Ya Mu

I agree and that is NOT what I am referring to. The mind, as in everything to do with, brain, subconscious, conscious; everything IS lower level self. Higher Level Self is the true immortal Vibrant Being of Light that we are and really has nothing to do with this body/mind combination other than we rented it for a very very short period of time. ... It is just a body part. Has no meaning to the "you". OK, get ready for this one. The answer is that the person who did this would be using black magic. People who practice High Level Healing would not do this.

High Level Healing is always done within the Will of the Light. Your Higher Level Self operates only within the Will of the Light. Our lower level selves conceive all sorts of nonsense. NOTHING done within the Will of the Light will hurt you.

Don't know what you are asking?? I have a medical qigong clinic and teach others medical qigong as practiced in the hospitals of China.

Re: 3rd eye stuff needed. Not necessarily. True SEEING is totality of perception. This totality includes first "who you are" as in how much energy you brought with you when you came to the earth, how many lifetimes of experience you have and what you learned in those lifetimes, and then your personal time & effort energy practice. Some people SEE better with their eyes closed so it really doesn't have to do with looking. Different people who do energetic practices have different natural talents that manifest as they do the practice. Some people hear, some see, some read future energetics, etc. So the way your particular natural talent manifests may not have anything to do with looking. I can really relate to this. When I began my healing practice I knew about SEEING but I could not see the sick energy in peoples bodies. Then as my healing evolved all of a sudden I could see the sick energy as it left the body when I projected qi. Now I wish I could turn it off because it is really gross. But close my eyes? nope, still see it. Turn my head? nope, still see it. I have learned to be a causal observer and not get excited about it. Of course the real Being of Light is Divine. But the mind is of the lower level self, electrical signals that really don't mean a whole lot. So it depends if it is a Higher Level Self decision or a mind decision. Then if a healer is a High Level practitioner, whatever the patients Higher Level Self wishes, in conjunction with the Will of the Light will be the outcome, not what a person's lower level self thought.

Had to read that twice. It really doesn't matter as far as seeing; however most who train in a medical qigong program end up being able to SEE. Once they can, then it IS a measure of what is wrong or right about a person. AS far as the person on the receiving end it really matters not what they think. I work on folks all the time that really do not believe in energy projection or even ever heard of it. It also works on animals who have no belief at all. So yes, we can heal someone who THINKS we are full of shit. It is not difficult to break through the mental thing; that is the lower level self.

Seeing energy either requires that 1) That is your natural talent or 2) Raising the energy body vibrational frequency through time & effort energy practice. When one does that then they SEE that everyone glows. Energy practitioners that have put in the time & effort glow more than others. Cameras sometimes pick this up and sometimes do not. I remember once when my wife and I were driving through New Mexico and passed through a sacred area. I all of a sudden pulled off the road, jumped out and started communing with a powerful spirit that I had sensed there. My wife took the opportunity to take some pictures. When we got the pics developed there was the spirit, very bright, just where I knew it was. Why they show up sometimes and not others I have ideas but really do not know.

If solar was subsidized to the point that nuclear, coal, and oil is there is absolutely no reason that we could not phase out the nuclear and coal power plants. Yes it would take a while to implement but the technology is here today. It would be just as affordable as coal and already is more affordable than nuclear. To say that nuclear impact is overblown is a viewpoint that reflects non-study of the situation. Are you saying you actually believe we can store nuclear waste in concrete and steel and it not ever ever have leakage? Are you not aware of the close calls we have had with the nuke plants? I am and have been involved in studying this; we are only a hope and a prayer away from nuclear disaster. Did you know the design life of those plants was only 20 years and that every day they operate past the design life leads to degradation of safety integrity? How about the de-commissioning of the plant? How is it to be done? OK, take a crane and dismantle it. Woops! that crane is now contaminated. So let us take another crane and dismantle the first. Woops! that crane is now contaminated. ............past the half life......... And the thinking that we can all of a sudden build a lote of thos safe nuke plants and solve our energy situation. Do you know how many companies actually build these? OK, I understand your reaction to the word virus, but it is just an analogy. You would understand to what I am referring probably only if you believe the Earth is sentient. If you believe the earth is simply a thing I can certainly see why you would think that is weird. I would as well. But try SEEING the earths energy field that is just like the energy field you SEE around people, assuming you are an energy practitioner. It is the same, only larger. When people get contaminents in their energy field they get sick. At some point their immune system kicks in. The analogy certainly applies if we simply see what is happening with the Earth at this point in time. And while I am at it who doesn't get the fact that if we destroy all the trees then humanity will cease to exist? Acid rain, man chopping down trees to put up a parking lot, toxic contamination from chemicals; we need to start paying attention to those things NOW not later. And it should NOT be a political statement but a statement of living in harmony with all things. Chopping down trees to make paper? Hemp would be a lot better. The toxins produced by man are causing disease. Cancer from these toxins is rampant. WE ALL NEED TO WAKE UP! Forget about being a republican, democrat, oyster or whatever but instead let us all be what we really are, Vibrant Beings of Light and let us assume responsibility.

I sure hope not. ????? What makes everyone think that anything to do with solar energy or wind power has to do with Al Gore and control? It does not. Solar is a viable energy source that we should be using instead of coal or nuclear for several simple reasons that don't have a damn thing to do with any political agenda by any part or person. It is fact that coal has polluted our environment. We can't eat fish from most lakes or the ocean without being concerned about mercury content. The power plant burning of coal is responsible for the majority of this pollution. The moving of coal requires huge investments in burning diesel fuel to transport it long distances, which further contributes to pollution. And this doesn't take into account the mining and its implications of destroying the earth. We have moved ores about from one place to another not taking account of the ecologic and magnetic imbalances this creates. Nuclear energy is not the solution. How many are aware of or even concerned with the near nuclear disasters that we have had in the USA alone? Apparently not many. How many really believes that we can contain nuclear waste for the years it takes for this ugly TOXIN to reach "safe" levels? Do you really think concrete and steel can do that? We have no way of actually knowing but do you wish to bet the lives of your grandchildren or their grandchildren or great grandchildren? Solar energy is available NOW. All it takes is to invest in it. Many say they don't have the money but do have the money to buy an SUV. What kind of responsible priority is that? Yet our government subsidizes coal, nuclear, and oil to the point that, if these subsidies applied to solar we all could afford clean and distributed power systems. How many folks believe that central power stations are the best way to generate power? Apparently many. But if a person simply looks at the infrastructure required to do so they could easily conclude that distributed power makes a whole lot more sense. I think that we have choices to make and if we do not make the proper choices the earth will soon throw off the virus called humanity because it will not allow itself to be destroyed by humanity's toxic choices. If anyone has been practicing energetics for a period of 10 years or so then they ought to be able to feel the chaotic energy changes that are currently happening. Weather patterns are getting really chaotic. And this is fact and does not depend on one's political viewpoint. It depends on a person simply opening up to feeling the energy changes.

So why do you think that is two different things you are referring to? The so-called "psychic leaching" IS "energy leaching". Positive or negative folks? You recognize which leaches; this is energy leaching or negative energy projection resulting in a leeching of your energy, always one of the two. One thing a person can do is learn to shield themselves. One of the public methods I teach is to simply put up a purple bubble around yourself. Works really well. Besides a salt bath using sandalwood or white sage to clean your energy field as well as your house is a good idea.

Truth and "that which is real" IS truth and "that which is real" no matter what tradition it comes from. Burn through the illusions and truth shines through in any tradition.

And per the other posts that quote "scientific" data both viewpoints are correct. It seems to me that "scientific" depends on one's political viewpoint which was my reason for posting what I did. Apparently "scientific" has not formulated a single factual viewpoint, now has it? Otherwise there would be a single agreed upon viewpoint. I think planet X is responsible

It seems to me that most posts are reflecting politics instead of simply looking. If one looks at the ice shelfs, glaciers, mountain tops etc what do you see?

When we cease to perform actions based upon the mind, and instead raise our energy body vibration rate so that we can employ true LISTENING, and all actions are based upon that LISTENING, then we are walking within the Tao. This is the true non-action of wu wei. Once we do that then all events will synchronize to the point that it can be mind-boggling; this is good, the mind has ruled as the I for far too many folks for far too long.

Actually solar and wind technologies, as they exist today, if implemented, could totally change our energy use picture. If only 50 % of the world's population used only solar water heating systems (not even talking yet about adding solar electric or wind), then based on the fact that the typical family use of electricity is 20-30% of there total electric uses, there would be up to a 15% reduction in electric demand for the inefficient power grid system. This would result in many tons less pollution. Power plant use of coal has resulted in most lakes and ocean mercury pollution. This is an extreme health issue. Solar & wind, not coal or nuclear, could be implemented if there was an effort by our governments and education to the population. Germany, Japan, and now China have implemented strong solar programs while the USA has sat on our collective asses and done almost nothing. In the USA if we simply subsidized solar to the same tune that we subsidize oil and nuclear our power demand would be totally changed by the implementation of a reliable, FREE once it is implemented, distributed power generation system.

Customs differ through the world. I initially did not understand many of the Chinese customs and can't say I totally do now. But you know what? I don't understand many of our customs either. What I can say I found, is that people are people and the Chinese people have the same hopes , desires, aspirations, etc, as any other people. We are all the same.

I have had contact with one of Master Wang's senior Chinese students several times over the last few years. One thing about this is that Master Wang and his students worked with helping people awaken their inner talents. For instance, among my students are SEERS and other talents, not just the talent of energy projection. In fact, a person's natural talent will manifest with the practice of Stillness-Movement no matter what that particular talent is. Sorry to hear of your pain. For me, I have to give pain its due credit as a wonderful teacher. Without it I would have never found these wonderful systems of health & awareness. As far as your last sentence, it is improbable to really see what someone teaches from the net and in the case of Stillness-Movement, totally impossible. I can only talk around it. It must be experienced personally in order to have any idea of what it can do.

Evidenced by all the glaciers regaining their ice packs since 1990. And of course, there is ALL THAT SNOW AND ICE that has accumulated on Kilimanjaro since 1990.

Since it is hard to tell on the internet the intended inflections I have no idea if you are being serious or just clowning around. If you are serious with that answer then my experience is you are looking at the wrong thing in trying to make any decisions based on who trained with who. It sounds to me that you are not interested in the art itself? I apologize if I am interpreting this wrong, but if you wanted my advice, which my feeling is you probably don't, it is to look at the art that resonates with you and stick to it. If you want to learn to heal others seek a qualified Medical Qigong program. It is a serious art and science and, just like anything else, requires time & effort. If you want to just practice a qigong form I guess you already are? Stick with it if it works for you. A Teacher once told me it if far better to go a long ways down a single path than a short ways down many paths. This is, in my opinion, an uninformed statement. Qigong walking is entirely different than just a walk in the woods. Probably when I see the most transformations in students is when they do qigong walking and tree qigong. A serious question. You are probably too young to have fallen to any pain in your life? When one is young they tend to think they are physically immortal and nothing can touch them. At some point this changes for quite a lot of people. Pain can be a wonderful teacher but with continuation is a horrible thing that can put a damper on spirituality. Humanity, due to so many things such as toxins, thought forms, etc, has fallen in their basic energetics which has resulted in dis-ease manifestation. Humanity needs HELP. Each person that practices Stillness-Movement can assist by bringing in Higher Level vibrations. These vibrations do not stop with the practitioner but can help instill calmness where they are practiced. The world desperately needs calmness right now. Each person that learns medical qigong can make a difference with patients with dis-ease. Sometimes making a little difference changes a person's whole life. Take away their pain and watch their whole energy body change! This is also desperately needed by humanity.

Here is my bio I was a senior western student of Master Wang for close to 10 years before he passed on. He asked me to teach his system in the west saying "It is NOW time for this to be made available to the people of the West." Prior to studying with Master Wang I apprenticed for 12 years with a Taoist Master. But are you interested in the question, How can this system help you? or another better question, How can this system help you to help others?

Tapping into the Higher Level energetics is an awesome experience. But in order to do that we have to raise the vibration rate of our energy bodies, hence cultivation. I think that as long as we are working on human bodies/energy bodies there is no way to totally separate our own qi from the equation. One way of looking at it is a similarity to a power line. It comes to your home. An "unlimited" source of high power. But it is not in the form that we can use it. We have to have a transformer to step the energy down in order to make it compatible for the appliances in our home. And if we want continuous power we may put a battery/inverter in there as well. YES I know this is an extreme simplification, but substitute our energy body/body/dan tian for transformer/battery (but really transmutation), human body/energy body for appliances, and the Tao (Spirit, etc) for the power line. We could get more complicated or look at any number of analogies but this isn't a bad way to look at it. Regardless of how one wishes to look at it, cultivation is necessary if a person wishes to actually heal others with energy. I have personally worked on quite a few "energy healers" that thought this was not so. A severe accumulation of sick qi in all I saw. They get sick and grow old before their natural time. Those that say they do not get sick are not powerful enough to actually displace the sick qi from the other person's body. Those that say they don't get sick but have results are powerful enough to move the sick qi but the patient does not get well because they were not powerful enough to dremove the sick qi. But, hey, it is always a choice, is it not?

Absolutely. It has always amazed me of the number of "energy healers" who do not understand this.

For me it was giving up the fear and concern. Once I did that then the teacher found me, almost like a slap in the face the attraction was so strong. That is why I keep saying about what I teach, if you don't resonate with this then these teachings are not for you...

You are correct, it can be very dangerous. But if the science and art of medical qigong is applied it is a truly awesome healing method. I use it every day in my clinic and teach others how to do medical qigong at my school. I'll try not to sidetrack this thread too much, here are some thread links where I talk about this: Would be glad to answer any questions you have. http://www.thetaobums.com/Stillness-Moveme...2223-t8704.html http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showto...taoist+medicine

LAUGH. Yes, I do believe you are correct. I really got no respect in his clinic at first. He was famous in his area and was a friend of my teacher Master Wang. I am not into needle style so much and I really was only there for my wife to get a flavor of Chinese acupuncture from the real deal, and to get more clinical experience. The doctors in his clinic turned their noses up at me and the reason was that they didn't think a western guy could be a "real" qigong doctor. They actually found it hard to believe that Master Wang had taken me, a westerner, in to train for teaching medical qigong (this was after I was certified in medical qigong through the hospital that Master Wang ran). This attitude changed drastically as I worked on the patients. But I truly had to earn their respect, it was not freely given.