Ya Mu

I don't think it weird. Focusing on people is somewhat different than seeing everything else. I think it would be interesting to see what happened if you did it where people didn't know you were scanning them (for the purpose of you knowing there would be no interaction) then it may be different. One thing I have found is that even though there are commonalities, it works somewhat different for different people. For instance, some see better with their eyes closed, some see better with their eyes open. And for some, it is difficult to tell where the visual spectrum leaves off and other senses are at play; which, of course, is what I mean by totality of perception. Utilizing this totality of perception we are no longer limited by the visual spectrum. I think in your case quite possibly by focusing on a person you are narrowing your spectrum back to "normal" so the trick would be holding the spectrum.

"while what terms to use to name it (or how to interpret the colors) is not as important as to notice it and do something about it?" Yes, this is the important thing. The system I teach, as far as correlations with TCM; about the only thing consistently in common is that the energy channels exist and the energy vortices (acupuncture points as described AND other) exist. I have a portrait of me with energy centers and external field depicted that one of my students did about 25 years ago. This student was good at seeing. Speaking of colors, it is a riot. In our "Seeing" training we work on seeing inside the body also. Everyone has different level of talent with seeing. In our system, practice of Stillness-Movement helps these natural talents manifest. I see anywhere from one weekend to 3 years for a person to develop this when practicing Stillness-Movement. It is really cool to be hanging out with a student when this kicks in for the first time. Great entertainment.

I can show them in a direct manner and most will say it is only coincidence. I have found over the years that it isn't even worth attempting to convince people; as I said above they are going to believe what they wish to. In fact, I now only deal with those who are seeking it rather than to attempt to convince others. I guess if someone that wished to financially sponsor a study came along I would participate, but I am too old for the nonsense.

LOL, Story? Cool story. I have lots of stories. For instance I could say the white light meant he was having a heart awakening. The green means it hasn't opened fully, etc. And no one could prove me wrong. It is the ABSOLUTE-isms in the newyagey literature that gets me - both this color and that chakra - things I have determined for myself to be not true (anyone else can believe it if they wish). In your story example quite possibly, through EXPERIENCE the guy has learned a good deal about it. But it really doesn't mean the same absolutism as from a viewpoint that realizes these things are dynamic and not static. I didn't say the colors have no meaning at all. Sometimes can even be helpful. But if we limit our analysis to a color - OK, what happens if the patient just walked off the street and just before they walked in they met a person they know who just pissed them off to no end. Would our "color" analysis be valid as an overall representation of the health of their energy body? No, because in an hour or so they would change. Any number of examples can be given. The dynamics must be taken into account. When dealing with energetics we will not have the highest efficacy if we limit ourselves to the colors seen at the moment; we need to go way beyond that. Yes, in the end we do utilize vibrations but if we went into the treatment thinking we need to change this color at that chakra, etc. it would be very limiting and not an overall treatment based on holistic factors. This type of thinking misses the boat on a true energetic analysis because very few people can see dimensionally. (heck, most people don't even know it exists, much less see) Guess what? The colors CHANGE. So what colors one sees depends on their overall development as well as their own personal talents. I do train students to SEE. But we realize these "chakras" as well as "aura's" have dimensionality and don't limit the treatment. Skeptical? How about "refined". I have worked with "Seers" for a very long time; this is what I believe to be true based on experience. I too am like the previous poster in that I just don't pay much attention to auras, colors, etc because I am more effective when I don't. And just when I have thought in the past that I had it all figured out I would get a case that skewed the data. I know that many people who say these things have not burned through their filters; when they do it all changes. I have seen this fact empirically over and over and over for the last 35 years. Many times natural healers see things that are not the same as what others do; their seeing is not based on simple colors but on an overall totality of perception factor. And a final comment is that TCM cannot be applied to this subject in an accurate manner. Medical Qigong energy healing and analysis differs extensively from conventional TCM.

Man oh man, I am glad to see that everyone out there is not taken in by all the crap published on this subject. OP: The white color means you are a child of Atlantis, the expanding means you need to work on your 3rd eye to help your heart chakra open, the green was one of your deaths, the one when you were surrounded by water and a statue fell on you, the yellow means you got too much solar radiation in a previous life and you need to eat cabbage to offset it. (not making fun of you, just having fun with the potential interpretations you will get from people.) Look inside and see what it really means to you. The energy field is always in a state of flux.

"I'm sorry, these so called "studies" were not done in the USA and can't be monitored by proper scientific authorities so they have no validity." Me parroting what I have been told by so many idiots when I have presented similar studies to people. Dr Sanciers Qigong Database (see qigonginstitute.org) presents abstracts from a huge collection of studies as well. People are going to believe whatever they want to believe no matter what anyone that actually knows says. But an interesting observation is that I have seen well over a thousand people in medical qigong clinic who outright stated they didn't believe in this "nonsense" and only came because a friend or relative pressured them into it. But the funniest thing (funny to me) was the look on their face when they got up off the table totally pain free. Priceless!

OP I am probably one of only a few that to an extent agrees with you. I have been appalled at the fact it seems far too many posters have what I see as an overall unconsciousness of of the entity of Light called Earth. Of course it is a spiritual subject. One that, at the present, should be at the top of our concerns. I personally don't understand anyone who says otherwise. What I see as FACTS are that changes are occurring; what is not agreed upon by the masses is what causes them. The problem is that folks here seem to want to think it is a political subject. Of course it isn't, but has been made into one by the posters. What should happen is an intelligent discussion leaving out the politics, but apparently that is too much to ask from the people who post. That said, I personally have been amazed at the board owner's "nice guy factor" at keeping this board up. I don't imagine that it even pays for itself and if I had of started it no way would I have put up with the bullshit he has from posters who think they should call the shots. I don't agree with the moderators many times, but the point is they were appointed by the owner of the board to make decisions and if any particular person wishes to keep posting those decisions have to be accepted.

Standing is Great! With Trees, Great!

Chair is good. I bought the neatest small present this Christmas that is a rocking foot platform (one for each foot). Sit at a desk and rock the foot forward and backward. Pumps blood and exercises muscles, and I would think help to keep open the gate at the ankles. I may get some for myself to experiment with while sitting in chair. They were only 10 bucks or so; got them at amazon.

This full lotus / not full lotus is analogous to Polarity therapy versus medical qigong. In a natural resting state, with no intent and no developed dan tian indeed the hand polarities (side to side) can make a difference. But once a person has developed intent and dan tian it simply doesn't matter. You do what you want. As long as you don't sit in torture with cutting off of blood circulation, it is OK. To cut off blood circulation is pure stupidity. I have students who do and those who don't sit in full lotus. Several of those who don't are so far more advanced than those who do it isn't even any comparison, even though they started at the same time. From my standpoint as a teacher I don't care as long as they do the sitting. It is up to the individual student. Seiza is OK too!

I think this is a pretty fair assessment. (but eeeeuw - touchy feely) Many times it IS amazing when students do the Tree qigong for the first time. I have found both this and when we do the walking qigong to be times of BAM! OMG! for many people. BTW I may have not been posting much lately but do occasionally drop by and I have read some interesting stuff you posted where I can see in particular where one of your talents has significantly progressed - good job.

Read last bolded part in post below Quite possibly it did go deeper because you were convinced it would, initially. Then after practicing a realization that it didn't. Anytime discomfort comes into the equation it is not a good thing and will not enhance the practice. If you are going to do full lotus then approach it gradual. Utilize stretching practices to assist. It is NOT a good idea to cut off the circulation. It is OK if you reach a point where it is comfortable. Won't gain you anything in the practice, but it is OK. BINGO!!!

For a bit of clarity, since Jing Dong Gong was mentioned, folks need to realize that "touchy-feely" (dang, gave me a weird feeling just writing the word(s)) is not exactly how I would describe it, but as described above is only the initial stage of Stillness-Movement (Jing Dong) Tree Neigong. MOST people definitely sense and are able to palpate the tree's energy field after charging up with the Stillness-Movement practice. When one delves deeper into the system we discover that it is more a shamanic method than a "methodology" method, but it has a real depth to the practice. Also, the Stillness-Movement practice, while excelling in getting a person to where they can do medical qigong, is a true impeccable inner alchemy neigong method. After all, if a person can't get to where they can manipulate qi (medical qigong = wai qi liao fa), I would ask exactly where is the alchemy(?) and if they can then most definitely there IS inner alchemy happening. I would agree that many of the neigong methods do end up similar in several aspects. Yes you should approach these things at your own pace; everything works better that way. HOWEVER, I would like to point out to you that you are already full on into inner alchemy, are doing quite well, and have made far more progress than you realize. One thing all people on the path(s) should realize is that EVERYONE ELSE has had to go through the process of "purging of all the nonsense" and it is far easier said than done, is a process, but is entirely doable. Just don't try too hard - takes the fun out of it and is the source of most failures. And full lotus is not needed or necessary; OK if anyone wants to do it. Trees are awesome!

Put in bold. Deserves repeating! Bold. Worth repeating. You certainly have a good point. I agree with you that many "theories" don't hold water and some are pure bullshit; only experience can teach the true versus the false. I think what everyone has been trying to tell you is that specifics may be better than just saying that there are "cheaters" in qigong. This is a reflection our society. Name one area of "expertise" that does not have "cheaters"...it doesn't exist. But what you should already know is that there are many legitimate teachers of qigong in our world; in the West and in the East. Most of them work very hard to help others learn the energetic arts and some make tremendous sacrifice to do so. Yes, there has been quite a bit of deception. But there has also been a tremendous amount of good teachings spread in the qigong world. I once attended a "qigong" conference in China with a huge stadium full of folks who attended. The "master" chanted and then had people rub the bottom of their feet. What was supposed to happen was that the qi was to eliminate toxins and the toxins would "ball up" into a dirty looking ball. The thing was the guy had no clue about qi and certainly didn't project any. But literally hundreds and perhaps over a thousand had little balls of "toxins" that "proved" it worked. Of course this was mostly simply dirt and sock fuzz. Now did the guy "cheat" the people who attended? Yes and No. Yes in that it was not qigong that he did. No in that a lot of the people had a mind/body happening where they felt better. Bold. Bears repeating as this is a key to Tree qigong. A matter of respect. I encourage you to go to country, park, or backyard and do standing and/or Gift of Tao movement with the Trees. You will do fine with this! OP: Learn the SYSTEM. Tree qigong is a part of many systems. But the system itself can be/should be a catalyst for the Tree qigong and shouldn't be separated. In other words, depending on anyone's particular sensitivity to energy they may or may not feel an interaction with Trees. But if they practice the associated system, everything should be amplified by an order of magnitude.

There is a reason you have felt directed to Kwan Yin. I know you haven't been practicing much lately, but I encourage you to not lose sight of the Stillness-Movement practice. I posted then decided it was better to just PM you with it; you can decide whether to re-post it publicly.

For a bit more depth, the NQA is an organization for everyone that offers certification standards in qigong & medical qigong. The other organizations listed, to the best of my knowledge, do not. The closest thing in the NCCAOM is their Asian Bodywork Therapy certification. But even this doesn't assume any specific training in medical qigong. The highest level of certification in the NQA is level IV which is Teacher level. Any level IV teacher can offer certification programs where the graduates, when completing the required number of hours, are offered certification by the NQA. Their 500 hour clinical practitioner certification is where one could look if they were searching for clinical qigong practitioners. These standards were developed with years of input from the qigong community. I know this was a HUGE effort, because I was on the standards committee that helped develop the standards. While the standards themselves can't insure talent or continued practice by the individual, they do insure that the practitioner is not just some guy or gal off the street who decided this was a quick way to make money (it isn't, by the way).

One does "Listen" for the response. One gets to know the patients in a unique manner. Yes, words to describe do come short of the thing itself. I remain astonished even after all these years. I was doing a session yesterday and watching the sick qi run out from different areas of the body and was thinking again that I just have not seen an energetic bodywork technique that even comes close to the efficacy of Taoist medicine.

There are lots of ways. Absolutely people should not be trying this unless they are properly prepared.

I saw him yesterday at a bar in the Bahamas. It was an ice cream bar and he was standing there with these cool looking sunglasses on while mildly flirting with the pretty girl behind the counter. What was interesting was that while he was doing that he was looking across the street contemplating going for a goombay smash. I think, however, his reasons were there was another pretty girl standing over there, kinda giving him the eye. But what was really cool while doing all the above he was practicing standing qigong, had stilled his brain waves, was practicing contemplation & right view, while in the background he was doing qigong healing on a little old lady across the way, while also interacting multi-dimensionally with some advanced ascended masters. Now do ya think he really needed to come on here to talk?

Actually, this closing method can also be utilized as a stand-alone qigong exercise; it helps open EVERY channel, starting at the scalp, arm/hand, chest, back, inner and outer legs, and feet.

This needs repeating.

Just as any professional field of study, it is costly to get a real education. There are no books that I can recommend. However, if you are really interested in learning there are a couple of programs I can recommend. Books will never get a person to the same point that real education will. Want to be a brain surgeon? Which book is recommended so one can learn it and actually utilize it? Medical Qigong in its own way IS as complicated and in many ways MORE complicated.

As evidenced by the number of systems or teachers listed above many systems contain healing methods within. Medical Qigong has complete treatment methods developed in hospital and clinic. These systems, which were mostly taught by a very few Qigong Hospitals, were methods developed during the late 40's - 50's and refined up to somewhere around the year 2000 in China. This does not mean that all the methods were only conceived then, but I believe there was a certain sharing of knowledge and methods developed through actual use of treating patients. Of course each system was shaped by the knowledge of the "principal" of each individual hospital and some of the methods achieved greater results than others. For instance some of the hospitals had much greater reputation than others. Also, efficacy has always been proportional to a doctors individual qi development and that individual qi development shaped by the particular qigong methods one practiced. A requirement of medical qigong is the ability to perform wai qi liao fa. I know that here in the USA a number of people who never acquired that ability have liked to use the words "medical qigong" in teaching people various breath and movement and meditative methods. This is a misnomer and I believe it to be a "me too" phenomena of people who simply do not know or who wish to add to their professional credentials. Although the ability to perform wai qi liao fa is required, it is really a first step in learning the application of many different techniques to treat different dis-ease; therefore "medical qigong". If a system does not offer an aspiring student, upon graduation, the ability to open a clinic and achieve consistent results in alleviating suffering, then it is not medical qigong, but a watered down reflection of it. The ability of a few teachers to have results, IF NOT REFLECTED BY THEIR STUDENTS, has not much meaning in terms of it being a "medical qigong".

If you are ill see a physician. My opinion is that when one is ill strenuous physical exercise should be avoided, and depending on the illness, replaced with mild or no exercise until one feels better. All exercises of any kind should reflect balance. I know many people who practice MA along with qigong that do quite well.

Yes, I believe that to be be true as well. Also, I see systems listed which are not medical qigong school systems. Many of the systems listed simply have a few healing methods within the system (and I guess that is what I asked for in OP). I should have been more clear in what I posted originally as to what I was looking for. Still, interesting to have a list of systems and/or teachers which do incorporate some specific healing methods. I think there is much confusion as to what a medical qigong school actually teaches. I found that to be true when I was attending the medical qigong standards committee meetings in the NQA when we set certification standards in the USA for medical qigong. There are really still very few medical qigong schools out there, I know of only a handful of valid schools in the USA, and with the Chinese government crackdown on the teaching hospitals (most are now closed or highly regulated as to what they can say and/or perform) the real complete system methods from China are not being passed on like they were years ago. In the last 10 or so years many people were taught what they thought was medical qigong but really is a sad and small portion of what the true systems contain.