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well... I'm all ears... if you really know more than we do, please care and share. All my info resources were tensegrity texts. You say forget Armando Torres. Come on. No one could fake something like that. And I read Sanchez, Tunnenshende, Ruiz and what not. Torres is real deal. Unless you yourself belong to such a lineage of knowledge, like they did... Which I would be very interested in. Oh I hope you wont play the mistery man, that's too common

please lin, i do understand your point... but did you learn about the experiments that were done years and years ago, connecting a plant to EEG and EKG, and aplying pressure, tearing the leafs etc ?? these experiments have been done by both the US and Russia... it's no bogus, they are real...and you can google a lot on it.., i may reccomend a book on it: the secret life of plants by peter tompkins and christopher bird... plants are very sensitive and very involved in practices of shamans and telepathy... of course they feel...

hi lin, these days am reading again dalai lama's autobiography, where he speaks about the clash between the Chinese and Tibetan civilisations... i think this is the same with this topic... the Chinese seem to be more a-moral than the Tibetan, at least thru the Dalai Lama's lenses. the doctrine of nonperpetuation of violence is more Tibetan than Chinese if we stand aside and just contemplate the two different cultures, it is just something incredible on one thing i agree with your detractors: anyway we put it, wether we eat rice or apples or steak or bull energy... we still eat life... vegetal life is for some people the most sensitive and affectionate they could ever find, i remember my aunt and her flowers, and the garden... even when we drink water, there is much microorganism life that is killed inside our stomach... even when we wash away the dirt of the day taking a hot shower... how could we surpass this, lin?

ok... at least i tried... it seems we talk paralel... no intersection

i agree with xeno for some points - what a coincidence my own research shows me that taoists were scholars and savants, not self-sufficient idiots... i agree with mantra 68 too, too much philosophy gets us nowhere my own research has shown me that too much beating around the bush is counterproductive, so to speak in the end, consider that kunlun may very well be something fit for people that prefer not to think too much regarding shifu max as a system buster... on one way, it could be interesting... but only in a way that, when you bust a system that doesnt work, you replace it with another system... if you watch nature closely, systems are ways by which nature tries to couple condition and referrence together, to enhance survival and progress... individuality is scarce in nature... we talk mainly systems, ecosystems... no offense ment, but this kunlun subject may interest some people around here, but not everyone... and everywhere i look, kunlun here, kunlun there... is just too much... please, wasnt tao about the middle way, not too much, not too little? another thing, if you please. my discussions with other wise members of this community seem to agree on one point... we all seem to feel that what shifu max teaches is good, but it feels like something is so incomplete... i dont know if you know what i mean... we didnt participate on workshops and that, but from what you as practicioners made us feel about this kunlun... this feels to be the case... i am only wondering and asking along, there is no need to be upset on that. i would really love to hear a clear point on that... up until now, matra 68, with all due respect, was very evasive... you may steal some attention with that system breaking-no theory theory, so what... there are still many that arent so convinced... by the way, if i want to, i could have bliss 24-7 and i dont think bliss leads to liberation liberation is liberation from all states, including bliss, isnt that what Lord Buddha said? Little

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you should keep in mind that when one starts another practice, first it is required at least one year and a half of pause, before the energy system can return to the original configuration, and then, each or the formulas need at least 3-4 years to really mature. after 2 or 3 of them, you would already understand the 7 formula, that you quote, in a very different way... good luck

good morning

there is an entire process explained at the tao garden, which can be reversed

darkroom and darkroom retreat is just the setting without the proper method, something may happen, or not just the setting is not sufficient anyhow, it seems that your body needs to meet some parameters before you enter the dark i suggest that if you are going to do that, you should consider what are the prerequisite and proper preparation of course, there are people that entered and were basically noobs, but what they experienced wasnt very important i have to say it again... the universal tao system has many, many layers of practice and understanding it depends on what you go for i think you should go, but with these things in mind, you should have a better perspective on things, knowing why something happened, and why something didnt good luck

Yes, Yoda, I think you are right, there are somethings that need to be changed. But I think Max's advice is about the technicality of the situation, is not a moral issue, firsthand. Technically you need to keep the fire down. Otherwise, you burn your experience. I think I may find a middle way sollution to this Can Protcraig write poems? Taoists were carefull on two things: telling too much and not telling at all. If their civilisation was about not telling at all, they wouldn't write so many metaphors to describe their training. What do you say?

my 2 cents: studying anything does not resemble being in a supermarket and searching for the best and cheap product once you understand that correctly, the path is open listen, all the practice and evolution is a process of developing a relationship between you and God, or the Heavens you need not convince or be convinced by a man your relationship is with the Life itself That means what? That you will be pointed a good path and a good teacher by Life itself You need not convince a man to be teached, you need to convince Life itself, that you can be valuable enough for the Heavens to invest in you the only language Heavens listen to is that of: good mind, good heart, good chi, good action good luck

yes please do keep us posted, it may turn interesting in the end, thanks

Thunder-crap way... this is more than interesting What does the guy do anyway?

Karen, excuse me, but up here, you rule

I dont think it is so simple. The bound of blood takes hard practice and deep understanding to overcome, at least in the fiew systems I studied with. If it can be solved with just some homeo medicine, would be great. I would need additional info on that, Karen

I found three issues here, and thank all of you for helping me put together a point of view on blood transfusion, of which I had little interest in. Expecially Karen, Taomeow, Lozen 1. Blood transfusion could be replaced with sea water serum, that means something for a start 2. Blood is your life, an essence of organic matter, jing and chi, plus DNA, your goods and bads 3. Donating blood is like sharing your essence with another person, the same thing happens when you share your essence sexually, there is a bond that is created. If you want to build up something, and these bonds are constantly rubbing you off of power, this can be a problem. I sincerely wish we would never come to need something like that, but if we do and is the only sollution, there is no discussion, we have to accept it. Much of my mind is concerned about the influence that this bond creates to other people. The link lasts for at least 7 years. The mixing of the blood makes you share much more than gratitude and thankfulness... 2 centavos

I stand rebuked

yes it depends on the intent of the practice and CC explicitly said that the passes do more than one thing, and go more than one way its just personal predilection what you choose to take from it Chang Sanfeng is different, because the intent of the practice is different taoists dont like too much human energy, there are greater sources and better quality out there but CC admitted that he couldnt tap things like that, due to his energy configuration i dont recall exactly where, it must be somewhere at the end chapters im glad you read it, its a good study too it has sense in it and one more thing, their way is not immortality, i think this is because they cut the human bounds too soon so their awareness lasts as long as the Earths awareness, coz the Earth is their primary source that is why other cultures learn to tap into more lasting sources, going back all the way to the Primordial it depends how you understand it Little1

WYG, tell me if I got you right: for eastern people, Chinese or alike, credentials are really something important and people don't mess up regarding that. At least every Chinese is very carefull with his credentials and the credentials of people whom he wants to deal with. This is the oriental way, and by that, they managed to go along pretty well and invent and discover all these pretty neat things, as kunlun etc... On the other hand, western minds like Mikaelz and such don't understand this, so don't worry. There is a big gap between one understanding and the other, and it's based on the fact that the east and the west deal with this credential thing pretty different... We are too inclined to leave this aspect to the 19:00 news, or gossip. We are not inclined to study the roots or etcetera... We like to know what the man says and if he can proove it. The rest, who cares? So... Kiss, hug and make up PS: If this is true, it doesn't mean I agree with it. I really like the oriental approach.

yeap, I see yo'r having a blast. not insulting, you nice fella'

thank you, Queer Tribal, what a nice name, i wonder what you mean with that name also Adam West sounds to me likehomo vesticus... that is, the western man, with the western mindset what a nice company here, huh?

Maan... have you read "Encounters with the Nagual" by Armando Torres? It is there that Castaneda says the following: he was given an almost impossible mission. And he needed huge amounts of energy which he could not gather, due to the energetic configuration of the three-part Nagual, as he were. So, he said, the remaining sollution was to create connections and attract the awareness of huge masses of people. Its pretty obvious, and he doesnt even hide the truth. But he simply does not say what real purpose has in mind. BTW, the book is really a good read... you should find it for free in some corner of the internet... I understand what you mean. But please read carefully what they stated thru the books. Specific practices have specific intents and specific energy types. Energy is not just energy. Have you tried moving the tensegrity type energy into the MO, just to see what happens? I did that a long time ago, it was interesting. They are right, to mix up two currents of ancient intent and practice you practically have to already be a superhuman or smthn...

dudes, kill the motor one sec before starting to write long lists of philosophical debates, try to define orgasm orgasm = ? and start it from there my take: orgasm is a general term for a variety of states... no one feels the orgasm EXACTLY the way others do... this happens especially if you try and educate your sexual life. the larger the education, the larger the variety. as with food, there are two distinctions: gourmand, and gourmet. the one that has to have it all, and now, and the one that is more inclined in savouring, quality like. also we could try the latin and greek definition also the biological definition please stop making general sentence-like assumptions we are unique and we experiment these things unique. those that prefer not educating sexual life, dont worry, you are still educated, by social unwritten rules the funniest thing about spontaneity and naturalness is that it has to be (re)learned Have fun