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When i was younger, i thought camus's question was a smart one. Now i think his view maybe a bit selfish. We don't have anything: our bodies and our energy is borrowed from our parents and nature. And the spirit belongs to the divine. I went thru a Nietzchean phase myself, but instead of existentialism there was something else that 'saved me': the teachings of CC... particularly 'the way of the warrior' was the one that shifted my view permanently.

The ones that 'invented' stopping the world had simmilar practice. Besides, my p.o.v rests on my experience with it: the earth pulls 'it' out of you whenever she gets the chanse, and i felt that way before i was even exposed to any occult or qigong theory or practice. In our part of the world, it's even basic knowledge in the countryside, where some folk lore still lives on. It's interesting that you feel otherwise, but not impossible. There are different levels of 'seeing', they say. If two 'seers' see a thing differently, they may be on different levels of 'seeing'. Maybe only a fully enlightened being could tell which of them is closer to the truth...

Heh, Christians have a vocation for suffering. Remember that Jesus is very often depicted as dying in pain. So for them suffering may mean a different story than for Buddhists. That aside, I've been meaning to ask you buddhist guys some questions: - what exactly is alaya vijnana in psychological terms? - i always have the feeling that there must be something that goes even deeper than the 'pure observer'? is that true, and if it is, what is it? thanX L1

hey idguest, good points there

It changes. Just like the evening sun returns as a morning sun. Deep inside the womb of the earth, everything changes, evolves faster. Just like inside a womb. And energy itself, loves change... The earth can act as a cauldron of transformation. If fact, maybe this is just what it is, on the inside.

Earth feeds on negative energy, just like trees feed on CO2. Some animals need negative energy too. Some plants also. ... Not to mention that there are people that really enjoy it.

I'll add something up just to make you ponder even more TCM tonics in fact increase sexual energy... the difference is that the body uses it for repairing itself. Meditation in fact increases your sexual energy... the difference is that the soul and spirit are nourished. Whether we talk health or acheivement, sexual energy is involved as 'prima materia'. If you flush it out, there is no way to build internal power, EJ functions like a... valve, or... i belive the term is bleeder. Think about it this way: the strenght of the chain is equal to the strenght of it's weakest ring. I belive I already said too much Sorry I couldn't answer the other problem, but I think you'll find out the sollution, with so much experiencing, one only needs to look closer... the answer is pretty obvious.

Now you tell us... after putting you down so many times... I'm not even sure this tendency doesn't act out of it's own impulse... hehe. This is to say I'm sorry I picked on you. Please do accept my apologies. AND, you seem to live up to your principles. Until now, all the hatred and despize that you took, you should have reacted somehow, but you didn't. To me this shows you are indeed a good person. At the same time I don't think people are reacting because you question their belief systems. I'm sure you'll figure out why, it seems to have done pretty until now... I learned something from you. Thanks

I tried to get a hold on the producers of that Mind Mirror device Wilber is using, but till now all i got is zilch. The MM looks way better than SkyMind... Does anybody have any idea where i can order it? Zillion thanx

Hi Scotty, it's the other way around... guys that are into sex alot, are that way because their sexual energy is weak. (i chewed alot on this thought) when the sexual energy is strong and full, the sex drive is lesser. you have IT, so you don't need to chase after it. 'use or loose' is a good politic, but it applies more to elderly folks in this case. i usually don't talk that much detail about it, but your opinions seem to be very influential to some of the posters here. so i try to help them by telling you these things. Hi Vaj, you're already a teacher on these things so i probably shouldn't tell you what is what. i just have very strong reasons to see things the way i do, that are related to cultivation. i don't think there's ever a step in cultivation that certain things, like Jing, Qi or Shen, become expendable, because you have 'tapped into the source'. the more you have, the more you learn to appreciate and act responsably toward what you have. Hi Ya Mu, i respectfully disagree. the first thing that matters is the body and it's health. we may have acces to the greatest secrets, but if the body's health and strenght is poor, we have no way to explore and enjoy them... hence, to me, the importance of managing Jing.... keep in mind that the energy body is very important to me also. on a greater scale, Jing is Body, the very essence of it. how can it be expendable?? L1 PS: I'm already one vs. three, so there's no point in going on with the debate, all i hope is our discussion will give each of us some threads for furthering our personal research... that' all

Yes, I was wondering about that also. Ya Mu made some interesting articles and contributions to the TTB, but certain areas that are usually considered crucial are, in his view, secondary... Which makes me wonder how did he understand things, after all.

hi there Stig wuxing times 2 (yin + yang) = ten stems the terrestrial branches are the meridians, in humans, and the chinese hours = 12 this is part of Qi Men Dun Jia, an art that M. Winn says it's China's best kept secret... (but can be somewhat found in usual fengshui and bazi courses) good luck in finding out the rest of it

Scotty, to refine doesn't mean to retain... to retain doesn't mean to refine. if your refinement training is really good, you can retain for a while, until the force grows stronger. if it's get very good, you can retain for longer periods, and you'll have more juice for the advanced practice. but, it is said to never retain more than you can refine. (or bite more than you can chew) if you can't do it, it doesn't mean it's bad or unnecesary. it is necessary to all of us, because without strong Jing, there is not enough Qi, let alone Spirit... jing - qi - shen ... it's daoist alchemy...

How can refinement and repression mean the same thing?

it seems we disagree very often on this topic, Vaj if we look in the animal kingdom... most of the animals mate at specific seasons. the rest of the year they keep their strenght for fight and survival... on a personal note, i noticed a great deal of difference in attitude and energy (=more refined) with people that 'mind' their Jing. the difference is so deep, that i beg to differ from your guy's opinions. yes, if you do emit semen, frustration only makes it worse

F. is a curious case, to me. I could care less about his attitude, he only hurts himself. I wonder what will happen to him. Biff made a short list of his 'features' as he himself see them. If I base my judgement on that, I'd say he's hopeless. Not because of what he does, but because of how deep and cristalised are his actions inside his body/mind. He need a really-really good... 'something'... to start over again. But can I really tell? I'll just wait and see... PS: Sorry if i sound too judgemental, but he brought his case upfront himself, i'm just contemplating the implications

When consciousness awakens, one of it's first needs is to clean up the garbage. You will see this even on a greater scale, if we look at certain countries. It can also be done the other way around: taking out the garbage 'cleans up' a dull consciousness. 'Dirt', be it physical or non-physical feeds parasites, be it physical parasites or non-physical. Of course they don't want you to take away their cozy environment... So they feed you up with wild excuses (see above "Some body parts should not be approached with the goal of pacifying the mind..." - it sounds cool, but does it make sense?? Your body is your own.) Hope this helps Good luck and God bless L1

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oh sure it possible, but not my cup o tea

i did colon cleansings from time to time. the regular program was 7 days, colonics two times a day, in the morning and evening. aditionally, there were some herbal remedies involved getting the parasites out... you need to get a dozen of colonics + fasting just to get the FEELING of how a clean body feels like. with that SENSATION as a base, you can monitor your state of health very easy. but first you need something to compare it with. there are many therapist that promote colon cleansing for lots of chronic disease. colon clease can radically change the way a person feels and thinks. many psychodramas/existential crisis would vanish into thin air with colon cleanse... it's because it goes to the root of the problem. for Qigong practicioners it's an easy essential way to get more 'space'. the more dirt, junk and parasites you throw out, the more space you have to fill in with Qi. it's so important that it's practiced in traditional spirituality all over the world. AND it's not an artificial thing... it can be found in nature. there are a certain species of birds that do this every once in a while...

It all depends who you tell this to. If you tell it to a hippie, it's one thing. If you tell it to a guy that has many years of training, it's another.

indeed whenever people get the urge of criticising MC's practice they should start with the Inner Smile, because this is the Core Practice of the HT/UT... but alas, MC's all about retention, big draw and prostate problems. riiight.... edit just to add: - I never heard of a guy doing too much Inner Smile and having problems with it - if one starts with the Inner Smile, and has enough experience with this practice, you'll be hearing of no more problems related to whatever aspect you read on alchemicaltaoism.com (i'd like to see that there someday, posted on every practice issue, as a means of balance: more inner smile, more inner smile, smile and 'see' what is it that you are doing inside yourself when you practice) - the Inner Smile is, among other goals, a means by which you adjust the perception towards your body. If you do it enough, your perception of what's happening in your meditation or qigong will be Very Good. this way you won't be having problems pushing too hard, overdoing practice, not paying attention to safety measures. - Babies, children, immortals, buddhas... many of them have the sweetest smile

there's this technique, in which you are all alone and nobody tells you what to do. instead, you experiment what you wish, when you wish it. it's usually performed in the bathroom, with a couple of nude pictures in front. i'll let you guess what it is. cuz this is what you are doing... you need not worry. i have the feeling you'll get exactly what you're looking for in china.............. edit: shorting the long quoted imbecile post

hi there drew, can't stop wondering........................ how would sleeping with a woman (for real) change your paradigm................................. maybe for the better........................ can't hurt to try.........................