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i had some questions, you consider them 'ilegitimate'? ok, no problem.. so you don't like my questions, i got it i was just giving an example that crossed my mind at the moment. obviously, for whatever reason, you find it offensive if this pleases you, you may keep repeating it, i have no problem whatsoever with your saying it yes, you did. i asked you to continue, you told me to read you book and practice your method... Ya Mu, this discussion is going nowhere, you and i don't see eye to eye. better let it rest. peace L1
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hey CT imo,dependency, whether on modern or traditional medicine comes when you are not informed, and prefer to rely on others for help i value being informed a helluva lot more than i value treatment. that's why i don't seek healing in spirituality.. i seek only what it's supposed to do, show me to the other side.
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Mildly passive agressive eh? I like that... Let me return the favour, and remind you what others have called you out for: if someone is not being sophomoric about you and your teachings, it doesn't necessarely mean that they are attacking you. Some people are more direct, and they mean exactly what they say, no need to look behind their words. You were reffering to me, that's why i said it's an assumption. Regarding healing, you of all people should know that it involves more than projecting Qi into a patient. I believe in education, not in healing. Healing makes you dependant, education gives you a chance not to become in need of it. For healing i reckon i mainly trust modern medicine. It has done a great job with me and my family, where no amount of 'energy work' would have. I know it goes the other way around too, just sayin.. edit : spelling
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I was expecting that. As i said previously, you are assuming too much. I can definately see a pattern.
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please don't assume too much, just asked about about a part of the training that was not evident in your previous descriptions of it. not everyone is interested in healing
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This could be interesting...
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Please do go on, this helped but only in part. In my understanding, spirituality really starts there where the physical body doesn't play any part any more. For example, JAJ says that getting your energy body active and able to meet your teachers in the subtle realm is really the first step; until then, it's kindergarden mostly, and i feel he is right; the tonal interferes too much; much of the learning takes place 'on the other side'.
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ok i'll read the book
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I don't understand, what spiritual benefits does S-M have? What about when we put life and death in perspective? What about sense? Enlightening? Immortality?
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Hi there, in your opinion, what is the best way to establish a valid coonection between Method and Effect. It is said that if the Effect is sought and expected, the Mind will create a False effect, as a result of expectations, therefore impending the true Effect of the method to manifest on its own accord. If this is true, then most of the methods that exist on the spiritual market fall into this category. This isn't a matter of criticizing what others choose to do, but an honest quest for the answer to this question: If we wouldn't have know the intended effects of the practices we got involved into... what would they have resulted into?? It seems that there are two ways of practicing, regarding Daoism: one is called 大道Da Dao - the Great Dao the other is called 旁门Pang men - the side door [to the Dao] This is a question adressed to those that are into the Da Dao practices: why is it considered improper to be entering Dao through Pang men? Thanks! L1
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Thanks Otis, what you say makes sense. not sure this is the case with dao alchemy though. If you want to understand my perspective (and, if curious, study a bit about modern lay daoist practice), i reccomend this book: Daoist Modern @Belle, thanks for the civility
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Yes Steve, if there's any difference between daoists and buddhists, it's only in the way they're ending up their discussions Which reminds me, we kinda mixed business with pleasure, and forgot about business altogether. Neah, not that important anyways, who cares who's right??
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ah-hum... might as well just use nodding emoticons when we (you and i) discuss! nodding, [no text]
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Cat, the way i heard it, daoism is practical mostly, because it's the fruit of a very practical civilisation, the Chinese. Besides, the scope of practice is to be practical, ain't it? RE: dropping expectations, yes! it's what i said.
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@CowTao, thanks, it is sufficient! I do appreciate reading most of your posts (which tend to be too long-winded sometimes, and therefore too buddhist for my taste, but nevertheless interesting and informative especially when punctual i hope you're getting the message across the way it was intended, goodly - i digress some more, i don't quite get how could Zen buddhism evolved out from a completely talkative religion such as Buddhism) Back to the original ideas, yes they are adressed to daoists mostly, and i'm afraid it will slowly die out, because there's not much daoism left on Taobums paradoxically
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@Decibelle i feel the ego idea is overworked overrated and of no practical value Yeah you heard it!! it can make you go in circles for lifetimes, without really getting to the core of the problem, practically, this is why i avoid it. i consider it of course, and i try to equate it with terms that i can 'work' with - that are not too abstract, IME it's the wisest thing to do. @Otis the idea of play might work in our western mindframe, however it has little part to play in a coherent and specific methodology as appears to be the case with the daoist alchemy. it's work (of a specific nature) over (specific amounts of) time, again and again, until something (you have no prior idea or experience about) kind of 'settles' . we in the west don't have time for that sh*t, and try to kind of go around it, weaseling out of it by any philosophycal means. this is what worries me.. and the reason i don't find new age quacks palatable much
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Interesting indeed, i didn't know about the reverse! That adds up to the plot
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Thanks for answering guys/gals I feel this problem doesn't have much to do with the issue of ego (i don't really think there is such a concept in daoism, and i think -maybe just a poor idea- we should narrow our discourse mainly on daoism and daoist related concepts). @Tianshi, nice input, you can expand a bit if you want to. @ChiDragon, what is proper and what is improper? @Steve, i hear ya. I work in the medical field as well... there's something i encountered into my daily interactions with patients and medicine. Some of them have a really strong mind, and are able to induce the intended effect of the medicine prior to it's normal time of action. Placebo... we all know of it, however it's kind of surprinsing every time you're witnessing it. The difference is, imo, that medicine really does have a active ingredient in it, and taken into the required dosage, over the required period of time as a treatment, it can really yield results, results that are tangible through various other analysis. I don't think it's just by chance dat daoist terminology bears alot of resemblance to medical and medicine related concepts & methodology. If we consider the above... I remember in the past i've done many practices, not following 'the required dosage' and 'the required period of time as treatment', and yet i had various 'results'. I admit, most of them faded in time rather quickly after i no longer practiced the methods. Nowadays, while i observer the requirements for the 'effects' (which are not sought or intended - they are not even known beforehand) that are part of a more formal/traditional way of practicing the Dao, i can't help wondering if all that i have experienced beforehand were just figments of my (admittedly) rich imagination. Nothing new, i must add.... just kind of awqward when it happens and you are the subject of it. I feel there are two ways of developing from this point on: 1. to proceed as Otis did, to narrow my trust in objective and 'fixed' installations and entities, such as methods and teachers, or 2. ?? I'm not clear about this
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Genetically modified cows produce 'human' milk
宁 replied to DalTheJigsaw123's topic in General Discussion
Steve you're a scientist and a doctor, can you please share what are the risks here? (i'm not seeing any) -
More power to you, light warrior edit: In most cultures, saying bad things about a person's father and mother is considered extremely disrespectful. To me, this only goes to show how low can you go; no surprise to me. QED. This is very simmilar with all spiritual related phenomena, you feel something, and insist in your head that it must be 'kundalini' or who knows what. And you keep insisting until you convince yourself, and then get others convinced. IMO, there is a HUGE difference between this... and really helping people spiritually. Have you ever wondered if the sensations and phenomena are really what you intepret them to be? They could be entirely something else... Because, let me state this, there are alot of people out there that have learned how to induce these phenomena relatively easy, and use that as an argument to sustain their wild spiritual theories! If this is what is called spirituality, i'm better off playing basketball.
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Rainbow, that wasn't an off topic, i understood more from it that from this whole thread! The wisdom!!
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Hey cut that out or I'm'nna go back to my post, edit it and add: 'Drummy' and 'Celestial' ... in front of 'Teutonic' Honestly man, your titles are too funny... they remind me of this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXgM1uSICtE