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Salt bath. I have always mentioned whole body (except ears and eyes) but one could just soak feet. For body I have always used 1 lb of salt, kick back for 20 min, then regular bath or shower. Any kind of salt you want; epson is OK but so is regular salt. The entire closing procedure listed in my book is a very effective qigong in itself. Can really help the channels open and help remove blockage/stagnation. Rubbing energy center surrounding laogong on palm on energy center surrounding K1 on feet alone could possibly help and is certainly worth trying, but I would do the whole procedure. Find a medical qigong practitioner; I have seen amazing results with that type of pain being eliminated.

Yes! I look forward to reading posts by both you and Walker. Folks such as you and Walker are actually studying and practicing. A breath of fresh air; thanks to both of you for posting. Please keep it up.

Hei Yu works too

Yes, an interaction it is, not something to be used as a tool but to DANCE with. The second we attempt to turn a dance partner into a tool we lose the experience of BEing with that dance partner. I wrote more on Wu Wei here.

I agree with this. Bold part mine. But to take the concept further, given that Taoism is a practical thing, that a person can be a (any country) Taoist, I say also a person can be AND anything else. Why? Depends on what one believes I guess. But why does anyone practice any particular method, whether it be religion, philosophy, or internal technique? I would submit the reason is that they feel it leads them to truth. If this is so, if Taoism is truth, and if it IS practical, then one could practice Taoism and any other thing that contained truth. For truth is truth and it doesn't matter if it comes from whether Christianity, Buddhism, Native American Spirituality, etc Of course some of the tenants of any particular thing would not be embraced as when one begins practicing a truth illusions can drop to the wayside. But if the core is truth, why can't there be a Taoist Buddhist, a Taoist Christian, a Taoist ANYTHING? How many have thought along this pattern? In other words a Christian Mystic that allows Wu Wei is doing the same thing that a Taoist does, is she not? He/she is dancing to the same pattern, is he/she not? In that sense, I am a Taoist Christian Buddhist Zoroastrian Zen Shaman. In other words the universal truth from anything HAS to be the same IF it is truth. And it certainly doesn't matter what country or planet in our universe that it is practiced in, nor does it matter what you call it. Personally, I found as much Truth from Lightning as I found from practicing Buddhism or Taoism, although the Truth in each is the same. In fact, I would prefer to take the ism out and just say that Tao practices me.

PM member YM Wong - perhaps he may have some insight for you. I think, unless you have destiny, it will be very difficult to find the real masters. As far as finding the real neigong/qigong guys, bear in mind the recent (last close to 15 years) government change in view of qigong, the only thing publicly taught is extremely watered down format that the government dictates. Not the real thing, at all. They will speak only of such like "scientific breathing method", show you some calisthenics , etc; hardly any medical qigong or internal alchemy. However, who is to say it is not your destiny that you will find what you are looking for. As to answer your question of do masters exist there now the answer is yes, but few and far between and generally speaking, you must have a special connection to meet them. The Temple of the White Cloud: saw some pretty wild things going on in there. Don't know how it is today, though. Probably mostly tourist trap (who knows what can be hidden in a tourist trap:) )

"Static/dynamic as: internal(static) VS external(dynamic): emptiness of the mind / body movement as in Spontaneous Chi Kung; external(static) VS internal(dynamic): zazen/breathing; zazen / all the vital activities takes place inside the body." Except the Stillness-Movement neigong is: internal (static), stilling the mind, [then not vs but allowing] internal (dynamic) which occurs due to specific internal - dynamic energetics then allowing external body - dynamic. In a sleep lab, we have measured brain waves (mine) doing standing stillness-movement for a time period of 3 minutes. Within 3 minutes, while standing, the brain went through the first 3 stages of sleep going steadily deeper and the body was moving. So Stillness - mind leads to internal energy Movement leads to external Movement of body. Really, it is the internal movement which is important. It simply follows that some external will occur as the body conforms (if we ALLOW) to the patterns internally, a microcosm-macrocosm thing. This allowing IS the body alignment with energetics.

Honestly, you were told multiple times on different threads about the system. You do have to pay attention and not make stuff up. There is no confusion whatsoever. It is called Stillness-Movement. That IS the name of the system. Static-Dynamic is an OK term as well. They really mean the exact same thing. But non-technical people would have more confusion calling it that. Static - Stillness Dynamic - Movement sinansencer Stillness-Movement should be done exactly like I taught in the workshop. Many thousands of hours of practice arrived at that which is taught. If you have any questions about what I taught in the workshop please email me or call me and I would be glad to clarify. Hope you are doing well!

Hi Creation. I recommended the rebounding, movement, speaking with someone, and other pursuits as I thought those things could help. One thing to realize. And I do hope I am not speaking out of turn here by saying this, as I always like to keep things private, so let me know if you wish me to delete this, but I don't think it is a secret here that you are far beyond very smart intellectual level. I really think that makes your inner journey more difficult. You are not alone in this, but you aren't exactly the majority either. While I am not at your intellectual level I was trained scientifically and I DID have a time that took some time getting there, due to my own mind fighting me. An instant qigong master I did not become. While most do "get this" quickly, some of us have a more difficult time. And, what I have found some did not realize until later how much they did get it all along but just thought they didn't. Many of the realizations in this system are beyond the mental and on other levels that have to do with our higher level selves. Sometimes it takes years to integrate this. I do think over time your mind will quit fighting you so much on letting go and I still think the physical exercises are a good thing that can possibly help and do encourage you to keep up the talks you are having. Best to you.

You say "medical qigong". But from reading the links posted very few are medical qigong. Do you mean self-healing qigong? Medical qigong is what is referred to as ability to help others through wai qi liao fa, or manipulation of energy. Self-healing qigong is varied ranging from calisthenics to internal energy development; most all qigong should meet this definition. If you really want medical qigong then your choices become much more narrow. Here is a resource for qigong teachers. http://nqa.org/find-member/ Level IV teachers have at least 10 years of teaching experience with the NQA doing extensive evaluation of the teacher's credentials.

"Fire in the belly" has been referred to the beginning of the creation of lower field dan tian. There are many qigong or rather neigong techniques for cultivating this. "Body breathing" is a misnomer but generally refers to the pulling in of qi through all pores of the body and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with breath. Breath can be utilized as a tool; others have already talked about it in the thread. For information about breathing, pay particular attention to what joeblast says; he has studied the subject. There are many approaches, however I suggest to just breathe naturally and separate the energetics from any mind oriented methodology. Focusing on breath alone can certainly lead to a mind-limited state - too much thinking and not enough energetics. Really, best to find a competent teacher and practice a lot. Personally, I suggest not basing something that changes your life on something said on an internet forum. For teachers of qigong/neigong here is a reference in USA: http://nqa.org/find-member/ Level IV teachers have at least 10 years of teaching experience with the NQA doing extensive evaluation of the teacher's credentials.

Here is a resource for qigong teachers mostly in USA. http://nqa.org/find-member/ Level IV teachers have at least 10 years of teaching experience with the NQA doing extensive investigation and evaluation of the teacher's credentials. You ask about energy; be aware some "qigong" systems do not much for cultivating energy and are more oriented as health exercises. For exercise I like rebounding as the single most efficient health exercise.

Yes we all feel this sometimes more than other times. The mind/brain is ALWAYS attempting to tell us it is who we are. This is what you are terming your small self. We can consciously know our true eternal selves but that doesn't mean we are not being attempted hijack at any time. The key is to make the "small self" the slave of the true self; this gets into our own personal concepts of things such as wu wei (link to my definition) and is much easier said than done. So many things, when we discuss them with words, start losing their meaning. I think there are many reasons we need to go through the process of humanity and having a body. It was only in the last 15 years or so that I have proven to myself one of my earlier theories, one very important reason; there is one particular thing that cannot be done while in Spirit. It has to do with our previous lives. We lose, through various interactions and deeds, parts of our energy. This energy can only be recouped while in body. Yes, I know this sounds weird. At first I did not wish to believe it. The proof comes from doing the specific neigong exercise I developed for this: The Sequential Energy Center Activation, Balancing, & Dimensional Expansion exercise. One aspect of this exercise is that when we jump through the astral layers into clear pure high vibration Light, we then have the opportunity to call back to us these energetics. We can because we have, for a brief period, transcended the "time" thing, and because we are in a vibrational level where our intent and energetics are pure and uncontaminated. Folks here asking me to expand on this need to remember I am speaking from the point of view of the system and tradition I practice. I do know that quite a lot of folks that post here like to jump around and add whatever to their practice. I am referring to the Stillness-Movement system which has different conclusions, abilities, benefits than other systems. So, if one is not in this system, I CAN"T speak too much more of this. I posted on this thread because I saw a practitioner had reached a specific level within this system and I consider it an awesome and needed thing he has done. The Stillness-Movement Dream Neigong is a part of the Stillness-Movement sleeping Neigong which is a part of the Stillness-Movement Sitting Neigong. It takes students of this system anywhere from 3 months to 15 years to begin this dreamtime interaction; those who embrace the system sooner rather than later. This interaction is not anywhere close to what is referred in the books as lucid dreaming and is a total different thing. Most interaction of these type of things are on the astral level which is not at all what I am referring to.

"I sometimes wonder how I (knowing so little ) can be helping at all.." YOU are a vibrant and powerful Being of Light and know far more than you realize. even if you did make this statement in modesty. You were drawn to the path of cultivation because you have already done so in previous lives - yes, you certainly DO make a difference with others. This is a difficult subject to talk about due to what sonhofman said about the brain/mind processing of multidimensional events. My understanding is that we make these agreements both before we come to Earth and during our awareness growth. In other words, these type of things, in terms of helping others, are accomplished only when we reach a certain point. This "certain point" can be during other lifetimes so that we bring this with us and do it but may not remember until we are re-awakened to the awareness of multi-dimensionality interaction through our efforts of cultivation. The "who is it that is teaching us" is a good question. My experience is that it is usually some Being of Light who sits on YOUR council table, what I refer to as "spiritual lineage", as well as sometimes visiting teachers, most who reside on higher levels but sometimes those who can do this that reside on Earth. Some of us are extremely lucky in that we get to meet and study with a person here on Earth who is of the same spiritual lineage. When I met Master Wang the first words he said was "So good to see you again, my friend"; I had been drawn to him like a moth to a light bulb. I know I teach all the time in other "worlds" and have clear memory of most but not all of this. Sometimes I am a bit surprised when I get an email from someone I don't know who tells me I came to them in dreams and taught them a specific qigong thing; other times I have clear memory of it. The "deciding who to teach" is simply not a decision that my brain oriented part of me makes. It is done by agreement on the higher levels.

I was not referring to the wandering dream souls but to the disembodied liars that reside on the astral levels. Two totally different things. These liars are spirits one encounters when he/she doesn't raise his/her energy body vibration past the point where one can jump through the astral level layer. Sonhoffman has, through the practice of Stillness-Movement, done this raising of energy body vibration where he can jump past that non-sense layer to true multi-dimensional awareness.

sinansencer, Good to see you thinking in terms of helping others with painting. I have trained a number of people to utilize medical qigong in this manner as we have methods in the system for doing this. We have demonstrated this form with 100% result in workshops. Note I am not an artist but can teach artists how to do the medical qigong this way. Concerning money: I had a student about 25 years ago who did this with painting portraits. She could SEE and painted in the fields and energy center interactions. She made really good money doing this and was booked up with many people all the time. She did one for me - it was very interesting.

Good job! Isn't it great when you see the look in folks's eyes after their pain has gone? At this moment when we look in their eyes our souls connect and it is a feeling of almost overwhelming love. But do remember to be careful about the sick qi, really nasty stuff. Also remember detachment after the medical qigong. I did a session on a fellow last week and saw a virus leave his body. Just seconds after I saw this he said that he felt that the funny feeling he had all afternoon, where he felt like he was "coming down with something", was totally gone and that he felt it leave when I was doing a particular qi projection on him..

Stillness-Movement dreaming qigong is real interaction on a multidimensional level. Glad to see you have arrived at this. We jump past the astral level where the disembodied liars and non-sense reside, on to the higher levels. From there we do any number of interactions, usually helping someone. Rest assured you did help this person in a significant manner. I like how you put it about the number of bits of information processing there and when we come back the brain has to interpret that information with it's available resources. Sometimes we are able to get total accurate interpretation and other times we know in our true-heart that something went on beyond what the brain, operating in this dimension, is capable of interpreting.

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Ah yes. Good. I also have seen much difference when using medical qigong supplemented by nutriceuticals. My mom was diagnosed with congestive heart failure and had several heart attacks. At the time the doctors suggested she didn't have long on this Earth. I used medical qigong and gave her hawthorn berry but also high doses of Co Q10. She lived another 12 years.

In clinic I have seen much caused by the structural aspect. Usually pressures created by imbalance leading to loss of range of motion of atlas and axis appears to be single largest contributor. But also have seen this due to energy stagnation at wrist gate. Agree that environmental causes also can be heavy contribution. When we think about it, here we have this large free-floating antenna that is our neural distribution system. It is a freakin wonder that things are not worse than they are and that anyone can make it while wading through the electromagnetic/rf interference that we are bombarded with. Eternal_Student: Hi! Good to see you posting again.

One thing to consider is the study done by the Japanese doctors where they monitored the brain waves of both Qigong and Zen practitioners. Zen folks sat quietly. Qigong sat quietly but allowed energetics to move. The researchers found that both dampened down brain waves but the Qigong folks had also stimulated the creative centers of the brain whereas the Zen folks did not. (and no I do not have a link to this study, I THINK it is listed in Dr Sanciers qigong database of abstracts.) My experience is that the greatest effect of true calmness, energetics, and awareness enhancement happens when true Stillness occurs allowing Movement; hence my practice of Stillness-Movement. I did not get nearly the same effect when sitting Zen style or when suppressing the movement. A combination of sitting and movement practices is what I have seen to be the best balance, although some movements, like the Gift of Tao, do arrive at the same place as Stillness-Movement sitting where one induces the other. The word "meditation" can be argued a lot as to its true meaning. But there are many "meditative" practices and I personally consider "moving meditation" to be valid form of meditation.

Yes we will discuss these movements. It is OK if you haven't made it through all of them before the 20th. Also, if anyone else wishes to register for this please wait until Jan 1 to register. It is ok to send me an email and I will make sure you are on the list.

By popular demand, the next Distance Neigong Class begins January 20. Details on www.qigongamerica.com

This means it is working. Perfectly natural.