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This one upanishad is adequate for spiritual awakening. May you awaken right now It’s very ‘cool’ to want exotic and mystical experiences. I’ve had many. But these are still experiences. When you realize who you truly are, reality stands revealed as it is — we can find the infinite and self-luminous One (Tadekam) in and shining forth through the infinite phenomena that make up the universe itself.

Not coincidental at all. Phenomenologically, at that level, the experiences are identical -- only colored slightly differently due to cultural context.

Yes. Once the mind settles, a clarity arises -- and then the true (and hidden in plain sight) meanings of teachings start becoming apparent.

I'm not suggesting that it is I think people tend to get caught up in labels so much that they miss the underlying essence of what is being practiced (or what is being alluded to). My own teacher is the highest level adept that I've seen -- his practice of more than 50 years has established him in a state of such bliss, that his very presence will trigger that in others. He teaches the ming way for most people. A few of us have also been shown the xing way (mind you, the xing/ming labels, I'm ascribing -- he doesn't refer to the practices in this way). I did find that most 'daoist' people don't seem to know about xing work at all. Which makes me think that it is either a very closely guarded 'secret' in the modern daoist circles, or simply unknown to most. Yet, as is described and explained, the Xing cultivation is more in the realm of Zen Buddhism or other non-dual traditions such as Advaita Vedanta/Kashmir Shaivism.

maybe this will shed more light ---

@freeform, everyone has off days. TBH i find the neidan/neigong distinctions very arbitrary. I prefer instead the Xing and Ming cultivation paradigms. Before we can start off on xing, Ming cultivation is needed. But eventually for spiritual growth, xing is what we need to work with. As you know, my xing cultivation is via the Indic tradition of Advaita Vedānta. Though I’ve also experienced and practiced tantric yoga as well. All these traditions more or less lose their distinctive flavors as we start working with/on consciousness. Consciousness is one without a second and everyone has it (whether they know it or not).

Wow! Yeah...those ARE real gems hiding in the weeds. I only get to witness the shenanigans second hand, as I have the usual suspects blocked for a while now. It is amazing how a couple of noisy individuals manage to vitiate the atmosphere for the rest of us -- what they say about rotten apples spoiling the bunch is quite apt. Yeah I thought about it too. I think if someone makes a one-off post, the risk for that would be significantly lower than say someone who trolls every thread of other members. I'm not sure who's running this website now (or if anyone is, actively doing anything at all) - its a internet discussion forum, so I'm not really worried that world peace will be disrupted (or brought about) here...stakes are not that high imho. Sometimes the incivility follows us around like stalkers

Yes. Simple...encourage a model of discourse such that people are civil to each other, in spite of differences of opinions. This is the reason the trouble-makers have been banned from here before. For those who can't self regulate, a public voting system should ensure whether they should lose their posting privileges for specific period of time. I don't think banning is a good solution -- but too many people hide behind their internet aliases and think it gives them the freedom to be asshats... Implementing a system where negative points will result in their posting privileges auto-suspending for 7 days etc might be far more productive.

@freeform I think @Spotless is suggesting that there is no distinction between qigong and neigong in his mind (I could be wrong of course, but knowing him, I can warrant a guess). Even in the style of internal training I've undergone -- the grandmaster, Waysun Liao doesn't distinguish between qigong and neigong. He calls it all Daogong. The practice is called "Temple style tai chi" but it incorporates practices I've encountered from Neidan, Neigong, Qigong, other Daoist meditations. I was told that this is the way he learnt from a wandering Daoist monk in Taiwan, and that is how he transmits the training to two of his long-term students, who in turn transmitted it to me (and my other Kungfu brothers/sisters). I think it really depends on the teachers -- especially those teachers who immigrated to the West in the 1960s and 1970s, taught in the old way -- they didnt' have a damo mitchell to translate and organize the knowledge for a western audience. The main thing is, the proof is in the eating of the proverbial pudding...has one's practice been able to help them develop equanimity? Cultivate stillness and being present? Psychic powers are a curious side-effect...not the main objective. More important is -- What is the quality of their life? Are they mainly happy and at peace in their lives? How do they interact with their environment (and people therein)?

Is it a sign of times, that Daobums has degenerated to this extent? I can remember a time when visiting here was actually an uplifting experience. Now it seems to be filled with rancor and nastiness. The lumpen elements have free reign...

I'm part of no one's agenda. I have the ability to check...so if people are interested, I can scan them and tell what's going on.

Hi, how do you know you had active kundalini? Did you have a practice that awakened the kundalini? If so, can you describe? And what do you mean by feeling stagnated? Are you open to being checked on remotely? Just a scan to see what might be going on?

This might be of interest to you —

Usually one graduates from xinyi to bagua to taijiquan (I’m sure Some people will Vehemently (dis)agree)

Wrt Bogarnath, my yoga teacher said he was being guided by Bogar. His form of yoga was Tamil siddhar yoga and was very powerful — not the kind you’ll see in a western yoga studio. Serious tantric stuff It helped open up my central channel.

From my more immature days — https://www.medhajournal.com/the-mechanism-of-maya/

I like nice people. So I stand with you too Luke (fwiw — not that I’ve been paying attention to the noisy ones — both are on my ignore list). I think it’s beautiful when people stand up for other nice people.

@Pilgrim might be able to help

All of you open your third eyes and chat directly. Why do you need a chat app for that? 🙄😇

My teacher says the martial stuff is lowest level of taijiquan. Highest level is spiritual transformation. In the temple style system we have seated and physically static standing meditations...not just moving form practice (which good for circulation of the Qi). There are so many levels to these teachings - most don’t go beyond the outer door stuff, hence long forms etc.

These are words of profound wisdom — I’d advise those who can’t understand what’s being conveyed to really get back to diligent practice and keep revisiting this post every once in a while (for some it might take months, for some it might take years). When it starts making sense, you’ll know you’ve entered the gate of knowledge and wisdom.

I had the same realization many years ago. It wasn’t easy for me to sit still and ‘meditate’, so I took up taijiquan (a type of qigong). It turned out to the be the full kit and kaboodle with its own sets of inner alchemy and meditation practices. Not all systems have this — to find one which does, and have good teachers is a matter of great fortune. The purpose of any of these mind-body practices is to still the mind — bring about a degree of quietude so the root/essence of our being becomes revealed. Qigong, yoga, meditation practices are all means to one end — Spiritual awakening or realization (some call it Self-realization, some call it Nonself-realization, some others will call it something else). If we don’t get distracted by the lure of powers, they are very potent transformative and preparatory practices for real “meditation” (called samādhi in the Indian traditions).

All of our temple style taiji breathing is LDT breathing. This carries into all breathing, pretty much all the time.

Sharing such information with a troll is like casting pearls before swine. I’d already checked out Gasmaster’s “level” when he started becoming belligerent and acting like a spoilt brat. He’s at most a level 3 — very strong third chakra condensation — usually such people are extremely egotistical — so no surprise there. Just ignore him — he’s getting his thrills from all the attention he’s seeking.

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