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Hi Garry, The point I was attempting to make is not to do it instead of doing it. IMO it is a total waste of time. I played with that kind of stuff many years ago and wasted time; didn't do anything whatsoever in terms of qi projection training one reason (there are many) because there IS NO FEEDBACK as in qi projection for healing. And what is accomplished? The paper moved? Wow. Why not instead project to someone hurting and take their pain away instead of at paper? I just think it is a total waste of effort. I do have a video posted of projecting to a person. This is my opinion. Anyone that wishes to amaze their friends at parties by making paper move instead of healing them can have at it if that is what they wish to do. I agree with you about the talents; like you said, if anyone practices a real system any natural talents will manifest regardless if a person wants or doesn't want them to.

Yes, a natural unfolding is IMO better and less traumatizing. Step by step. A rock song we wrote in the 80's: Breaking Through the Barriers, Step by Step, Make it to the Inner Court, There the Secret is Kept, Turn to See You're Surrounded, A Blinding Light is Seen, Open Your Eyes and Realize, This Is Not A Dream ...

Jane I agree with a lot of your perspective. You may or may not have noticed that I usually post against utilizing qi to attempt mundane things. The latest thread about moving paper with qi is an example. From my perspective and experience, these attempts do not help a person train their qi and my conclusion is like yours; this is a total waste of effort. Agreed. If the training is real, it will happen because it is a natural part of you. IMO we should embrace the totality that we are. All natural talents will manifest.

I will defer to others about the terms kundalini and shaktipat. These terms are not usually in my vocabulary. To your question, everyone moves differently although there are common type of movements. Yes, sensitivity to qi does mean quite a lot. After a person has practiced stillness-movement they do become more sensitive. They may move just a little in the first workshop then a whole lot in the 2nd. I manipulate creative energies of different High Level vibrations; it depends on which task I am attempting to do. In other words, if I am attempting to stop a heart attack it will be different vibrations than "lighting the fire". With all due respect to all the books and teachings that will attempt to tell you all is known about energetics, the fact is that what we know (linearly, brain wise) is in it's infancy. All attempts to describe it are total runarounds in that they never describe the real thing. When we do a healing (and I use we as in the method I teach) it is a quantum level event that really can not be explained linearly. Nor the projection on the video. It is NOT simple "throw qi at the student" which I have seen done many times and had done to me several times. I guess this sort of thing can help but it is not what I do. Nor do I use the mind or brain in any way in terms of the energy manipulation itself. You asked how much it helps a student. This is an "awakening" type of energetic intervention. It helps tremendously in that in addition to all the things I have already mentioned in this thread (opens the channels, opens and balances the energy centers, removes energy stagnations) the student's basic awareness shifts through the raising of the energy body's vibration. It makes it much easier for them to touch vibrational patterns that were previously out of reach. In other words, their qigong becomes much more powerful each time they undergo this. This translates to what I am teaching as the student has much better efficacy at healing others.

100% agreed; thanks for posting that!

You know, it seems to me that these type of practices, at least the real varieties, are few and far between. I remember the very first NQA conference I taught at. Here you had practitioners of just about every variety of qigong that exists, but the majority of folks had a difficult time letting or allowing; most want to do. In other words, the systems than the majority practiced were mostly based on 1) Jumping up and down purposefully shaking the body 2) purposefully moving the body 3) purposefully using breath control and 4) brain/mind based visualization. I have found that being can be far more powerful. Allowing can be the peak performance. Non-interaction with brain/mind can allow (full not partial) interaction with that which can't be named but can only be talked around and never fully described. In other words I have found this method to be far more powerful. And of course if I say this it will quickly be pointed out to me that I teach a movement system. But the movement system I teach is derived from the advanced practices of the Stillness-Movement. A lot of systems can work in that it all comes down to fully awakening to who we really are. But there is the matter of efficiency. I agree that the Heart is a key. Re-watch the video and you will see that I worked extensively on Heart. Some of that you can't actually see (as in looking) because the camera was not showing the final piece of that but if you watch again I think (you, probably not everyone) can SEE this. Of course, this particular student DID attend with a completely open, empty cup perspective, which helped the whole process immensely. I ALWAYS work with Heart extensively. I never say anything I can't back up. It could boil down to definitions. For example what the other two above were saying about "cutting off the head" sounds like the same thing and I think it is the same thing, but I can't say for sure, because it certainly is possible it isn't. So if your definition does not coincide with mine you will be disappointed. If your definition does coincide then you would be ecstatic. All I can say is that most can feel when I do this. It leads to dampening of brain waves and a sense of timelessness & dimensionality for the students; for them everything all of a sudden gets stiller than still. I did say sometimes this process takes multiple workshops. Reconcile path? Difficult, eh? I agree. Of course I, as many folks who were seekers and practitioners when Castaneda wrote his books, were heavily influenced by his words and descriptions. But I had already started having dreamtime experiences and eventually, even though a lot of the pathway described coincided with my own, I came to different conclusions about the finality of existence. If you have read my book I am sure you will recognize this difference of conclusions. I am not sure that Castaneda did not take great literary license. I sure am grateful that he stimulated so many people to seek beyond the mundane. I have had the same problem as you in that one path says one thing and another path says another. I think it boils down to personal experience and our interpretations of that experience. A lot of my Taoist training is oh-so-different than what most describe on this forum. I do feel that we have to practice the warrior's path, as anything else is not being true to ourselves. I also think that quite a lot of what is written about Taoism is not the real Taoism. It appears there is a vast difference in the scholarly versus the hand-me-down oral tradition. All that said, I also think that these paths eventually blend into one. I know that for me my Taoist training, shaman/medicine man training, and yes, even the intense stimulation from reading, studying and practicing from Castaneda's works, all combine into one whole. Little1, If you ever wish to attend one of my workshops you can do so, I would be glad to see you. Then afterwards decide for yourself if you wish to pay my fee. I don't have all the answers, but I firmly believe that the real YOU does have the answers needed NOW.

Although for some people it is easy to still the mind, and I am always totally amazed at those people, for most it is the tough part. I tell students to not think, and, if they are having problems (most do), to just be a 3rd party observer. Recognize a thought for what it is but don't indulge in it. Of course this is easier said than done. But the more a person practices it the more it can happen. But the real key, in the method I am teaching, is that teachers of this method must be able to stop the world. Once we are able to do this we work on being able to project this along the qi wave. Think communications theory, modulation, and carrier waves. We then are able, for a brief period of time, to stop the world for others. So I do this for each student repeatedly until they are able to still the mind and eventually stop the world. One could make this all mystical sounding and would probably be quite accurate, for it is mystical and magical. Or one could look at it simply as being able to dampen the students brain waves - an accurate but not as fun way of looking at it. This process can be done in one class but usually takes multiple exposures.

Yes, qi was bouncing off the walls What goes on behind the scenes is what most students don't see. Everyone moves differently but there are some common "spiral" movements among practitioners of Stillness-Movement. I have actually had several hundred move initially in the manner this student moved - as did I when I first met Master Wang. I still occasionally move in this manner. Did you notice the multiple sine waves and harmonics, then the dampening?

Simply the most efficient physical exercise that exists. Stimulates the immune system. And with the soft-bounce technology, very easy on the body's joints. And just for clarification to the OP; use the book I suggested as a reference but, as yuanqi said, the presentation would need to be overseen by a TCM doctor. Agreed. I mentioned it because it will be the first thing mentioned by western herbalists concerning Lymes. Lymes / rocky mountain spotted fever / ehrlichiosis - all tickborne rickettsial diseases are extremely complicated and still mis-diagnosed today.

Here is a book that has some info on Chinese Medicine & Lyme disease. Have your friend attend this workshop: in Terre Haute, Indiana on May 22,23. I am probably going to do some clinical qigong healing sessions there the day before the workshop. I do have a medical qigong clinic in Missouri. I have a special interest in tick borne illness as I suffered rocky mountain spotted fever. These illnesses are misunderstood and not a whole lot of real information published. There is also a medical qigong / Chinese therapeutics practitioner in Brazil, Indiana that knows a lot about Lyme's as he has suffered through it. PM me if you want more info. These movements combined with rebounding ( I only recommend Needak brand for its soft-bounce surface - yes I do sell them) could help as well. This is what helps me with my tick-illness induced pain. I also take large doses of high quality fish oil, tumeric with bioperine, resveratrol, and a product called curazyme manufactured by Integretive Therapeutics corp. There is another herb that many herbalists talk about with Lymes and tick borne illnesses; Teasel - I tried it and it didn't help.

I can't give out any info about him. I will say he was an outstanding person and will do really well with Stillness-Movement. He will be doing strong qi healing within 3-6 months. I am extremely lucky in that the folks who are usually attracted to my workshops are some of the nicest and intelligent folks one could meet.

I project front and back, top and bottom, and (no direction that can be described - dimensionally). What you may have missed in the video at one point I was working on heart through the front. And yes, you are correct about the non-linearity; I could have stood several feet away turned in the opposite direction and done the same thing - wouldn't have looked good on camera :lol: /quote Yes I did use Ming Men and Bai Hui and use these centers quite often. Most everyone that comes in has depletion/imbalance at meng men. But during the video there was not a single energy center and gate that was not addressed. Your question can be a loaded one. What I have seen is this: If a student goes home and immediately practices the Stillness-Movement a minimum of an hour a day they do not lose the qi feeling. If they are healers this minimum bumps up to 3 hours a day. If they really want to progress to the maximum and become teachers then 5 hours a day minimum plus eventually learn to hold the qi 24 hrs a day. All that said, it really never is the same as in the workshops until the student reaches a very high level. I project qi the whole workshop and work on every student individually just like the one in the video. So I project qi for 3 days straight. After this workshop I saw patients the next day and was not depleted. But I practice 24 hrs a day. The cool thing is that a student can attend a workshop, go home and practice, then attend another workshop and receive an amazing "bump up" in level. I don't know why you are losing the effect after receiving the qi. Stress, type of practice, health, lack of sleep, etc. all can have negative contributions. But possibly you are not really losing the effect but the "new level" is the new normal.

The qi was moving him. What was occurring? I tried to somewhat explain that in the referenced blogpost but will try for better clarity here. Many things are happening at once. A teacher of this method projects qi to the student to raise their energy body vibrational rate. During this process some of the things happening are 1) Opening and balancing of the channels 2) Opening and balancing of the energy centers 3)Removing energy stagnations 4) Creation of Dan Tian (Lighting the Fire) 5) Connecting student to Higher Level Vibrations so that they can go home and practice Stillness-Movement and still be attuned to these vibrations. This raises awareness and tunes the student to be able to tap into powerful healing energies for both self-healing and to help others 6) Starts students on the path of Listening, which is the process leading to what I call Walking in the Wu Wei. Beyond that, what is happening on the quantum levels is impossible to put into words as a linear explanation fails every single attempt of expression. Suffice it to say that most students leave with realization of multi-dimensionality. For some this dimensional awareness happens in one workshop. For others it may take several sessions, and for others still it may only require going home and practicing Stillness-Movement for this to occur. Everyone's level of sensitivity to qi differs. Most move with the projected qi during the first workshop. Some take more than one to start moving. It also has to do with how full a cup the student brings; empty works far better and full keeps the student rigid.

One way of finding deep relaxation prior to doing practices of this nature is to simply lie down and use body-mind. Start at the toes. Wiggle them around and tell them to relax. Next feet. Move them around then tell them to relax. Next ankles then calves then knees. Then hips, abdomen, chest. Then fingers, hands, wrist, elbow, biceps. Then neck, cervical and neck muscles. Then mouth teeth, gums. Then ears, forehead, scalp and hair. If you first call attention to them (moving them) then command them to relax they will. This technique is certainly not limited to any particular method but would apply to just about anything. We use it with our Spiral Qigong method. Spiral qigong is a "dissolving" technique which "dissolves" the whole body and layers, and balances out the energy flow through all the centers.

Just half the distance between your eyes and the object.

On a public forum anyone who posts is extremely naive if they don't expect any particular subject to be commented on in any direction. That's what it is, a discussion group. Any particular post will/can be ground up, dissected, commented on by people who have no qualifications or experience, commented and expound upon by those with little experience, and explained and commented on by people with experience. It can and in the case of TTB will go in extreme tangents. I don't see that what is written above has any correlation with a public internet forum. A much simpler approach would be to simply show respect to every single person initially. Isn't that more inline with the way? This approach posted reminds me of massage therapists who learn energy healing then say they have to get specific permission from each client at the time of energy projection in order to do the energy healing aspect. Sure, the energy healing should be listed just as any particular modality that the therapist does. But why in the world would they need to get specific permission from the client to do that modality at the time of qi projection? The client already gave that permission by coming to see the therapist. Of course each therapist needs to explain to the patient/client what they are going to do in a session. What I mean is like, if you are doing say, acupressure, then the need to stop and ask the client, OK is it alright with you that I project qi now? - is not applicable. If this explanation doesn't make sense to anyone I agree; but I have heard it over and over. By simply posting on a forum, a person has given explicit permission for any particular comment, suggestion, or elucidation as long as it complies with forum rules. Otherwise, why post at all if you are worried that someone will "assume a teacher role"? If the person replying simply keeps in mind that every single person they meet online or in-person is worthy of respect, I just don't see how any of the above applies. We tend to over complicate things.

"really good" has no meaning except as perceived by the patient. Efficacy is the key word. In other words, if the patient feels much better after a session, then they will tell others. A lot of practitioners do what is called "pain management". I do not practice or teach that. I practice and teach pain elimination; in some cases this is "significant pain reduction". So if a person walks in and says some thing to the effect that they have been to x number of practitioners that have had little effect on their pain, and you work on then and their pain is gone at the end of the session, then the efficacy is much higher, patient is pleased and you WILL get more people coming to you. I can tell you that all techniques are not equal, so choose what you practice well. Yes, experience does make a difference but the biggest difference is how much efficient qigong have you practiced, and, in terms of bodywork therapy, the technique utilized. Needles of Light In medical qigong we do this type of treatment very similar to how the acupuncturists do regular needle treatment. We actually form needles of concentrated qi and stick them in the energy vortices to open up channels and/or balance a system. The main problem with this technique is twofold 1) it requires that the practitioner has actually raised his/her vibrational frequency in order to really create; this is accomplished by practicing an efficient form of qigong daily and 2) remembering where you put those dang needles so you can take them out. Another form of "qigong style" is to project energy into a point up/down the channel then pull sick qi out. This works really well and is more commonly used than the needles of Light technique.

Everyone has an opinion. Makes for diversity, eh? And of course I am older - the wiser part is something that takes a lifetime. I edited my previous post.

First laugh I have had all night.

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Medical qigong has gained much since the 90's. The NQA (www.nqa.org) now has standards for medical qigong. These standards were hashed out for years among many of the major practitioners in this country. This was a very difficult, long and draqwn out procedure with much thought put into it. I was on the standards committee and it was amazing to try to put all this into one coherent standard. But it happened. Now, folks who are graduates of NQA certified teachers can apply to the NQA for certification. The NQA has Level 4 certified teachers; this standard requires 10 years of teaching experience and publishing of original work. I am among those that have this certification. So any person that graduates form my or any other certified teacher can immediately be qualified for certification. There is a 500 Hr clinical qigong certification and that is what my program is based upon. Now, what does this mean legally? Not much right now. But if medical qigong goes the way of massage therapy, which inside of 10 years made it to most states, at some point there will be legal requirement. Presently, the need to meet those legal requirements to practice fall under the category of touching. If one applies medical qigong off-body and never touches then, as far as I know and to the best of my understanding, one can open a practice in most places. But the second you touch someone then you fall under the category of either 1)massage therapist 2 acupuncturist 3) physical therapist 4) physician (D.O. or MD) 5) chiropractor; then one must satisfy the legal requirements of the particular discipline. So obviously the quickest way into a legal situation of medical qigong and Asian bodywork therapy is to get certified as a massage therapist. Then I think acupuncturists and physical therapy, then chiropractic then MD or DO all in that order of complexity (number of years, difficulty). So, what does all this mean? Depends on what you want. If you want to practice Chinese herbal medicine and stick needles in people then the obvious choice is acupuncture. If you want to open a clinic and utilize advanced bodywork techniques and medical qigong, massage therapy. If you want real credentials as a physician then do that. Be prepared to spend a large number of years, though. I know several physicians that say if they had it to do over again they wouldn't. Because once you get out and you want to do acupuncture, well, then you have to go study that on top of the med school and internship. I personally went the massage therapy route. Studied acupuncture but never became certified as I lost all interest in sticking needles in folks after I learned qigong style "needles of Light". One really good reason to attend a good acupuncture school is to learn the Chinese herbal (actually not all herbs) medicine. If I decided to go this route then I would pick the school with the strongest herbal departments. One problem utilizing this is the same problem western physicians face and that is patient compliance. I don't have to worry about that in my clinic - zap 'em then yell "next"' most are going to do whatever they want to do after they leave. It is ALL about efficacy. You asked about getting patients. Since you all know I am big on stories, and I have probably told this one before, but bear with me as it directly applies to your question.: Several years ago I had a graduate of my program that was asking the same thing. I told her to not worry about it, just open the doors and soon she would have more people than she could deal with. I don't think she really believed me. Later on I received a call from her where she said she had so many people she was booked up for several weeks in advance. In other words, if what you have to offer works really well, then you will have plenty of folks that need your services. I would also recommend fee for service and forget about insurance. To get by doing this you have to be really good as there are plenty of practitioners that take insurance. But they also have to pay the overhead of a dedicated insurance specialist.

Reading what you just wrote, it is OK for you to express an opinion but not for me to. IMO, usually young men are not willing to listen to any advice, such is the way. But to some, the right thing said or done can be a catalyst, which is also the way. And ... I have not held any animosity towards you or anyone else. Good luck with your practice, if you have one. If not, try finding a teacher to help you.

Shame on you for trying to wake people up. Don't you know they like their sleep better? Ha! Just kidding. We will always face this kind of bullshit. I think there was a thread on that website about me where someone asked did they (the kind and knowledgeable folks on the site ) think I could help them (the poster). The answers all said stay away from that stuff and particular that guy (me) because it was rumored I had "visions". Oh no! Pity, I could have helped the guy. Hang in there! The qi brightness in the eyes of our students is worth it.

It is normal. One interesting thing to try is "sorcerers vision", a soft vision techniques. While doing this you will not waste energy from the eyes and your awareness will have slight enhancement. Simply stop focusing on what you see but keep your focus awareness half-way between you and whatever you are watching. Try this and see if there is any difference in the white vapors.

You have an interesting take on it. Thanks for the perspective. A teacher has 2 choices. Sit back and do nothing, or say what he knows. Do not mistake calm confidence and knowledge as ego boosting. Right now I choose to share, in the hopes that one in 10,000 will have a boost their awakening. At another time I may do like another teacher and build a house a mile in front of my actual house yet tell everyone I live in the first house. I have not always been public and at some point I will not be public anymore. In fact, I did hide out some years back for 4 years. It is very easy to confuse confidence and ego. I don't think I have ever posted on here that a person should "throw away the ego". The ego is a part of us just like our right arm. The key is to not be controlled by the ego but let the real you be the controller. I was not trying to offend you or anyone else in any manner. But sit back and watch nonsense (know it because I went though same nonsense) unfold without saying anything I will not. Think about all the newcomers that read threads like this and say "Oh Boy, I want to try that." I personally don't think humanity has the time for such nonsense. I do realize everyone is going to do whatever they want but I remember a certain time in my life where a teacher said something that changed my life even though at the time I said to myself "Such bullshit!" Also, I have never told my students or anyone else to actually believe everything I said simply because I said it. I have ALWAYS said that these things will become self-evident with the practice; believe because YOU know - not because I know. You will do well with your practice - keep it up. You make good points with your posts.