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Not all skeletons will go there. Try it, but do not sacrifice you health— not only is it not worth any perceived difficulties over benefits you may experience, physical postures have absolutely no bearing on clarifying potential and seeing your nature. But, if you must sit in formal meditation, and you feel you must partake of formal meditation exercises, the full lotus posture is superior and effective.

Objective observation is the prerequisite to right anything. Objectivity is the boon of seeing your nature— this is precisely what is outside the doctrines of sudden illumination. The necessity of formative moralities is laying the framework for development of virtues to acquire wisdom to gain energy to transcend the very reason for being a student in the first place …obliterating self-identity by seeing your nature. Objectivity is the result of selfless knowledge of one's pristine natural nonoriginated aware nature. When you see, you can say. It's not even judging as much as it is describing. Nobody likes to be in a buddha's crosshairs …but who should be so lucky? I don't offer advice, I pronounce directives based on the personality involved. Everybody is not on their own path as the path does not even appear until one sees their nature. How else is it possible to see the intent of the authentic teachings without the perspective of those enlightening beings who compassionately left clues for later illuminates to follow. If one is so disposed to stumble around essentially blind anyway, why bother to bump into other blind people on their path and nod appreciatively? That's called the blind leading the blind. If I was blind, I'd stay the hell away from everybody else who was in the same condition. But this pastime of picking and choosing is absolute nonsense. The matter of life and death is your own mind. What is the point of talking and nodding in agreement? Sudden enlightenment is spontaneous release from words, meaning, teachings and person. Afterwards, talking and defecating, raging and daydreaming are all in perspective of the real and if understanding takes place in a word— it is not in terms of right speech, it is in terms of immediate knowledge. ed note: apostrophe in buddha's crosshairs

I'm goona call him dr NO~ hahahhaha!!❤❤

This kind of right speech commendable, but still within the realm of conventional formative moralities of student buddhism. mr V's deal is fire. In his infrequent monologues touching on compassion, I sense a shortcoming couched in what I call "arrested"— and it's not what you think. He is afraid of it. His sense of compassion is weak. It is not within his lexicon. He is not conversant with buddhas in any sense of the imagination because he has not stepped over eternity yet. If mr V has technique, it is wholly unsuitable and I have never been intoxicated, much less impressed with his repertoire or his method. Actually, I never knew ego-blasting by quote-bombing was what he was trying to do. You mean he is trying to help people? I thought he was only trying to personify ego-intellect by a poorly conjured, Let us clearly hear transcendent wisdom being likened to an enormous mass of fire. As for Chogyam Trungpa, I have a term which is applicable as it is suited to the time and situation, not technique—that is ruthless compassion. Expertise is beyond the creative, which includes destructive transformation based on the potential inherent within the evolving situation itself. It is not what you do, but what you don't do that matters in terms of the body of reality. Unless ruthless compassion is first applied to one's own life in order to see one's own nature first, there is no way to recognize its application in terms of assisting others' awakening. mr V has no such application or experience in his repertoire as he has yet to drop his sickness of attachment to teachings and he has only the vaguest intellectual yet personally advocated imaginings rampantly infused in them in that regard— I loved his "Energy does not exist in the present" pronouncement. If it made sense that only proves his understanding can only be expressed rationally. Reality, suchness-as-is, has no such attributability accessible to thought. Reality is what you see before you with your own eyes. The Dharma-eye enables selfless adaption without karmic ramification, that's all. If your reference to the bodhisattva's ideal is in response to V's thread on that subject, I can only say that mind is one, people become buddhas, and buddhas become people. The term bodhisattva is a certain tradition's teaching device. Learn from it, but try not to set yourself apart from it as a thing— remember, the awakened state is what is you already. Seeing your own essence is planting the seed of buddhahood …gone, gone, beyond gone, gone beyond. Sudden enlightenment does not immediately confer buddhahood. Even the buddha had to sit it out after his realization. I can only imagine V's subsequent difficulty in dropping the sickness of attachment to the absolute in the aftermath of sudden realization should that singular event ever come to pass…❤ ed note: break up last paragraph into two.

Wanting is. Desire is valid. But unawares we do not see that the habit of ignorant desire co-opting real energy from the homeland of nothing whatsoever is actually very subtle in its incipience, as it perpetually sets up anticipatory relationships out out nothing whatsoever, resulting in longing karma. So if you have even the slightest degree of rationally conscious restraint~ immediately you have, sigh… depression karma. It is actually possible to see your desire as DESIRE, and find out what it is.. But it is the ignorant incipience of habit energy that creates karmic residue. That incipient flow is sso subtle. Real desire is divine energy that can be channelled. One must see the habit energy in the moment to stop it, and stop it, and stop it again and again and again. Reality has no cause. Why create cause? "The master does no cutting". I'll tell you this, unless you are ready to watch this world from afar even as you grapple with it intimately, longing will only get you a deferred sentence which you are presently living out in this breath, unawares.

-K- wrote: Then I should have stopped right there. That is all there is to it. The rest is fluff. 24/7, watch self-reflective and impersonal awareness. There is only one mind, sometimes appearing without thinking, sometimes used to manifest illusion. Observing mind with a constant subtle concentration over a long period of time…❤

We have a debate? I don't mind at all that you do not see oneness as the unity of aware nature. The thread is in terms of four types of energy. I brought up the highest. Since when have you ever described your day to day function in the Unborn unbeknownst to anyone? I only describe the application of enlightening activity in terms of inconceivable energy— your aware nature, because there are no words to apply to energy itself. The whole point of realization is in its application, not a theoretical definition of a type of energy that you have no power to describe, much less use. When you see your nature, your sticking point will cease along with your simple question of separation. What separates us is that "i" word. I don't have questions because the knowledge of unity accepts having no cause. Inasmuch as your sense of separation is attributable to the questioning mind, is there any doubt you have not yet penetrated the causeless? Our old debate has never existed in anyone's lifetime. Do keep calm and carry on…❤ ed note: fix run-on sentence in 7th paragraph with a period after "cause"

Oneness is the unity of aware nature. Existence is duality. Suchness is integral in terms of one's function adapting to situations. So, no~ enlightening beings residing in the body of awareness do not try to integrate anything because even though creation has no hold over them, there is nothing outside of them either, therefore they are not separate from layers to integrate. ed note: delete bulk of post

I poof this~仙

hi dasilva~ I only know of the Tibetan buddhist kagyu by the Panhandle. maybe they have an idea?❤

Perhaps more people will see this thread in one of the discussion sections, Jeff!❤ I could start at the top and say that what you refer to as primordial could be described as aware uncreate potential perpetually on the brink of action. This is the medium of self-refinement. This is what pervades creation and seeing Complete Reality does not hide the totality of conditioned and absolute in existential mundane situations. When alchemic treatises speak of "picking out the real", it is this real potential within the polluted that is referred to. As for other kinds of energy, I don't differentiate because I only see Suchness. I'm an ignoramus about all of that other stuff!! haha!!❤ ed note: add everything below first sentence

This is only my experience, mon ami.❤ Relationships are what they are when they are what they are. Sex is nothing outside of chaos. I guess it all comes down to whether or not a person has that kind of energy to express in terms of meeting potential and whether or not it is the time and place for its manifestation beyond any sense of habit energy. Spontaneous response without confusion is the only criteria by enlightening being… otherwise this is karmic coming and going. Even celibacy is karmic. Desire changes into something when one has the heart to take hearts. Sex after enlightenment happens. Enlightening beings still have to hold and release beyond any point of vulnerability and inevitability (this has no connection whatsoever to physical or mental techniques). It may be possible to apply the top line of hexagram 15. Purity is innocent, void of psychological projection. Nonpsychological action is spiritual. Enlightening beings respond. That is all. ed note: coma after "innocent" in last line; add "this has no connection whatsoever to physical or mental techniques" in penultimate paragraph

When concentration and insight are spoken of together in meditation manuals, they are not properly limited to techniques gaining entry to single-mindedness, The breath is used as an expedient device because undisciplined mind needs something at first to rely on— where it is described as using the sickness itself as the medicine. Eventually, the breath should be forgotten in terms of being used as an aid in gaining entry to single minded concentration and insight into aware nature. Meditation is attaining single mindedness; it doesn't have to be deliberate. As such, meditation based on anything is a temporary expedient because aware nature itself is concentration and insight all-at-once without having to be broken down into two things based on observation of breath, thoughts, movement, stillness, etc… But at first we could say meditation is concentration and single-mindedness is insight, because one leads to the other. There are many pairs of terms describing the relationship between concentration and insight. Another pair used in manuals is stopping and seeing. Google "stopping and seeing". They are like one to the other; like respiration itself, alternating endlessly. This is no different than movement and stillness. Movement takes place on the in and out breaths, but it is the stillness that is the alternation between the breaths, so it is not just the alternating direction of the breathing itself …watching this and letting it go …and then letting the letting go too. So the alternations and the relationships constituting the alternations become more and more subtle as practice deepens. Concentration, stopping, stillness; insight, seeing, movement. Because awareness itself is what is unborn, is the primordial itself, we use conditioned awareness (the sickness) to enter the inconceivable (the medicine). Awareness itself is inconceivable, its contents relative. So in this regard, we stop the conditioned aspect to see the absolute. Once we see the absolute, we do not then cling to insight, nor do we cling to the relative. The ultimate is seeing the real from within the conditioned as a natural fact of being aware. Stopping aberrant views results in seeing reality as is, no longer in terms of self and other in everyday ordinary situations.

Don't you dare abandon your boulder!!!❤

Well, I hope pebble sees what HE brought!!❤

Meditation is single-minded awareness. Period. This does NOT imply technique. It is BEING.

Choosing celibacy is not the issue really, but celibacy is the reality. It is a natural evolution beyond deciding. Celibacy is not only in terms of sexual activity. Not speculating in circumstantial contrivances is celibacy. Even so, sexual (or any) activity without desire (much less craving) in response to circumstances is transcendent activity, no different than any other pure action accomplished by enlightening beings. I know nothing of channels and energy distinctions mentioned in the above posts. To me it is just adapting to conditions impersonally unbeknownst to anyone— Complete Reality teachings call it taking over creation and stealing potential inherent in created cycles of yin and yang. Absorbing potential in innocence void of intellectualization is ingesting elixir. This feeds enlightening evolution and is the result of unminding in the face of ordinary situations— which is in fact the working definition of meditation for enlightening beings. There is no distinction of before or after sudden realization; enlightening activity is one. ed note: change "it is in fact" for "celibacy is" in my first sentence; then add the last two paragraphs

Brilliant.❤ Ya, no doubt might look like a scruffy mountain-guide smiling with chocolate-smeared lips, haha!!

Nice answer mr Chi❤

Mind is one. West is moot. No one here is discussing "method", mr Chi. pebble is Chinese. What, pray tell, is the point of belaboring the word meditation from your supposedly "western" perspective? In order to respond to the person sincerely asking the question, one must actually be mindful of the present situation— which happens to be about pebble (and not a word called meditation and its so-called effect on ignoramuses from your specific culturally grounded area on this planet). You do not have the insight to provide relevant assistance that could help pebbles. Meditation does in fact take place during sleep for the precise reasons I describe in my original post. You are projecting in a most literal, myopic way. Please avoid this type of behavior.❤ P.S. It is telling that Chi seems to have failed in actually reading pebble's post (or merely failed to comprehend it), which is unforgivable, given Chi's penchant for an utter reliance on the strictly literal interpretation of anything. ed note: add coma in 2nd sentence and "P.S."; also removed disparaging cliché about United States citizens of which I am one.

hi pebble, When the daily life you lead is living meditation in terms of a constant subtle concentration of unbroken mindfulness, this does not stop when you fall asleep. I don't do quiet meditation practice. I do watch my breathing sometimes before I go to sleep at night-time. Sometimes I wake up and all kinds of different things are happening (or not happening) in my body and/or different non-ordinary states of awareness. If your are mindful throughout the day there is no reason why it should stop when you are sleeping. ed note: one too many "t" and change "during" to "throughout" in the last line

Taoism says… See essence on your own then seek a teacher. I'm so glad you figured out you didn't need to ask anyone permission to go ahead and just do your project, dear.❤

Is she present when she sends them fleeing?!!❤❤

Yes. That is entry-level. It is a completely natural shift having no location or origination. Nothing changes other than perpetually including oneself as "other" in assessing everyday ordinary situations. It is not a calculated intellectual process. it is just the nature of perception itself. "Self" is not separate from objective awareness in terms of situations. This proceeds from before the first thought. Though it is not oneself, it is one's own; Though it is not other, unity is impersonal. The quote is from a section near the end of Understanding Reality, by Chang Po-tuan, translated by Thomas Cleary.

Please have no concern for intellectual understanding. I am only describing the everyday ordinary function I personally carry out according to the time and circumstances as I accept conditions. The quote below says it in a word, a phrase, a line or more…❤ When I originally studied the works of the adepts, I never tried to understand anything, but I didn't care because there was just nothing else I was interested in immersing myself. Anything with the flavor of the ancient mysteries of perception …there was fathomless, aware nature. I couldn't see anything else and I just wanted to go back as far as was possible to know how this is alone, bare, stripped pure. I did not even know that this is what is necessary to do in order to accomplish this. I never knew anyone who had done this and never spoke to anyone about it. I never even thought that doing this was something anyone would want to do. I was just doing it. I never asked a single question …I just went for it for no reason at all. I had no interest whatsoever in any kind of philosophy. I cared nothing for what could possibly have an explanation. Fathomlessness was all I cared for and fathomlessness was what I got. It has no end. Nothing compares to the real.