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Hi there everybody The main idea is to have some terms, their Chinese characters, and their general meaning. I'm pretty sure this basic knowledge can't do harm, and could lead to interesting and more accurate understanding. Thank you all For all the passionate researchers out there, Picard out

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Sorry, I think this is a lie. You know this isn't so.

I looked thru it, I'm sorry, I don't think I can use it...

I respectfully disagree. And so does reality. Instead of denying this, why not thinking it over. Maybe you missed something. MCO helped, helps and will continue to help many, solving health, emotional and in some cases even spiritual issues. It's just a tool. In the right hands, it can only do good.

that goes double for me any folks here practiced this stuff?

Many years ago I had a similar problem, like the guys that complain about these things. Only after I got over my bad attitude towards women, I started to see a difference. I remember, at that time, I read somewhere that if you secretly hate women, the Feminine Spirit will sense that. Only after I made peace with this Feminine Spirit, by changing my attitude for the better, I could have a girlfriend. Oh, and I also got a job! That helps! I could change my attitude by looking at how much women in general have to suffer in a man's world. I thought then, they are right to ask much of us... they deserve it. I treat my woman with respect and I let her have her own freedom. I can only have a partner that I can respect. Women are miraculous creatures. But the effort creating a harmonious relationship is pretty intense. For both sides! IMHO this is one of the major causes of spreading of trendy homosexuality. It's easier to get along with your own gender. Yet, IMHO, it's not a solution.

I'll drink to that... Oh, I'll lick to that! (just got a nice icecream here eheh) I think I have a response to my own initial question, btw. Post-heaven Yuan Qi is 'manufactured' via inner alchemy. Is Qi in it's neutral state. It is some kind of 'buffer', that keeps us from consuming our own resources of Yuan Qi. This is as far as the Lesser Elixir path goes, also known as Xiao Dao. The answer to the access to pre-heaven Yuan Qi must lie in the Da Dao, or the Great Elixir methodology and perspective. I sometimes wander between technicality and poetry. For example, if we are to strip away poetry for a second, we can certainly relate to different kinds of Yuan Qi states, via our own experience: - as unborn infants - as spirits before entering the womb of the mother Too bad those memories are inaccessible to most of us at the moment. I agree, by masters. They can draw five or six Chinese characters, and you wouldn't have enough time in this life to practice all that is in them. Understanding is vital. Many problems arise from lack of understanding. And understanding doesn't have to be literal, conceptual, but it may often rely on concept as a foundation.

From what I know, it's possible. I've written some detail on it here: As you see, the terminology is frustratingly difficult. I don't know what Yang Jing is. It suffices for one ingredient to be named in a wrong way, and all the process is just a waste of time, and probably also hazardous. The methodology is also different from one school to another (thanks @Stig, keep 'em coming!), and also you can't use techniques from one school to complement a system that belongs to another... Btw, I'm glad people are still interested in threads like this!

Thanx a bunch Stig! Supported (emphasis mine) = you take from it, the way you take from a bank account. Only this bank account can't be 're-filled'. Or can it? This was one of my questions, more precisely:

The post-heaven Yuan Qi is experienced during MCO building the neutral Qi field of the lower abdominal. Or Cinnabar, as it is usually called. It is also experienced during the 5 E Fusion... This is how I got to experience Yuan Qi in it's post-heaven configuration. Pre-heaven Yuan Qi - I think we only experience the moment we drain it, namely with intense physical pleasure associated with sex (not healing love, I mean just ordinary explosive mind-boggling sex), or the pleasure associated with a great meal (not bigu or daoist nutrition diet). Or associated with any pleasurable, or non-pleasurable draining intense experience, for that matter... To me, the difference is that post-heaven Yuan Qi seems more easily convertible into post-heaven Qi, throuth sensation and feeling... I have no direct experience of pre-heaven Qi though.. To witness pre-heaven Yuan Qi in it's non-manifested inherent configuration, I think we need a special state of mind, or the emergence of a different kind of mind/spirit. These are my experiences, and my thoughts re, cat. Any thoughts?

Some questions for the ones more inclined to contemplate inner alchemy theory: - we know two main types of Qi: pre-heaven and post-heaven (XianTien and HouTien) - this is also the case with Yuan Qi, it can be either pre-heaven or post-heaven Q1: What is the difference between pre-heaven Yuan Qi and post-heaven Yuan Qi? Q2: What is the principle that permits the turning (Bianhua) of post-heaven Yuan Qi to pre-heaven Yuan Qi? These are mysteries of the youthful longevity path. Many practitioners can turn post-heaven Qi into post-heaven Yuan Qi, thereby sparing the FINITE resources of pre-heaven Yuan Qi. The resources of pre-heaven Yuan Qi are said to be the ones that account for extended/prolongued life and youthfulness. So, actually, what are the chanses of finding a decent answer on a daoist forum mostly interested in sex, masturbation and buddhist circular logic? omg...

Qi is steam, Qi is smoke

Get a job have a wife make a child get a life - thread I think I'll store the adress here, for safe keeping... Last time I looked for it for more than half an hour

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For an enlightened being, you sure need to get your facts straight... Try looking into the history of Tibetan invasions on Chinese territories. And Tibetan religious wars. You can compare Mao and the Cultural Revolution with the 1st Emperor of China, Qin Shi Huang, and his policy... Emperor Qin performed the same act of cultural erasure. It was a needed action, in the ancient times, as well as in modern times. China was in peril of an imminent conquest... I'll leave it up to you to fill up the how's and why's. It's history, you just need an update. I don't like it that the present head of Tibetan Buddhism, the Dalai Lama, is on CIA's payroll. But that's another discussion... Bottom line IMO: there's no such thing as 'the innocent Tibetan side' in this war...

Don't worry man, not everyone believes what the Western govermnents are prone to present as "actual fact". Actually I'm very upset on what the Wold Bank, NATO and America did to my country. One of the things they did? Wipe out native traditions... not directly, but through micro and macroeconomic games and media. Other things? Destroy local economy and industry... agriculture... You guys out there, in the East, make sure you won't fall pray to the same.

drew, i can't shake the feeling you're in some kinda loop and not getting out of it.............

let me make my guess : )) - en-light-en-ment = it must have something to do with Light, a certain kinda light - if the English counterpart isn't functional, what is the original buddhist word? I think we must understand the Etymologyfirst...

If you're contracting it when you're getting close, it's already too late. And if you want to know how and when to contract and relax, a daily routine of PC exercise is essential. Btw, wlp teaches PC exercise as well, how about that?

Great thread. Looking forward to answers, hope durkhrod will provide for some of them as well.

Chinese daoism doesn't seem to be preocupied with 'who's the best' but with what is suitable to your innate nature... Your innate nature is the one that attracts a specific type of training, that is most suitable to you. They don't go around comparing, better leave that to Confucian and Buddhist eheh - never heard of Daoist competition! As you already know, Chinese are not very opened to talk about this type of cultivation... Most of the information out there is highly contextual, if you don't know the context you will be mislead. I believe there is much you can discover yourself, as a 华人 you have many advantages... all you need is to learn your Chinese! Good luck man. But there's one hint i can offer you, one of the few i trust today: in wlp's book there is a small part that reffers to daoist chamber arts. Don't remember exactly where in the book...

shaolin, i think that is where the missunderstanding started: dry orgasm is not the same as daoist multiorgasm... multiorgasm doesn't mean having multiple orgasms though. it's a method deviced to allow you to finish love-making much more energised than you started initially... it involves knowledge about a couple of alignmnets, of genitals and inner organs, of the three dantians, and of the body and the universe. i'm not sure you can learn much about orgasms in a monastery thou'

You need to investigate more what an orgasm is. It is a means to multiply energy, it's all I can tell you. If you can't do it, or don't know the way to do it, don't assume it doesn't exist... keep an open mind. - if you want to find out more, you can start from this here idea. And btw Sensation is physical, Feeling is emotional, Thought is mental... Don't forget that Chinese had their cultivation roughly separated into northern - celibate, and southern - sexual practices included.

Marbles, what would be the characteristics of a will that is free? let's start from there, and work our way to what daoism believes as will, and as freedom... if you're still interested in daoist view. L1