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In daodejing 41 we have 大器晚成 an old version of 晚 is http://www.zdic.net/zd/zi3/ZdicF0ZdicA3Zdic88Zdic87.htm (according to wenlin) it breaks down to bu4 不 + ri4 日 + yue4 月-- i am looking for more informations about this rare character - quotes... who can help?

Maybe interesting for people who can read german: October 2017 a new translation got published: Zhuangzi Herausgeber Viktor Kalinke 896 Seiten

For your information: The Site http://www.alice-dsl.net/taijiren/index.html got deleted completely by taijiren . All links to this website and subpages do not work. For example Guodian-Laozi and Daodejing ...read... as MP3 - files...

In system of Fan Huan Gong - in the first poem describing the first figure it is said: Practicing this figure -- Qi will actualizing Xian Tian - ... 返還功 一氣三清 偈曰 一氣三清透頂門，任期百脈自調勻 周身輾轉舒經洛，炁在先天法自通。

Here you have the picture of an ancient loom for silk: - now you can compare it with Guodian #19 character 1

What you are quoting does not convince me. I have seen this already in other dictionaries. What i am trying to say is this: Transcriptions does not help - because 1 they confuse. 2 they misguide to understand only what the transcriber sees. Why not describing just - how you personal understand the character? If you see a knife - what is for me the frame of the loom - then this is your view. Your quotations does not proof that the frame is a knife.. They show only various forms which have been later on seen as the modern 绝 by some people。 繼 is nearer to the character in Guodian we are speaking about. (sinograph #1 of guodian #19) It has the meaning to continue... but this is not what the guodian text tries to express.

If you think the right angled structure to be a knife - then your transcription would be a little bit nearer. But why using transcriptions at all? I remain at the interpretation I have given above.

The original cf Guodian #19 can be found here: http://www.alice-dsl.net/wulfdieterich/index.htm/Guodian_ddj19.htm The transcription ???絕智棄辯??? correct? The guodian - original has: as first character. Please compare and --- The transcription 绝絶 expresses something completely different. The knife of the right side gives the meaning "cut". -- This knife cannot be found in It is the picture of a loom, which points to the meaning of weaving; tissue, tantra.... --- Just one example how a wrong transcription changes the meaning. ... Could not be here a good start for a better understanding of Laozi ? In using a correct understanding of the original characters... and forgetting wrong transcriptions???

One recognizes Yang and Yin - if one recognizes that two parts of the whole complement each other. --- hidden and graspable things complement; difficulties and everlasting change complement; center and periphery complement; melody and sound complement; what has happened and what will happen complement; back and belly complement; man and wife can complement; --- sky and earth complement Above and below complement. KUN - QIAN KAN - LI ... complement. ___ There is an essential difference in thinking in contrast to bible-thinking: god and devil fight everlasting to destroy each other; good and evil fight everlasting to destroy each other; --- helpful things... the good - root in complementing - not in destroying of something one declares as evil...

My interpretation is interaction between sky - earth or Qi-flow between poles earth - sky vice versa qian - kun kan - li xun-zhen dui - gen centering...

If you take the guodian-character for 莫 you have four 屮 surrounding the sun, which look exactly like the two 丄 of fa3. Could it be - that guodian does not differentiate here? Both characters have an information in common: The plant has as essential feature the growing upwards: given by the vertical stroke in center. - And it has the horizontal stroke pointing to earth. And 丄 has this element as well. It is the influence of the above... of the sun in interaction with below (earth, water) which makes the plant grow. It is the influence of the above (sky, sun)... in interaction with below (earth, water) which mediates the processing of natural laws.

Please have a look at http://www.zdic.net/z/14/kx/4E04.htm

In guodian-laozi one can find different versions for characters that are transcribed in the same way. shang 上 with a second line beneath and without... (#17-s1z2 with - and #41-s1z1 without) xia 下 occurs with a second line above and without... - it seems to me that the writer likes to point to 二 in the meaning of tian (stroke above ) and di (stroke below) . --- why occurs shang twice in the character fa3? don't know - may be because of the two ideas below. - ? to support the idea of polarity..?. --- The "Below" in fa3 is given by the horizontal water. - a flowing water is always down at the earth... --- da4 - a man with stretched arms and straddle-legged points for me to balancement. It is obvious that this man has a better balance. - the meaning "big" derives from this too: a man has enlarged himself by this . --- just thoughts... I think that fa3 in #57 depicts the same - the difference is just as one writes in English one letter in different ways sometimes.

If you enlarge the picture of line 13-16 you can see the parts better: twice the old version of shang 上= above + vertical line crossing horizontal er4 二 : poar two + old version of da 大 = big + shui3 water in horizontal version 水 _____ interaction for balancement between above and below compare the version of fa3 at guodian #57 - vertical line 8

It is interesting to compare the existing transcriptions of guodian-laozi with the original characters. Maybe one decides to stop using any transcriptions for guodian-laozi. You can find a link to the guodian-laozi in original characters at this website: http://www.alice-dsl.net/taijiren/index.html What some people read as king in vertical line 11 / 12 (at this website) - can be understood as a connecting above and below in human.

If somebody is interested in Daozang-source about 魂 hun and 魄 po: http://www.ctcwri.idv.tw/CTCW-CMTS/CMT03%E6%B4%9E%E7%A5%9E%E9%83%A8/CMT0308%E6%96%B9%E6%B3%95%E9%A1%9E/CMT0308ALL/CH030855%E5%A4%AA%E4%B8%8A%E9%99%A4%E4%B8%89%E5%B0%B8%E4%B9%9D%E8%9F%B2%E4%BF%9D%E7%94%9F%E7%B6%93.htm

- thank you (-: -i like this: yi - as spiral - as the very point of nature's budding.... : ziran

How does "creation" and "ziran" work together for you? warm regards w.

If you see it in the way you have elaborated at this link - then you have difficulties tot understand my point probably... --- yi as spiral: Wieger lection 85 gives some hints...

According to ddj 50 - for 9/10 people is that - what you are saying true. But how do you understand the solution of the 1/10 people?

Laozi knows about unity of chaos-order spectrum... nevertheless we find in ddj50: There is one good at preserving life... 蓋聞善攝生者

i think Laozi's interest was the way to order ... The way to disorder - he/she has seen everyday in those times... - instead destroying dualistic opposition he found how nature is able for complementing construction as a living body shows ... as each plant... da dao... you wu xiang sheng

Cosmology is speculation. Speculated Laozi about how world came into existence? I dont think so. I think Laozi observed - and Laozi reported about observations. Laozi observed that there is something which takes disorder to order (ddj25 line 1) Order that is "Being a ONE". - "A Having Identity" The 道 in Guodian-Laozi symbolizes "complementing" by 3 strokes below of head: one to left - one to right - one horizontal. - The sinograph 清 has the translation clear. But it informs about more. The 清 of Guodian-Laozi has "meandering water" at left - "life in balance" at right over speaking polarity... : complementing 以 has in Guodian-Laozi the form of a spiral.... --- and so on...

The translation shen: god is misleading - Somebody with a background of judeo-christian-education understands the term "god" as "Bible-God". - At page 36 of "The Logic of Tao Philosophy" the term shen is elaborated: Shen is DAO - a manifestation in the phenomenal world- ...a holistic and explicit natural order ...it is not identified as a personified god.