Cameron

Yes, Sifu Jenny is great. I would definetly jump at the chance to take her seminar. She is a wonderful human being that I am honored to know. My advice if you study with both Jenny and Max keep there distinct styles seperate. As Jenny says when you study with someone first empty your cup. If you want to fill the cup up again later with something else you can.

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Exactly. I took out the stop reading books part because that might have been advice specific to the student. But that second part I really like. Just one more thing and I would like to bow out. Very soon after I met Master Sunim I found out he thinks highly of Eckhart Tolle. Besides Max the main teachers I have been interested in have been Adyashanti and Eckhart Tolle. I think there was some sentiment expressed here that some how the teachers in the East are better or something that the teachers in the West. So it was refreshing for me that a Korean Zen Master feels Eckhart is doing good work. The way Master Sunim ranks someone is from the bottom up. Not from the top down like we do. So he ranked some teachers for his student here I spoke with in this way. 3. Eckhart Tolle 2. Krishnamurti 1. Buddha I like how the top dog is the lowest instead of the highest. Very Taoist. I also think humilty and compassion are big time traits you see in these teachers. And I have seen nothing but these same traits in Sifu Max. Peace, Cameron

I like that. That you can always go back. Or maybe it really is what is always and already present like the Advaita crowd always says. Even though I had a good look at the truth when I was around 20 the last 14 years or so I havel been lingering around in a kind of shock and awe phase. Taoist stuff is great because it gives you tools to help ground and balance your awareness in your body. But once you see what is I don't think there is any turning back. Atleast for me. As much as I might think I could do something else I still find myself sitting in a pathetic excuse for lotus in fron of a Zen Master in Korea and flying off to Hawaii to study more with Max. I'll stop here with something Zen Master Sunim told the American monk in residence at 6th Patriarch Zen Center in Seoul. Master Sunim pointed at me during lunch and told the monk to tell me the same. "With each thought that arises your Buddha Nature is together with it."

Thank you all for your kind words My last message here that I humbly put forth. imho the purpouse of any authentic spiritual practice is to realize that it's all one. This simple realization of oneness is the amazing reality of what we really are-all of us. If your practice isn't moving in the direction of experiencing oneness more and more. Then perhaps your not doing the right practice or need to evaluate things more. Of course it's all beyond words. Beyond right or wrong. It's the deepest part of our hearts and I know it's in every one of us no matter how screwed up life can seem sometimes. Of course there are alot of interesting lessons and fun to be had in the illusion of seperation. Our minds have done a great job convincing us all that these dramas are real. And of course in a certains ense they are real. But at the end of the day it's still all one. As Adyashanti says I really don't care what anyone does as long as you get the oneness thing. Take good care, Cam

Kimchii Jiggae!! Yes, the food is delicious. Take good care, Cam

I'll be careful! Going to go listen to Master Sunims Dharma talk this morning. He combines Zen with Sundo training so is quite an interesting approach. I have also started doing Brazillian Jiu Jitsu recently here in Seoul. I am really enjoying myself and will probably do the international thing long term. Anyway, just wanted to check in with you all. Signing out again for a good while and will drop in occassionally to see what everyone is up to. Cam

The Women appreciation thread! Let's here it. Some poetry, how women have inspired you in your life. How they have pissed you off. Of course women are all as unique and different as flowers with there own characterics. For example, today I had an interaction with a mega bitch of the highest caliber immedietly followed by talking with a gorgeous, intelligent female who lifts your spirit just being around her and beautiful smile.. ps. Also..what woman have taught you about the Tao so sean doesn't move it it off topic

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Almost at 5000 posts!! Did I mention that I wish everyone the best? Even mgd. ps. mgd is Canadian...just saying.

Lose some weight fatty!! *kidding*

Actually I think I will get it up to 5000 posts and then say peace out for aesthetic reasons

Drama,drama,drama,drama. Gloria..nowhere have I referred to any individual pracitioner as a failure. By failure I could just as easily have meant the failure of the Kunlun system. Have you ever thought about that? No, you didn't. And to add insult to injury your judging me..Cameron is a success? Uh Huh? Honestly, I wish you the best. I really don't know you. We aren't friends. But I still wish you had gotten whatever it was that you needed from the Kunlun teachers. There is no guarantees or insurance policy with enlightenment of course. I wish it worked that way. I wish we could get a 100% guarantee something will work for us. But as we have seen it doesn't work that way. And you could call that a failure of the teacher. You can call it a failure of the student. You decide. I choose not to say as I don't know. To be honest with you I wish I could have had the profound insight to look at you before your 1 seminar you took(yes, I know..you were supposed to get everything you need in life from that 1 seminar and Max and Chris should be put up on a cross for saying so, right?) and say "lady..this isn't for you..go do something else please". But you obviously had karma with this path for some reason. You needed to see Max for some reason. I have seen many people who didn't have your experience. They have all done this practice and have had NO issues. Am I one of them. NO! But I stuck with it and guess what? I am happy I met Max and I am grateful for the way he teaches. He was the wrong teacher for you. That is obvious. If you want to make it your crusade to live this out on Tao Bums by all means do so. But I will maintain this. You are definetly in the MINORITY and not the majority. I am thoroughly convinced of that. As Adyashanti has said..in the direct path to enlightenment there are alot of casualties. My opinion..and it sounds like it may be moving more in that direction..Max should have been doing the one on one private talks with students BEFORE they did the seminar. And used his insight to see if the practice was for them or not. That's not the way he did it. In an ideal, perfect world I think that would have been good though. And I do wish you success and never implied you or Yoda or anyone else was a failure. NEVER. I don't want to keep posting here so please leave me out of future conversations. I really am done with this place and don't enjoy communicating here anymore. Take care, live long and prosper. Cameron

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I feel the need to make one final post to wrap this up for me. I am happy Yoda has found a path he enjoys and is finding success. Of course I only wish good things for my Taoist brother whatever path he chooses to follow. This is my small understanding after going on 2 years with this practice. I want to say this out of concern for any future Yoda's who may practice from the book or not get the feedback after the seminar for some reason. My feeling is everything is in the new book. The first one was definetly lacking but the new one covers what you need to do outside of taking the seminar. The Kunlun practice can be very intense, no if and or but's about it. You have to monitor as a practitioner how much you can take. There are other practices in the book-namely I Jong standing-that are there to be employed when things are going too fast or getting too intense. My advice to anyone who's doing Kunlun and things are getting unbalanced is drop the practice and focus on I Jong and physical excercise for a few months. I Jong is one of the main practices Max teaches at the seminar and it is also considered the foundation of qigong training by some well know qigong teachers. The most important thing is to be balanced and breathing deeply into the lower abdomen. The method is there. Max's style is not to tell you what to do but show you the methods. It's up to you to know for youself if you need to drop Kunlun for awhile and do more I Jong. I would not say to focus on 5 element standing if your unbalanced. The 5 element standing can be just as powerful as Kunlun and creates very intense energy. So focus on I Jong for a few months and build up to 5 elements and Kunlun. It's all about balance. Not seeing strange things and having cool experiences. If they happen they happen but there is no attachment to any of it. And with that I bid farewell great Tao Bums. I will be a man of my word now and permently bow out. May you all live long and prosper. Got to go check out the new Star Treck

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Not sure where you got the vibe I was judging Yoda. That certainly isn't the case. I love Yoda. We have been friends for years. If Yoda wants to call Max Satan incarnate and Kunlun the direct path to hell he is still my friend. Obviously..I don't believe that. I think Max is a Bodhisattva. I don't say you should feel the same. That is just my opinion. I simply wrote another perspective. As Trunk..another friend of mine I have known for about 10 years now..calmly stated he is glad we can be civil about everything. Now this huge accusation on your part. Let it go. You don't want to do Kunlun go do something else like Yoda. It's all good. And guess what else? I can write whatever opinions I have here and as much as I want and there is nothing you can do about it. As much as you seem to want to bitch about things I write. But this is a waste of my time. Has been for quite some time. So I sincerely wish you the best of luck whatever your path. And for the love of God don't gamble your spiritual path by what some idiots on Tao Bums have to say but get out there and find the truth for yourself. As I am sure most people are doing. Cam

Here is s post I wrote on the Kunlun Forum regarding a few things. This will be my final post on Tao Bums. I felt drawn to write something more and realize now this is it. An this post wil complete the circle on Kunlun, Lama Max and my feeling on issues. As a forward I would suggest perhaps trying to be more gentle and less hard on yourselves and others. We are all sharing the path in one way or another after all. Kieth, I know you and Yoda are friends and your looking out for his best interests but I have to disagree with some of your views. I base my assessment of this lineage on my own practice and experience as well as hanging with numerous balanced, well integrated and positive people who do this practice. Yoda was pushing the envelope on the whole other worldly vibe right from the get go. I remember being on the phone with him talking about Kunlun and every single conversation circled back to him asking "Hey Cam are you seeing things yet? Have you started seeing things? Are things appearing to you yet?" NOW..I will say this. Max most likely was not a good teacher for someone like Yoda in the WISDOM department. The correct attitude to practicing Kunlun was not really imparted to me until I trained with Sifu Jenny. As a good general example..Oscar Hsu, an advanced Kunlun teacher and good guy was having a pretty powerful experience. Oscar was thrashing on the floor in front of me and really letting go. My movements tend to be more subtle. Some swaying and shaking but after a year and a half I still haven't fallen off my chair. After the practice Sifu Jenny asked us all what we were feeling. Oscar went into a story about his experience. It was either then or at another time in the class he went into a talk about the "Queen Mother of the West" and how she "adopted Max". At the end of this Sifu just said to Oscar "let it go". This is something very interesting to me because this is EXACTLY what Max and Chris say to do in the book. I mean the book really covers the correct perspective on practice as short and concise as it is. "The most important time is the 20 minutes after the completion of level one. It is here that manifestations start to occur. YOU MUST REMEMBER THESE ARE MERELY SIDE EFFECTS, NOT THE END RESULT, AND TO ATTACH TO THEM WILL ONLY HOLD YOU BACK FROM ATTAINING GREATER LEVELS OF WISDOM" Maybe it was my little backround in Zen. But I only really had one experience that could be termed with "an entity" and to be honest there was nothing about it that could really be said it involved a Naga. Though if I had to guess after all I have heard from Max that would make sense. The entity appeared(I didn't see it so much as sensed it in my room.) I had a sense of there being a playful kind of energy there but still at the time didn't want to be bothered. I basically jumped towards it with a bit of aggression and I had the sense that it quickly left. That was it. One event that I could say I felt somewhat intrusive. But the main thing here is the wisdom teaching being neglected somehow I think. I remember one of the first Zen teachers I sat with saying before she awakened a Dragon Eye kept appearing in front of her. The difference in Kunlun someone might get excited about this as sort of attainment where in Zen this is called "makyo..illusion". In Zen ANYTHING THAT IS NOT AWAKENING IS DISGARDED. Whether it's a beautiful experience or an angel or a Dragon Eye. You Let it go. You let it go. For my part..I did reccommend for Yoda to see Sifu Jenny with me. I was one of the ones that got you guys into this so I felt I had to go all the way with it. Seeing Jenny is something I told Yoda would benifit him. We had a good conversation a week or so after I saw Jenny and he didn't mention any of this to me. Not a word. All of the sudden I go on Tao Bums one day and Yoda is anti Max. It's all good. We are all responsible for the choices we make and learn from them hopefully. At the end of this conversation I guess I would have to agree with you that Max maybe wasn't the right teacher for him. Whatever phenomena is involved in the lineage. As a final note..and Chris or Max please correct me if I am mistaken. I'll be the first to readily admit I don't have a clue. But when awakening/re-enlightenment is experienced all these details about lineage or entities or whatever become largely irrelelevant no? Those who have tasted what that might mean might have more to say. I'll follow what Sifu Jenny and Max said. That the goal of this practice in non duality(immedietly wipes out any concern of scary critters outside of yourself) And that this practicice can lead you to the Golden Dragon Body..the highest state. Which if you go by what is written in the book sounds pretty much the same as non duality. "This art is for those seeking the "direct experience". It allows the merging of the microcosm(the universe within) and the macrocosm(the universe outside oneself.) The union of these two worlds allows the activation of the bliss body and through this bliss body, or dragon body, re-enlightenment is possible to the average person." Cam

Why would anyone feel the need to tear down, question and critisize someone's heartfelt sharing with others would be a more interesting question to me