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I will be in Sedona the sunday before the workshop doing a day retreat with another teacher. So porbably won't go back to Sedona during the week as I have work and school. Will see you all the Friday night I suppose.

One of Max's students..Richard..I think might be in his late 40's or 50's(I could be wrong). Really fun dude..I actually had troble being in the same room with him for long since he had so much energy. Like drinking 10 cups of starbucks coffee but it's your natural state. Also..his students have a very childlike quality that I don't see so much in other systems..or alteast not as much(Except Advaita).

Everytime I try not to post and you guys pull me back in you make me feel like Don Corleone in this final scene of The Godfather. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZOZnJI4lM You know..Sophia Coppola got alot of crap for her acting in this role(where she has a special realationship with her cousin..played by Andy Garcia) However in retrospect..she is fine.

We need to change the name of Taobums. Should now be called the online Taoist Soap Opera "As the Tao Flows". Just my 2 cents.

Get off the fear trip people. Hinti: Take a look at Ancient Egypt..see how they sort of had realtionships with different animals in stuff who were sort of like humanoids? Ok? So jsut chill. It's big fucking Universe get over your puny little selves. Ok thanks.

Let's not go down that path..we know it leads to thigns that webmaster Sean will find innappropriate and scold us for.

I disageree Blast but having different views is fair and balanced!

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Valid points. However..trashing Max is rather disrespectful I think. Hundun knows quite a few of us are gettign quite real results with Max. He could say "Isn't for me..and the presentation could be better". Instead he goes on long diatribes trashing Max. I mean..I had my issues to. I don't think Red Phoenix should be taught at Level 1. Hell, even Smile agrees with me who told me about Max to begin with. But..the endless trashing is a bit much. Todd also. I don't really know Todd. We hung out one weekend last year but we arent that tight so can't really vibe out what he is saying. Seems like he was let down or somehting..not sure I get where he is coming from.

Yeah it's all good .I love Ken. He told me on the phone will probably see you later down the path and I am guessing that is going to be the case. But..yeah..as Chris said Kunlun is so powerful. Just going to give myself this eyar to jsut do Kunlun and some martial arts. I basically would stop talking about this stuff completly now but I feel like I have some little insight into the matter. Like you mention Ken and I just spoke to him on the phone a couple days ago about Kunlun! So it's like..yeah..I have something to say there. But yeah comparing one teacher to another or who is the real amster is such a waste of time. Go with your intuition. I am actually done comparing teachers forever now. Such an endless load of bullshit and the main hobby of online Taoists.

Very interesting quesiton Cat. As you know I was originally planning on doing a 3 day workshop with Ken which I cancelled. Too much coming up from study with Max. I talked to Ken about what was going on. Here is my sense about it. I don't think Ken is on the same level of development as Max however he takes the presentation of his teaching in a much more serious way. Essentially..Ken is interested in his students opening up rather gradually. For example he has a 3 year training program..which I was even considering doing. He takes you in slowly. Like a big, comfortable 747 with plenty of space or something. Max takes you there in a weekend. Max is like the Stealth Bomber of Tao. So..for me..I don't say who is or who isn't the Master. I say..do you want to ride in a 747 that will take you to your destination in 3, 4 years or longer in a comfortable way? Or do you want to take the fast track..which can be a little scary..and get there quick?

Yeah..I dont' know that you need it. But for me..feels like that would be good/balanced. Sort of like..an individual thing...like...man..

I think I see now Max did know what I was going through. And I think he maybe saw who I was sort of "hooked up" with also. Whatever the heck that means My basic feeling. What I have had for awhile but has been sort of corrupted by this "other thing". Basically we need to cultivate as much of a "laid back" approach to all of this we can. Has been my experience speaking with "Taoists" online last..well..howeve rlong it has been..most people do anything but have a laid back approach to all of this. Yoda and Sean O for the most part are the exceptions. Anyways.

I said it to Sean at one of the Adyashanti intensives we went to last year and I will say it again. We are all a bunch of drama queens. It's all good though. As somebody somewhere said "that's what makes the world go 'round". peace

I do combat conditioning and Aikido. My feeling is it is important but probably some purists would say you don't need it.

attacking,not attacking, thinking about attacking, thinking about not attacking. It's all good.

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Again, irresponsible teaching approach for you. I am not going to keep repeating myself over and over.

Unlike you I try not to have views all day long. Soooooo last 10,000 years mode...

I for one am totally fine with Hundun and Todd's negative responses to the workshop. Just maybe have this one little thing to say... Perhaps the transmission wasn't right for you rather than the entire human race. Ok..that's all.

Excellent point Mantis. My feeling..some people have trouble throwing everything out. Incidently..this is the view many Masters say we should have. Can you say stuck?

Plato Rosinke-perhaps the most well known gay man in online Taoist circles- once told me that he thought the moon might be fake. And that it could "turn on" at any moment and subsequently would produce a radical change in human consciousness. After this conversation I proceeded to delete Plato's number from my cell phone and repeatedly assured myself that it was not too late to stop communicating completely with crazy people on line that think the moon is a spaceship, humans are controlled by an alien lizard race, humans are moving into a different dimension by the year 2012, etc. Well, could it be that he was right? Or is this just another reason for me to spend less time on the internet in 2006? Scientists Christopher Knight and Alan Butler of Civilization Zone share their theory that the moon is artificial and that it was deliberately engineered to sustain life on Earth. The moon is precisely designed "like a Swiss Clock," and built to a "mathematical blueprint," said Butler. The material the moon is made out of came from the surface layers of the Earth, likely drawn from there using a series of small black holes that were placed in orbit around the planet, they explained. Butler & Knight presented three possibilities as to who was behind this operation. God could have created the moon. But knowing that the Sun and Earth already existed first, why wouldn't this superior being have created the moon at the same time? Alien beings, highly advanced in technology, could have spotted our planet as a likely place for seeding life, and left their calling card (an obviously artificial moon). Human time travelers created the moon at some stage in the future, realizing that this needed to be done to incubate humanity in the past. They believe that the time traveler explanation is the most valid. Humans would have the highest degree of interest in carrying out such a monumental task, said Butler, and time travel appears to be increasingly a real possibility, added Knight. Related Articles Moon Origins In their new book, Christopher Knight and Alan Butler pose the question Who Built the Moon?, suggesting that it may not be a naturally formed object. Previous theories on the moon's formation have suggested that a chunk of the Earth was pulled out by the sun's gravity, that the moon was a wandering planet caught in our orbit, and that the moon and Earth formed together at the same time. Most recently, the "Big Whack" theory (QuickTime animation) has come into vogue, positing that a roving planetoid smacked into the Earth, and the resulting debris created the moon. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1842931636/ctoc http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tothemoon/origins.html

Yes..from what I have been told..."walking you into Self and Life, Death" is really Max's speciality. Won't say more about that unless Chris thinks it is appropriate.

wooooooooooooooo that was along time ago. Actually, I met Plato like a year after that. Good guy.

Todd, I see you on the thread..what was your experience? Don't make me have to call you..seriously..i am paronoid to use my cell phone now and would probably throw it out if our whole modern society didnt' demand using the damn things!