fiveelementtao

Best to find a live teacher to learn from. use books only as supplementary tools and run them by your teacher.

Why the Quickest? What's the hurry? You spent alot of years creating the problem. You can take your time fixing the problem. Perhaps patience is part of your recovery. If you are going to stimulate yourself, you need to release. Otherwise you are going to create heat with the sexually stimulated sperm. If you keep it in your body it can heat you up and cause further decay. If you wish to use celibacy as part of your recovery, it is best that you avoid any sexual stimulation. Sexual techniques for semen retention will only make things worse. It is also a good idea to physically seek out TCM person. Do not take any advice from a forum, internet or books. Seek out a professional.. Another option is to find a girlfriend and only have sex with her. Sex with a partner can help heal imbalances. Most likely your preature ejaculation is not from masturbation. It may be psychological. In any case, find some professional help. my.02

You want names? I don't do that. However, just on this forum and on one other forum there have been numerous people who caused themselves not only physical problems like splitting headaches that don't go away, Tingling and numbness in the extremities, insomnia, intense fear, anxiety, not to mention major psychological issues like frightening hallucinations. Some experienced what they perceived as demonic attacks and hauntings from playing around with the pineal gland. and that was after learning from an instructor. So, if these kinds of things can happen when someone practices proven techniques improperly it stands to reason that someone can cause themselves problems just by experimenting on their own. Sure, but that doesn't mean that it is advisable to stick needles in your eyes or smash yourself in the head with a brick. Even the body's self-corrective capabilities have limitations especially if someone continues with harmful techniques... It is still possible to cause oneself irreparable damage... But it is not even necessary to employ these techniques. One can achieve very high levels of energy attainment without using techniques that stimulate the upper centers directly. Any "basic" qigong if done correctly over time will eventually reach these centers naturally and safely. As I wrote in another thread, our grandmaster told some of us that he himself practices one standing posture every day for 45 minutes. That is his highest practice. Basic stuff like lower dan tien breathing and standing postures will open all the meridians safely and in the proper order...

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wise-men-ancient-text-differs-bible-tale-magi/story?id=12460820 The most interesting part (to me) describes Christ as one of many avatars more like another avatar of Vishnu...instead of the ONLY avatar.

TF, I'm sorry if you were hurt or offended by my post. If I have assumed incorrectly about you, I apologize but I am doing my best with the vague information you have provided. My apologies. I am trying to learn from you about this subject and I am sharing my honest reactions to your posts which are very vague and without specifics... I was not nor am I now upset, offended or angry with you. The title of your thread says "Discuss, debate and vent out frustration" I am trying to discuss, but there are no specifics to discuss. You suggest debate and I am trying to debate, but you do not intelligently defend your position when asked about it. So, the only thing left to do is to "vent out frustration." I am not frustrated in terms of spiritual knowledge so... I guess I don't see the point in being frustrated if you are not interested in finding solutions... So, TF my friend, since you do not wish to discuss with me or explain it to me, I will retire from your thread and allow you to vent your frustrations... I hope you are able to find the knowledge that you seek.. Peace...

Our grandmaster once said that if you practice one standing posture every day until you can do it for 45 minutes a day, you will achieve mastery. When asked, "which one?" he said, "It doesn't matter. Just pick one and stick with it."

I have experienced that also, my friend... Not fun... Sounds like you were suppressed as a kid. One or both of your parents punished you when you tried to voice your anger or discontent? Or perhaps whenever you needed to speak up and "voice your truth" you were shamed and told to be quiet? I'm just guessing... I could be wrong... Working through this with a therapist is the best long term solution (IMO). outside of that, meditating on the throat chakra and journaling your feelings might help. perhaps while in meditation, you can imagine yourself as a little kid and allow him to share with you his anger and sadness about not being allowed to speak his Truth... This has helped me. It may mean alot of crying and grieving. I salute your bravery...

I would advise against experimenting with anything like this without a teacher's guidance. It is very easy to seriously injure yourself by playing around with energy in your head. There are some good techniques and teachings for using energy in the ways you describe but there is also considerable danger if done improperly... It is possible to permanently and severly injure yourself.

Hi TF, No, you did not anger me or offend me. I also want to be helpful like you do in sharing the knowledge. You bring up a very good subject that deserves further inquiry. I am merely seeking to inquire from you in a more specific way how we can fix this problem. But you have not given any specifics from your life as to how you personally are being prevented from learning this knowledge you speak of. And you still have not said what exactly it is that you want to learn. If we knew the specifics, then perhaps someone on this forum might be able to help you find a teacher, thereby fixing the problem for you. Bringing what exactly to public? Knowledge? Ok... Specifically what knowledge are referring to? in what ways will this help people? Can you be more specific? Who specifically are the elites? In what ways are they hiding knowledge from you personally that would change the world so quickly? Give some concrete examples and perhaps we can help you fix the problem. OK... So, are you saying that because you have chosen to have a family that you do not have time or resources to seek out spiritual teaching? OK, I can understand that. But, that was your choice. You could have chosen to seek spiritual teaching as some of us did. I, myself, chose not to have a relationship or get married until I was 45. So, I was able to spend 20 years seeking out knowledge. I had the opportunity many times to have a family or start a career, but I chose to seek knowledge instead. It was a difficult sacrifice at times, but it was important to me. You could have done the same, but you chose to have a family instead. If what you say is true and you do not have time or resources to learn, then even if this knowledge was given to you, it sounds like you wouldn't have the time right now to learn it anyway because of family obligations. So, how is that someone else's fault? Well, I am asking you to be specific. Otherwise it's just talk on a forum. In terms of "serious" research, in your OP, you mentioned one scenario from a book by Blavatsky that was totally inaccurate. Had you seriously investigated that further you would know that it was innacurate. So, are you only getting this information from books or videos and TV?... Perhaps, you are right and there is knowledge that is being withheld. So, please be specific so we can investigate it together and then DO something about it. But reading about information and making an effort to find this information is two different things. There are quite a few people right here on this forum who have traveled around the world to learn "secret" knowledge and they are actively sharing this to anyone who asks. I myself was able to learn alot of stuff without ever having to leave Los Angeles. My personal experience tells me that this stuff is everywhere if one is willing to look for it. If what you are saying is that you are mad because someone does not come knocking on your door to teach you this knowledge... Well, what are the chances anyone is going to do that for anything?. You will have to make some effort and be clear about what you want or nobody will know you exist. But you still haven't even specified the exact knowledge that you yourself want to learn. So, even if someone wanted to come to your house and teach you, they wouldn't be able to because you haven't specified what it is that you want to learn. This is why I said it sounds like what you want to do is simply complain. Because you don't seem interested in putting any effort into trying. And based on what you have written here, it seems to me that you don't even KNOW what it is exactly you want... So, how can anyone help you?

Any Kundalini Yoga instructor can teach you about Sat Nam rasayan. I suggest looking for an instructor. KAP is "Kundalini Awakening Process" Shaktimama is on this discussion forum and is an instructor for KAP. Contact her about KAP. Tantra means "technique or discipline" Yoga means union. Tantra is part of Yoga. Again Niklas... You will have more and more questions. I do not think that asking a bunch of questions on a discussion forum is the best way to learn about kundalini yoga. I encourage you to get up from behind the computer, find some books and begin reading and most importantly go and find a teacher you can learn from who can answer all your questions for you....

Who are "they" and how are "they" suppressing this knowledge? Which traditions do you want to learn that you have been denied access to? have you made any efforts to learn a discipline? I'm sure if there were a specific discipline you wanted to learn, someone on this forum could point you toward a teacher. I hear you complaining about being denied knowledge, so I want to know what you are doing about uncovering and learning this knowledge other than complaining about it on a discussion forum?

Since YB died, it has become easier to distance the practice from the cult. It was pretty bad there for awhile, when he was in his heyday. I agree with you that in India, Kundalini Yoga is not a name for one system of yoga. It is a name more about any high level practice that focuses on Kundalini. It is mostly found in the more esoteric parts of shaktiism and tantric Shaivites. YB drew from many of these sources. I have found that YB told pretty much the truth when he said that these types of Kundalini Yoga were only taught to initiates in secret until YB began teaching it openly. There are a couple of exceptions out there, but none as well known as YB...

Here is one of the books by swami sivananda http://www.amazon.com/Kundalini-Tantra-Re-print-Satyananda-Saraswati/dp/8185787158/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b We also have KAP instructors like Shakti Mama here on Taobums. Might want to give them a looksee..

That is a very deep question which will get you different answers depending on whom you speak with. I suggest finding a teacher. The answer to that question will not be answered in a forum post, IMO. Find a teacher...

That's not entirely true. That is the story that Yogi Bhajan told. Yogi Bhajan was a brilliant teacher, but he was notorious for not being entirely truthful which he himself admitted to. Bhajan claims to have learned mainly from Sant Hazarah Singh. But when investigated, there is very serious doubt about that. Bhajan traveled around India for much of his life learning from different masters. The truth is there are other versions of practices labeled as Kundalini Yoga and they came before Yogi Bhajan's version. Bhajan's version is a syncretic mix of different kundalini yogas and his understanding of Sikh mysticism. In reality, bhajan's version is not entirely Kundalini Yoga. Yogi Bhajan trained mith numerous traditional Hindu yoga masters including hatha, raja and kundalini styles and synthesized them into his own style which he called Kundalini Yoga. He was a very devout Sikh and so he infused many sikh beliefs, mantras and rituals into his style of yoga. traditionally kundalini yoga is practiced from a tantric hindu perspective. Bhajan replaced much of that with sikh religion influences It is very good stuff. I echo the sentiment that to get the most out of it, one may consider getting past the strong sikh influence. Traditional sikhs do not practice Bhajan's style of yoga and many sikhs do not appreciate Bhajan's style of Sikhism. IME, when I was practicing Bhajan's yoga, I also sought out Sanskrit mantra and tantra as they are more traditionally connected with kundalini yoga. Bihar school of yoga teaches a more traditional style of Kundalini Yoga. They have a few really good books out there that I recommend to anyone seeking kundalini yoga. Their website is gone sadly. But you can find books by Swami Sivananda saraswati. Those are quite good, IMO. Bhajan's yoga is, as I said, IMO very, very good. It is a fire practice though, so, I advise caution if anyone plans on mixing it with deep Taoist practices. KY is a very forceful practice as opposed to much of Taoist practices. Depending on what taoist practices one chooses to mix it with, it can cause energy imbalances. So, I suggest, choosing one practice and sticking with it or make sure you have a good teacher to help mixing the two practices. And also be aware that Bhajan's yoga is pretty much a cult at the deeper levels. So, keep that in mind when you seek out instruction.

Good question. I do not necessarily think that energetic accomplishments are separated from spiritual accomplishment per se. Everything is spiritual. Everything is made of energy and spirit. It is we who make the distinction between physical and spiritual. But reality itself does not make this distinction. I believe the mindset that wants to view energy work as being something separate from physical reality will also want to make them more 'spiritual.' The tendency to overspiritualize energetic accomplishments IMO comes from a dualistic mindset. As with the witch hunters of 300 years ago who felt that anything supernatural was evil. Nowadays, people have swung in the opposite direction and feel that anything supernatural is spiritual. So, energy accomplishments are just like anything else. Neither good or bad. One reason I am attracted to pre-christian european practices is because 2,000 years ago in europe there was no distinction between the physical and spiritual realms and consequently, there was no abitrary attachment of judgement such as "spiritual' and "non-spiritual." Everything just WAS. Supernatural abilities were viewed just like anything else, it could be good or evil or neutral. Wizards could be good or evil just like everyone else. Nowadays, however, if someone shows supernatural abilities, our first inclination is to believe they are enlightened. This knee-jerk reaction makes them more seductive. The idea that we NEED something outside of us to transport us to enlightenment comes from a place of insecurity. IMO, all destructive actions stem first from a place of insecurity, a place which says, "I am not enough as I am. I need something outside of me to save me. I need siddhis." I don't know if I answered your question. But as always, it is only my opinion for today. Tomorrow I may feel differently. I myself still practice alot of energy work and I get alot of health benefits from it, both physically and emotionally. But energy and accomplishments in and of themselves are neutral but my REACTIONS to them determine how I use these abilities. So, for me, the only real litmus test is if I can be helpful to both myself and others.

I am making a distinction between energetic accomplishments and spiritual accomplishments. Rainbow body, IMO does not necessarily mean enlightenment. It means energetic accomplishment. IMO, it is possible to become an immortal or even a god and still be trapped in the illusion of self... IMO and IME, Siddhis are, at best, nothing more than an entertaining distraction. At worst, they can actually retard one's spiritual evolution. Unfortunately many believe that siddhis are a sign of spiritual achievement. I disagree. Siddhis can be used as a means to strengthen one's spiritual practice because they show the person that there is more to reality than meets the eye. But, they can also give one ego delusions and even further separate them from spiritual truth. IMO, the highest form of enlightenment is compassion. No one needs siddhis to practice compassion... Just my opinion...

I myself am too lazy for siddhis The unspoken assumption I hear when I read from those who believe that these abilities are being hidden from them is that these abilities are as easily learned as tying your shoelaces. Five minutes and presto! you're John Chang! IME, siddhis do exist but they do not bring fulfillment or enlightenment any more than huge muscles from bodybuilding. I sought after them and had some minor experiences but then I realized that siddhis had no practical use in my day to day life or in my relationships. Nor did they bring the fulfillment I expected. From those whom I have met whom I believe do have siddhis, some of them are very immature, unhappy and bitter. Their powers have isolated them from others. They are very lonely and egomaniacal. But, the other aspect is that they worked really, really hard... sometimes 8 hours a day for years to get their abilities. In the end, it is not so different from training to become Mr. Universe. You need some genetic predisposition, and lots and lots of hard work. What's more is that some of those I mentioned have personal lives that are an absolute train wreck and they seem to have overlooked the natural siddhi abilities that all people have but remain largely unrealized. For those truly interested in siddhis that we all have, I recommend a book called "The Intention Experiment" by Lynne McTaggert. It gives credible scientific evidence to the idea that we are able to create reality with our mind... But it shows that we can destroy with our minds just as easily... So, in the end, seeking happiness and enlightenment still is the highest siddhi...

Not anymore... My apologies...

So are you saying that siddhis are only siddhis if YOU don't know how to do them? We do all kinds of things today that 100 years ago would be considered siddhis. Even if these skills do exist like levitation etc.., what makes them siddhis instead of little known science tricks? IMO as long as you believe in the concept of siddhis being supernatural because they are beyond your abilities, then no matter what siddhis you learn, you will want the ones you think you can't have. In your case sloppy, you have asked about certain abilities that are available to you in many directions from numerous people, yet I have not seen you actually take the time to find them... do you REALLY want to learn them?

Would Pygmie tribespeople who have never seen a bodybuilder think that Lou Ferrigno has siddhis? If so, would they still believe in siddhis once they learned that he got his physique from lifting weights for hours every day for many years? At what point do siddhis stop being supernatural and just become lots of hard work?

Well, First off Helen Blavatsky has it backwards. The brahmins did not emerge after Buddha. They existed before him and Buddha was the one who taught against the caste system of the brahmins and opened up spirituality to all castes and both sexes. This is one reason he became so popular... But, from those who believe that secret knowledge is being kept from them, I would be interested to know: How do you see this secret knowledge being transmitted to you? By books. Free teaching? How easy or difficult would it be to teach you this knowledge? What do you know about the methods that are used to teach the knowledge that you already consider secret? Is this secret knowledge something everyone could easily learn if they were exposed to it? Or would there be some who even if they had this secret teaching right in front of them, they would still be unable to absorb it? What is the average age of those who believe that secret teachings are purposefully being withheld from them? What lengths would you be willing to go in order to learn this knowledge? How far and how long would you go search to learn it? Or do you believe it should come to you? What if any responsibility do you have if you were given full access to this knowledge?

I completely agree Immortal and that is exactly my point. every single new testament scripture as written at least 100 years AFTER christ. the wise Men scripture was dated to the 3rd century so that puts it WELL within the same time frame as any other Jesus scripture. Seeing as how there is ample written record from the church fathers themselves reccomending that all gnostic gospels be destroyed and those who copy or carry them be killed, that makes this gospel even more likely to be authentic since it survived the church purging. I am not saying one way or the other whether this one or any of them are true. In terms of textual criticism, (according to church dogma, no less!) the rule is that the older the extant physical text, the more likely it is to be "authentic." the Nag hamaddi library are the oldest extant christian scriptures, so by the churches own standards, the gnostic gospels of Nag Hammadi are the most reliable and probably closer to the original than the four church gospels. That means my favorite "the gospel of Thomas" (according to the Church standard of authenticity) is more reliable than Matthew. In that text, Jesus had much more in common with taoists, buddhists and hindus than with modern christianity. I highly reccomend it to anyone.From the gospel of Thomas... Talk about impeccable intent!

Prince... Your biases are showing... If you are really serious about proving your point, you need to be able to back up what you are saying with more than just calling everything that contradicts church theology "bullshit." Then why the angry, generalized, profanity laced naysaying with no evidence to back you up? I think many here are interested in your views if you can present them with some reason and evidence. Again I remind you, you came on this thread to call the OP bullshit. If you have credible, objective sources... share them...otherwise I don't see how profanity helps your position...

IMO, Enlightenment is not a destination. It is a process. I believe these types of experiences are merely interesting stops along the way. Enjoy it, then move on to the next one...