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Very good advice. Tummo isnt something to just fuck around with... as sometimes the line between heal/hurt gets dropped altogether. A phoenix isnt born from "medium rare" or "well done".

just give it time

oh, you dont get it yet? lets try again

Ah yes... the punchline

nothing is ever the "right" word

That creaking, it's there again It's a door you fool, foolish neighbor oblivious to the sound of a glazed eye staring, daring and preparing to dine It's upon your breast and lingers still the salty air, the taste of the sea at night How it lingers Still and darting with the pulse of it's heart like a fish out of water, it flops right down at your feet

It still seems odd to debate against something that isnt advocated in the first place, but perhaps thats just me. The spirit is indeed much richer in experience than the body, it is not nearly as limited in what it can perceive or do.

So you apologize, and then continue to jump to the same conclusion? That is odd! Again, I am not saying that christianity or the bible is an advocation of master/slave dynamics. Im not sure how to make that any more clear. It seems your identification with these teachings may be clouding your perceptions a bit. Such dynamics are only applicable in terms of what particular people do with teachings of any kind.

The expansion/contraction phenomena you mention in particular leads to certain possibilities if you can keep your eyes open. Its just a suggestion.

On another occasion we were talking of Buddhism in Ceylon. I expressed the opinion that Buddhists must have magic, the existence of which they do not acknowledge, and the possibility of which is denied in official Buddhism. Entirely without connection with this remark, and while, I think, I was showing my photographs to G., I spoke about a small shrine in a private house in Colombo in which there was, as usual, a statue of Buddha, and at the foot of the Buddha a small, bell-shaped ivory dagoba, that is, a small carved replica of a dagoba, hollow inside. They opened this in my presence and showed me something inside it that was regarded as a relic—a small round ball the size of a large shot, carved, as I thought, out of ivory or mother-of-pearl. G. listened to me attentively. "Did they not explain to you what this ball meant?" he asked. "They told me it was a piece of bone of one of Buddha's disciples; that it was of very great antiquity and holiness." "It is so and it is not so," said G. "The man who showed it to you either did not know or did not want to say. It was not a piece of bone but a particular bone formation which some people get round the neck in the form of a necklace as a result of special exercises. Have you heard the expression 'Buddha's necklace'?" "Yes," I said, "but this means something quite different. The chain of Buddha's reincarnation is called 'Buddha's necklace.'" "Yes," said G., "that is one meaning of the expression, but I am speaking of another meaning. This necklace of bones which encircles the neck beneath the skin is directly connected with what is called the 'astral body.' The 'astral body' is, so to speak, attached to it, or, to be more accurate, this 'necklace' connects the physical body to the astral. Now if the 'astral body' continues to live after the death of the physical body, the person possessing a bone of this 'necklace' can always communicate with the 'astral body' of the dead man. This is magic. But they never speak of it openly. You are right about their having magic and this is an instance of it. It does not follow, of course, that the bone you saw was a real one. You will find these bones in almost every house; but I am telling you of the belief which lies at the bottom of this custom." And again I had to admit that I had never before met with such an explanation. G. drew a small sketch for me showing the position of the small bones under the skin; they went in a semicircle round the back of the neck, beginning a little in front of the ears. This sketch at once reminded me of an ordinary diagrammatic representation of the lymphatic glands in the neck, such as can be seen in anatomical charts. But I could learn nothing else about it.

In certain situations, spirals are perceived by the inner eye. In connection with these situations, many other possibilities may lead to ideas or depictions of them. However, the Nazca lines in particular have been discovered to be an early form of "labyrinth" activity - as in, practitioners would walk along the lines as a form of worship and/or meditation. At certain key points, they would deliberately shatter pots on the ground. Over thousands of years, these peoples migrated north and created the megaliths and other cosmically aligned structures at Chaco Canyon. spiral which measures equinox days by appearance of light from "sun dagger" the megaliths they made put stonehenge to shame - and there are over a dozen of them, perfectly aligned to each other over hundreds of miles of barren desert.. its many orders of magnitude more complex (although it is only about 1000 years old) .. in particular, many of them are aligned to the 19 year lunar cycle as well as the yearly solstice/equinox this is one of my favorite documentaries of all time, btw http://youtu.be/OTUHXS10BM4

Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey. And Ive written about that here before. It does seem to be involved with the origin of Sumerian religion, at least.

You are jumping to conclusions a bit, but that is understandable given the circumstances. I never characterized anything as a master/slave dynamic other than explaining what Osho was referring to in his statement. Devotional practice may or may not have such dynamics, and the devotional form is the model for people who worship the figure of Christ. It is also the same model for many other religions and traditions. It is a common methodology in India called "bhakti".

"The Christian church, the Christian form of worship, was not invented by the fathers of the church. It was all taken in a ready-made form from Egypt, only not from the Egypt that we know but from one which we do not know. This Egypt was in the same place as the other but it existed much earlier. Only small bits of it survived in historical times, and these bits have been preserved in secret and so well that we do not even know where they have been preserved. "It will seem strange to many people when I say that this prehistoric Egypt was Christian many thousands of years before the birth of Christ, that is to say, that its religion was composed of the same principles and ideas that constitute true Christianity. Special schools existed in this prehistoric Egypt which were called 'schools of repetition.' In these schools a public repetition was given on definite days, and in some schools perhaps even every day, of the entire course in a condensed form of the sciences that could be learned at these schools. Sometimes this repetition lasted a week or a month. Thanks to these repetitions people who had passed through this course did not lose their connection with the school and retained in their memory all they had learned. Sometimes they came from very far away simply in order to listen to the repetition and went away feeling their connection with the school. There were special days of the year when the repetitions were particularly complete, when they were carried out with particular solemnity—and these days themselves possessed a symbolical meaning. "These 'schools of repetition' were taken as a model for Christian churches—the form of worship in Christian churches almost entirely represents the course of repetition of the science dealing with the universe and man. Individual prayers, hymns, responses, all had their own meaning in this repetition as well as holidays and all religious symbols, though their meaning has been forgotten long ago." - Gurdjieff, 1921 Also, anything by R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz has great information on ancient Egypt. Here is a sample: http://www.fatuma.net/text/R.A.SchwallerdeLubicz-TheTempleinMan-SacredArchitectureandthePerfectMan.pdf

there is a long tradition of this in thailand

LaVey was just capitalizing on the environment of libertarian/anarchistic naturalism that was coming into vogue at the time. He still remained a "circus performer". The "satanic" references are for shock value, calibrated for a puritanical christian atmosphere. Its not based on any kind of scriptures or texts, he is just using the terminology for effect. For anyone who has a background in studies of ancient mysticism or metaphysics, it comes off as outright goofy. Its laughable at best. But even as a work of pop philosophy, I think its fairly juvenile. If you really like that kind of elitist power trip thing, you should check out some of Julius Evola's stuff. It depends on your angle of interest. Liber Null might also provide some entertainment value in this area, but thats about all its good for IMHO. And as always, theres this...