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I'm not sure I should say anything about this. But it would only be fair, as I learned alot here myself. At first, when it happened to me my intention played only a small part. Then I learned what are the conditions that make it possible. The girl I was with was flabbergasted, as was I. Really expands the notion of sexuality to a much deeper level... She also commented alot on the experience. Mind you, I'm not into replacing 'traditional' intercourse with this kind of 'non-traditional encounter', but, what can I say, it can be quite an experience... much more lasting, profound and emotional. As far as I can tell, it's not consistent with Drew's descriptions of the process and result. Should I mention that it opens a whole new dimension to personal practice and meditation also? L1

Thanks again YM. To better understand what you mean, could you please expand a bit on what this word means to a daoist practitioner?

I don't get it, how can buying a book earn you good karma eh? Mjj, TM, - men have the innate habit of speaking and understanding in general terms - women have the innate habit of speaking and understanding in personal terms

Interesting and consistent with my own experience. Never knew about the Yuan Qi part though. Maybe it's because it's hard to identify?? What would be the characteristics of Yuan Qi? How would one 'feel' it?

Thanks!! I am at loss with the expression 'done in a pre-heavenly way', though. Could you at least hint something about it?

Thanks Hagar, kinda makes sense. What about external resources? Could Yuan Qi / Primordial Qi be 'accessed' from outside, and in-taken?

Wise words. So then, we are still missing a key factor. Talk about teasing.. Thanks, that part alone sounds incredibly good. If you know how to do this, I'll make sure I add you up to the list of people I'll seek up when I come to China (or Taiwan), if that's OK with you. L1

Obviously, the information will no longer be a problem in this information age. Slowly but surely all we wanted to know will come to light. I say that because today many of the things that were supersecrets can be bought now on amazon or read on scribd. Just a 'small' setback to that: by the time it is all revealed, we will be so caught-up with social life, entertainment and technology, that we would hardly find the time necessary for this kind of enterprise. I can't help thinking about this paradoxical progression: the less time we have, the more the information starts to flow... Making the effort to really try and do something proportionally challenging.

Nice to see you're coming around just fine. I've received simmilar warnings many times, and just ignored them, because I think that no one knows what's better for me than my own self. Techniques need time and delicate adjustments in order to work properly, some kind of 'personalization' if you prefer the term. Techniques are just a rough blue print, you may start to develop your own practice based on their matrix. Good luck with your experiments, and enjoy!

never never never give up, be all you can be. and, one quote i've seen around and liked: enlightenment may not be what you think, so just seek to evolve,.,.

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The external locking method is not Chia's per se. He learned it from another Chinese master. Matter of fact, I know at least another well known qigong master, Stephen Chang, that advocates benefits of the external locking. From other two masters M. Chia learned three other techniques and he created the Healing Love part of his system. The nine formulas of White Cloud do not include Healing Love - it's just an auxiliary. HOWEVER: 1. There is a strategy and timing and many other factors involved. Trying to ban a practice just because people mis-use it it's preposterous. Might as well ban cars, electricity, hammers, knives etc... 2. External locking isn't even the beginning of the Healing Love system, as taught by Master Chia. The Healing Love system has 9 levels of practice, and the external locking isn't even included in the first one. It's just a trick to temporarely experiment the separation between orgasm and ejaculation. 3. As complex as it is (although people that comment otherwise have no clue), Healing Love is just ONE in over THIRTY other practices that he teaches. To equal Chia = (just)external locking, it's pretty close to stupidity, imo. For further info, get your asses in the Article section. L1

+ 1 You don't need to supress the flu or cold, it's one of the ways in which the body gets rid of toxins... If you stop it, you only allow the toxins to build up...

Catchy toon also... The world is his allright... We won't know whatever hit us.

There you go again, thinking black or white. I tell you GIH, you should consider it... If not for any other reason, then for the sake of not becoming too predictable.

no one speaking about results? curious...

GIH, your reasoning is correct, if we take into account what we generally know about this phenomena at thist time. Yet, you being the scientific objective mind I'm sure you wouldn't object if I point out a major glitch: you're thinking binary logic, meanwhile we live in a multi-verse. trinary logic will provide you with another set of conclusions. there is also quadrary logic... quintary logic... How am I so sure? Everything that is conceivable to the human mind is bound to already exist in some form in this multiverse. Yours L1

your hints are appreciated so are IDguest's!

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Ehm.. Sexual cultivation doesn't end with retaining. You'll retain until you pop.

I have a simmilar experience. Although, I have to admit, sometimes I value the information that I found free at least as much as the one I pay for. The strenuous effort that is involved in the searching, sometimes makes up for the price of the prize. For example, I'm still searching for an answer to this mistery. I'm sure it will be well worth my while.

http://www.amazon.com/Taoist-feces-exercise/dp/B0018SJ8F6 Hello all, did anyone buy this thing, and was it worth it? Thanx alot L1

Didn't get it, but was hoping for a review of some kind. As far as I've searched there wasn't any (coherent). So, Oolong, I look forward to a review from you, if you get the chanse to watch it.

Bump!