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The Scripture of the Definitive Methods of the Precious Spirit. This book is recommended at the end of "Teachings of Chung and Lu" However I can't seem to find this book anywhere. The national library of Australia has it (in chinese) http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/624877 Has any of you looked into this book? What does it contain ?

Well, I certainly read an account about the letters of ancient China. There was a sign - "eight people" that is linked to 船 - ship. It seems to point the entry of the eight people of Noah's family into the ark. This event took place in 3000BC , and the invention of Han characters by Cang Ji took place shortly afterwords. There is some book that analysed more than 130 Han characters, and studied possible blood links between ancient Hans and Noah... They said something about Japheth beeing linked with beauty of nature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Noah#Japheth.27s_descendants The book of Enoch talks in detail about these events. There are links with the mysteries of Egypt, aliens, giants, and many other things. Any info that can help us grow in cultivation is welcomed on this forum.

Hi Wilson, I sent you a message. Peace and Blessings

I read about a discussion between two enlightened buddist monks... don't remember where The youngest asked the master about the quickest way to reach enlightment, and the master replied there are many paths, but the quickest is through sound. Did any of you reached enlightment this way? Can you share specific sounds, ideas, etc? I found a very special file on youtube that really works at quieting the monkey mind. The frequency of the sound has deep and profound effects, has some vibrational qualities. Please share your thoughts.

Thanks a lot ! I found a reference to this "Penetration Through Sound", the first of the "Twenty-five Methods of Complete Penetration" http://www.purifymind.com/SurangamaSutraChan.htm "When questioned by the Buddha, I interpreted them correctly and the Tathagata sealed my awakening by naming me Ajnata (The Wondrous Sound Is Secret and Complete). I attained Arhatship by means of sound. As the Buddha now asks about the best means of perfection, to me sound is the best according to my personal experience." It seems that this method of enlightenment through sound is also used in Zen (sometimes reffered to as "suizen" or blowing zen)

In Mysterious Scripture of the Grand Cavern one can read about The Five Difficulties 1.Giving to the poor when one is oneself poor 2.studying the Dao when one is rich and powerful 3.Controling one's destiny to achieve deathlessness 4.Being able to see the scriptures 5.Being born at the time when the Sage of the Latter Age will appear One difficulty which I see is controlling your thoughts when there are drips in the sea of consciousness. If someone would inject you with steroids directly in the brain, would you "ride your thoughts" or would you "being ridden by the thoughts"? Could you maintain perfect clarity and stillness in these conditions? Or someone who is awake and already enlightened, can maintain his enlightenment when somebody physically covers his pineal gland with toxins and steroids? Can a person lose his enlightenment? And if yes, how can he get it back if he has the difficulties described above?

Well, there have been some interesting replies. I agree with you, the concept is to remove the dust, to return to your inner child, to lose rather then to gain. Yesterday on another post I read about a story in which initial stages of meditation induced emotions like anger, crying, anxiety - and then the guy stopped the meditation just when he started to make some progress. The reason I posted here about this sound is because a really cool story about a friend of mine. He took a lot of ginseng for many years and then became ill with some autoimune disease. The doctors prescribed him steroids (prednisone). Apparently the steroids combined with ginseng gave a really nasty effect, and he become manic for a couple of days. I know this as I visited him at the hospital. Anyway, they released him, and after a couple of years in which he complained of constant tinnitus, I met him the other month. He showed me this picture He said that one day he listened to the sound of tingsha bell Meditation (see the youtube link) on loud volume, and felt that something vibrate inside of head. Then felt that something breaks into pieces and had a terrible headache for 2 days. He is a very quiet guy, but in these 2 days he said he became very agitated like being on steroids again. And here comes the big thing: on the third day he experienced a surge of melatonin and slept like a baby, best sleep in the last 15 years. The only reasonably explanation for this (and I agree with him) is that his pineal gland was covered with toxins (from the steroids doctors gave him). You all hear about fluoride and calcification of pineal gland. He always felt something was there and when he went to sleep, he felt his head trembling (maybe the release of melatonin was blocked by toxins ?) . Anyway, after he heard the sound, the pineal gland which is crystal and has piezoelectric qualities, went into vibration. The things on it shattered in pieces, and he is now a changed man. No tinnitus, no disease, just cool, relaxed. He listens to the sound every day now and said it reminds him of some feeling from his childhood. I know this guy from 5th grade so I know he's telling the truth, we're good friends. There must be something with the sound after all, otherwise it would not be called Medicine Buddha ... Of course this is not full Enlightenment, maybe some initial phase. The thing is, I read a story about a Zen monk. One early morning, while he was listening to the monastery bell, he experienced the small temporary enlightenment. After many years, more experiences and meditation, had two or three experiences like this (only longer and deeper?) and then he obtained full definitive enlightenment. So I think there must be something to this.

I found here http://damo-qigong.net/qigong/excise/page101.htm a picture with the nine steps of "disciplining the heart" The picture is bellow (just click it) However I do not understand what the symbols mean. (and the chinese characters) And about the timing - these nine steps must be done before one starts the waterwheel or it is something that goes parallel with the Internal Alchemy practice? Please enlighten me with this - I have searched for an answer and found none...

Hi Matt, and thanks for sharing your wonderful experience ! I found a great video for the heart. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMv1JXuI4d8&feature=related Inner Smile and heart healing sound seem to be very healing too. I must implement all these into my daily practice. Please share more info about the heart meridian.

Hi Non, I am also a weak person. When I was dumped by a girl I loved much, I went home and was kinda restless. In my mind i wondered: "Is this the faimous lovers pain - which killed so many? What exactly is this pain, did I lose something now that I am alone ?" Then I searched the internet and I found a taoist text that changed my pain forever . http://www.sacred-texts.com/tao/ltw2/ltw290.htm Love and blessings to you , my friend.

Hi. I read Yin Convergence Classic but never read this words... they are on a very high level... Hexagram 23 and "Life is an endless inconceivable mysterious wonder." Where do you take this from ? What kind of books did you study ? Is there a book that has this comments ?

Well I certainly see a trend. I also have a feeling that something is unfinished here... Remember the old Taoist saying. "When the Jing is full there is no more sexual desire" Look at the article bellow. The mystery of Jing is contained within it http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17656564 PPAR Gamma is a human receptor involved in fatty acid storage and glucose metabolism. When we are little, we tend to have little adipocyte (fat cells) and strong bones filled with marrow (where the Jing is). As we age, a switch is activated in stem cell activity. They no longer add to bone strength, but to fat... So, we understand what the old taoist have said, that when one is fat, is harder to keep the pure energy inside bones. I feel that fasting has many benefits in here. Not only do we keep serotonin and transform it into something more subtle, but our bones will be more healty and more efficient. The "spontaneous orgasms" will occur only in the beginning (as wet dreams) but as the three worms are being weakened that will happen more and more rarely. Seratonin is an amine-derived hormone, different from steroid hormones. The later are not really implicated in spiritual development, only physical. We as humans cannot have it both ways, so we have to choose. Strengthening one will weaken the other. Of course, in the world nobody will tell the whole truth about all this. Just look how many advertise Androgens, Estrogens, Progestins, Vitamin D and the other. The deceiver has many webs and the one who runs contrary to the Way of the World will be attacked, in order to cover his defeat. I'm still waiting for someone who has walked this path to share his experiences. Harmony and love

All the info I've got comes from the Internet. http://www.4shared.com/document/zHsKQxz6/Mantak_Chia_-_Dark_Room_Enligh.htm http://planetupgrade.blogspot.com/2009/04/dark-room-enlightenment-pineal-gland.html I was hoping someone would give us more information in here (especially practical)...

Very interesting. Indeed serotonin does have an inhibitory effect on pain receptors, like an antidepressant. But to say that this is all it does, I think it to be an understatement. Just look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin I'm interested in 2 functions: 1)Effects on growth and reproduction Human serotonin can also act as a growth factor directly. Liver damage increases cellular expression of 5-HT2A and 5-HT2B receptors.[34] Serotonin present in the blood then stimulates cellular growth to repair liver damage.[35] 5HT2B receptors also activate osteoblasts, which build up bone[36] However, serotonin also activates osteoclasts, which degrade bone.[37] 2)Dark Room Enlightenment Tryptofan Seratonin Melatonin 5MeoTrypt DMT To reach the 5th stage (DMT) many days in total darkness are needed. Otherwise, the seratonin molecule is decomposed into inactive by-products (5-hydroxyindole acetaldehyde) by the enzyme MAO (monoamine oxidase) Melatonin (N-acetylseratonin), the neurohormone implicated in sleep, is synthesized directly from seratonin, by deactivating MAO and inhibiting the destruction of the seratonin molecule MAO (monoamine oxidase) is deactivated (inhibited) by the beta-carbolene enzymes secreted in the pineal gland: harmine, harmaline, and pinoline. I studied the natural food sources of tryptofan and found that the highest concentration of it to be in egg whites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptophan Another quote from Dark Room Enlightenment: "Melatonin is the essential substance required to maintain the hibernation state where spiritual consciousness sustains a peaceful,healthy, loving, and long life. The spiritual vitality producing the biological Jing will be preserved. The person then retains a child-like biological condition where no matured melatonin is wasted in biological continuation."

Thank you for your answer. The thing is that I bought some books on Amazon (the list is bellow) and I'm wondering which comes closer to the Ling-pao Pi-fa. " **Tao of Health, Longevity, and Immortality: The Teachings of Immortals Chung and Lu *Awakening to Reality: The "Regulated Verses" of the Wuzhen pian, a Taoist Classic of Internal Alchemy *Qi Gong for Total Wellness: Increase Your Energy, Vitality, and Longevity with the Ancient 9 Palaces System from the White Cloud Monastery *The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine: A New Translation of the Neijing Suwen with Commentary *Cultivating the Energy of Life by Hua-yang Liu (Paperback) **Early Daoist Scriptures (Daoist Classics , No 1) **Revealing the Tao Te Ching: In-depth Commentaries on an Ancient Classic *Understanding Reality: A Taoist Alchemical Classic *The Inner Teachings of Taoism: The essentials of self-transformation according to the Complete Reality School of Taoism, with commentary by Liu I-ming *The Book of Balance and Harmony: These essays, conversations, poetry, and songs about the secrets of Taoism teach how to live a centered and orderly life *Practical Taoism - Cleary *Harmonizing Yin and Yang - Eva Wong *The Secret of the Golden Flower: A Chinese Book of Life -Wilhelm *The Secret of the Golden Flower - Cleary *The Secrets of Chinese Meditation: Self-Cultivatio​n by Mind Control As Taught in the Ch'An, Mahayana and Taoist Schools in China - Charles Luk *The Jade Emperor's Mind Seal Classic: The Taoist Guide to Health, Longevity, and Immortality -Stuart Olson **Qigong Teachings of a Taoist Immortal: The Eight Essential Exercises of Master Li Ching-yun -Stuart Olson *Nourishing the Essence of Life: The Outer, Inner, and Secret Teachings of Taoism - Eva Wong *Taoist Yoga: Alchemy & Immorta​lity - Charles Luk *Thunder in the Sky: Secrets on the Acquisition and Exercise of Power **Vitality, Energy, Spirit: A Taoist Sourcebook (Shambhala Dragon Editions) *The Magus of Java: Teachings of an Authentic Taoist Immortal - Kosta Danaos *Taoist Meditation -Thomas Cleary *Cultivating Stillness - Eva Wong " I know that are many sites that offer a structured list of steps for Taoist Internal Alchemy Practice. But just using this books, how would you order them ? Start with the Secret of the Golden Flower ? And what comes next ? Even if we won't actually do the practice, some kind of structuring of these books would be nice.

Here you are, my friends. http://www.viikii.net/channels/goto/journeytothewest2010# ENJOY!

Thank you very much for Guanzi. I read a chapter and it was very useful. Please put link for Volume 2 And if you can help me with a book I try to buy for the last 3 years, but no luck (I find only used versions which will not ship to my location). http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tao-Health-Longevity-Immortality-Teachings/dp/1570627258 I saw you have available a book by Ewa Wong, this would be very useful... Thanks again, you are very kind.

Hi TianXian Is this the book ? http://www.amazon.com/Mission-Heaven-Great-Chinese-Allegory/dp/1112449922/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3KGPK5IQZIZ2F&colid=2WGTX1B0Y6L3H Can you tell me what kind of information contains ? Should I buy it? All I could find was it original date: 1913, and some links to the Journey to the West.

Everybody has some good points. Just some quotes from my mind : "Those who are like little children will receive the Revelation of Mysteries." "Those who are married should be as those who are single" "Everyone has a Gift. Love will give meaning to it and the Gift will make fruits." Peace and Love to everybody !

Hi MilaNow, I'm glad you posted this. I asked for info about Tonic Gold a month ago but it seems nobody tried it... I want to ask you: 1.Which one did you try? Original or Professional with GotuKola, or Professional with Cordyceps? Which one is better? 2.Petri Murien designed this Tonic Gold a continuation of the work of Paracelsus. Do you think it is the same Gold that Paracelsus wrote about? It seems to be many versions of this potable gold... I read about the Indian one, about Ko Hung, even in the Bible the Jews used it. I wonder what are the differences between them. 3.For now I am interested more in the physical health. What would be the best option for me? Cordyceps or GotuKola? Thanks

If ever we find something wisely said by the pagans, we should not scorn it with the name of the author . . . but as the apostle says, "Test all things, holding fast what is good." --Origen, Homily on Exodus (2nd century A.D.) If people find themselves in this way in pure nothingness, is it not better for them to do something to drive away the darkness and the abandonment? Should such people not somehow pray, read, listen to a sermon, or carry out other works that are virtuous so as to help themselves? No! Understand this truly that remaining quite still and for as long at a time as possible is the best thing you can do. --Meister Eckhart If you keep a pure and a sincere heart you will find a way to continue your practice and the other people will gradually be silenced. Just keep to the path of LOVE

You words are acceptable. But my point was ADAPTABILITY and NO FIXATION. For example, you are used to eat rice at 10 AM, chicken at 2 PM, and soup at 6 PM. Does it mean that is important to eat the same food at the same time for the rest of your life? Can't you have some variety in your food and your timing? Is it healthy to be stuck in the schedule? Of course, the recommended lifestyle is sleep at night and be awake at day. But there are times when is better to go with other program (temporarily). If you happen to be in a desert - is better to sleep when the sun is hot and to walk in the evening or night when is more tolerable. Or maybe you met a dear friend who was unseen for decades, and you have only one night to talk with him (all night). It is better to adapt your lifestyle and use that night to catch up. But the best example would be DARK ROOM RETREATS, Mantak Chia also has this type of training. These retreats last for weeks, the room is totally dark, and people inside do not know when is day or night. But the results obtained are very good and worth modifying the sleep pattern. And I don't think that this training is for something negative. There are some accomplished taoists need only 1 hour of sleep/day. Is there a problem that they are awake much of the night? So my point is not that all the periods are good for one type of practice. My point is that there are many types of circumstances and many types of practices (which can extend themselves over many weeks). FLEXIBILITY and ADAPTIBILITY are important, people must see the PRINCIPLE and not the TECHNIQUE.