because once the veil of personality is seen through, there is no doubt about what the Self/True Nature is. There is nothing more to be done. The "individual" might think there is a lot more to be done...but in maturation of the realization one realizes the scope, breadth and range of this "Self/True Nature" -- Everything comes in its purview.- 211 replies
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The way I see it is â one either gets it or doesnât. Once one gets it, thereâs no more speculation about next steps.- 211 replies
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Seeing vs realizing. You mean like âintellectually knowingâ Vs. ârealizingâ? I thought I made it clear in the OP that I mean realization. Itâs like this â youâve been told that youâre something â letâs say a white British guy. But you didnât know about it prior to that, because you grew up in a neighborhood of Italians, and you even adopted their mannerisms, habits, etc. After you found out, you knew, but didnât beleive. But then you looked in the mirror, you went over your family tree and realized you were British all along. Self realization is along similar lines â when you realize your true nature, it is no longer âseeingâ, âknowing intellectuallyâ or even âunderstandingâ. we tend to ascribe that to karma. Now thatâs a very complex topic of discussion. Self is direct and simple. I disagree There is nothing else needed to be done or realized or converted once Self realization occurs. There are still things that (can) happen to the body-mind-personality in terms of dropping of karmic tendencies. Or not. It doesnât matter once the body is dropped.- 211 replies
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If you feel so moved to do it, by all means. If not, do something else. I know of many musicians who donât âpracticeâ but simply play. Once we learn the alphabet, do we still do â a for Apple, b for ballâ?- 211 replies
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It is perfectly okay to continue with whatever path weâve taken. There is no compulsion or necessity to do so. Also the whole spiel about not âbeing there after awakeningâ is a myth. âYouâ donât disappear. Just that you realize the personality-body-mind isnât you.- 211 replies
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Me doth think that thou dost protesteth too much- 211 replies
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If thereâs a classic âmatrixâ, then certainly that (^) is it. There are no chosen ones. Everyone is already free â thinking they are bound, thanks to their conceptual frameworks.- 211 replies
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Iâm certainly not planning to develop a rainbow body why should I end something which is going to end on its own anyway (sooner or later)? Is that how little you value life? Truth be told, Iâd been in a withdrawal mode for a few years, but thatâs beside the point. How would you or anyone else on an Internet forum know anything about anyone else if you donât interact with them on a regular basis? As far as merit is concerned â Why just me? Everyone is immeasurably meritorious already. Just need to drop the pretense of being separate beings in samsara. Iâm not a Buddhist, so donât buy into their mythology. Most of this stuff is basically just mythology. How many Arhants have you or anyone else on this forum met? Iâve met a few good and compassionate teachers, whoâve given me the directions to step out of delusion. For me, they are more valuable than unknown arhants and bodhisattvas. Wake up! Stop perpetrating the dream. If you donât, âthank you, come again!â- 211 replies
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I find that One and Two are sort of hand-in-hand. More delusion reduces more Self nature becomes apparent, until one day it shines forth like a thousand suns. That is the matter of realization. What Buddhists call Buddha nature, Hindu advaitins call it âSelfâ. They even call it âBrahmanâ or the expanding principle.- 211 replies
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I was pretty clear. Why donât you re-read what I wrote? Our views produce limitations. The way out of limitations is in the view, but also can be trap. It as applicable to me as to you or anyone else. I think the Buddhists articulate it in the form of rafts and crossing of rivers. Why does what Iâve written affect you so that you have to respond? if you think what I wrote is wrong, why does it bother you? Surely you wonât think others will be âmisledâ by me!?! Is it simply altruism that moves you to respond thus, or Is there a chance that my words cause in you a modicum of introspection, and leads you down an uncomfortable path? I donât mean to hurt anyoneâs feeling with what I wrote. Just asking questions about things that I find logically bewildering.- 211 replies
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I believe I covered the definition in the OP â Realize your true nature, become free from delusion and break the cycle of rebirth.- 211 replies
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Happy thanksgiving. I thank my friends here for all the agreements and the disagreements. I wouldnât be what I am without either đ¤
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There are realizations, and then there are narration of realization tales. The view limits the truth. The truth is only veiled. Veil dropped, all is One.- 211 replies
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Aha! Thatâs because most people donât accept the situation. A lot of the spiritual wisdom of the world is really stating the obvious â there really are no âsecretsâ per se And yet, when itâs the right time, for the right person, these very obvious truths can be life transforming. I agree â thatâs a wonderful thing to aspire for. We all should, and yet most are stuck in their dogged resistance to the inevitable, flailing at the proverbial windmills that life throws at us, like Don Quixote.
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Ok, letâs do a mind exercise. Letâs say youâre driving down a highway in a convertible. Not a cloud in sight. The sun is shining happily â wind blowing your hair softly. Suddenly, a thunderstorm rolls in, rains heavily, before you had a chance to do anything about it. By the time youâre done raising the roof, you are soaked, the hair that was softly flying in the wind is now a tangled mess, all clothes wet and uncomfortable. What option do you have except accept the situation? Do you have any option to not accept it? if you donât accept it, what is the outcome going to be? For you to work on your subtle or physical well-being, do you not have to take stock and accept that you are âunwellâ?
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Interesting discussion. It seems that to OP, âacceptanceâ of something connotes âan agreementâ to let whatever is happening happen. Which is not how I look at acceptance. Acceptance is acknowledgment of whatever has occurred. We donât have to like it if itâs âbadâ. We donât have to dislike it, if itâs âgoodâ. To me, acceptance is along the lines of âearth rotatesâ, âa thunderstorm rolls in, rains and disappearsâ, and so on. Acceptance to me doesnât mean âdonât do anythingâ, but rather an opportunity to recognize that something has occurred and take appropriate action (or not).
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Duality is a fallacy, a mistake that rises from the sense of separateness between a subject and any object of knowledge. Because there seems to be an object separate from the observer, it is inferred that the object must be a distinctly separate entity than the observer. One typically explains duality by stating that âbody and mindâ is âmeâ and anything else is ânot meâ, so there is indeed the subject-object duality. But through a series of phenomenological experiments one can quite easily realize, âthat which observesâ is not the body of the observer or even the mind of the observer. But rather, the body and mind âbelongsâ to the observer (I am) â which is merely a quality of knowing â consciousness. In fact even the sense that âI amâ canât be pinpointed to any part of the body (or attributed to any particular function of the mind). when we sit with this for a period of time in observation and contemplation the me and not me dichotomy falls apart. All knowing happens within âmeâ (the consciousness/knowingness) and there is no thing that can exist apart. One might then immediately counter with â âbut what if you donât see the object, but someone else does. Does that not prove that objects exist separately from subjects?â When such a question arises, ask yourself, âhow do I KNOW that such an object exists?â Have we ever known ânon-existenceâ without âexistenceâ? And has any knowing been possible without consciousness?