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oh dear… how very sweet mr P!!❤ I will include this from another post. Even though I know not a stitch of Chinese and only referred to a few translations to ferret out my lines, I was deliberate in the use of the words and mirrored the original with my version. I also came up with phrases for the latter section where Lao Tzu uses "king" to express what is most king-like about people~ it's not what we think. 仙 Because impartial selfless awareness is the locus of consciousness in terms of the intent of the human body, which has no location, therefore Lao Tzu refers to this as "king". Also, it is possible to master chapters in the TTC; similarly so in the I Ching. This chapter in particular describes the abstract of take-over in terms of a Complete Reality taoist alchemic operation~ also expressed in the Yin Convergence. It is not exclusive to the Schools of Complete Reality, northern or southern, much less taoism or buddhism, for that matter— just described directly in its praxis. This is really none other than the middle way, suchness, living the tao in reality, adapting to conditions selflessly; it is just endless transformations whereby enlightening beings transcend the false by way of the real, passing through events spontaneously by the spiritual power of freed potential by virtue of their own ability to see return in ordinary events. This is knowing how to live long, serene and unperturbable. ed note: add everything after responding to Mr P's gracious comment❤

I wasn't hoping to be on your "ignore" list, mon ami.❤ But, you have been awfully quiet since coming in from the School of Nina, don't you think? As an aside, and as an unrelated matter, I will mention that… "knowledge of beginninglessness is seeing nonbeing; selfless nonbeing has no partiality; impersonal awareness has no equal; the unsurpassed is celestial nature": because impartial selfless awareness is the highest order of consciousness in terms of the intent of human being, which is not a person, therefore Lao Tzu refers to this as "king".

When the Sage speaks of Return, it is not that the ten thousand things and creation itself is outside of your own existence. You yourself are comprised of billions of living organisms right now. This is not philosophy— it's you. Can you be still? So when you personally witness the extreme of stillness, you can then know Return. The result of the extreme of stillness is Return, symbolized by the 24th hexagram: one yang line under five yin lines. Return is the first emergence of pure yang from within the extreme of stillness. This is not a matter of activity, but of experiential knowledge of the stirring of the Real. The symbols of the I Ching are too ancient to know in terms of scholastic generalities. The knowledge imbedded in the symbols are older than Chinese culture. Even thought the current order of the Hexegrams attributed to Fu Hsi, 3000 BC; were arranged by King Wen and the lines elucidated by his son, Duke of the Chou Dynasty, 1100 BC; and various early commentaries attributed to the humanist, educator and philosopher Confucious, 5th~6th centuries BC, the source of this ancient sourcebook clearly has survived by virtue of its utilitarian cloak as a book of prognostication. Wizards take the 24th hexagram's commentary expressed by Confucious as evidence of the knowledge imbedded in the ancient symbols and signs predating Fu Hsi's creation of the doubling of the trigrams and their arrangement by King Wen. It reads: THUNDER IS IN THE EARTH; RETURN. THUS DID THE KINGS OF YORE SHUT THE GATES ON THE WINTER SOLSTICE; CARAVANS DID NOT TRAVEL, THE RULER DID NOT INSPECT THE REGIONS. Was this included in the I Ching and Mentioned by Lao Tzu, just in case some absent-minded emperor might forget what to do on the winter solstice? More philosophical drivel accidentally made it into a spiritual classic? Get a grip ye literalists and recreationalists. Not using discriminatory consciousness (inspect the regions); stilling arbitrary opportunistic activities (caravans); shutting sensual perception and employing impersonal awareness in the extreme of stillness (the king shutting the gates on the winter solstice); the limit of the limitless spontaneously reverts to Celestial movement (thunder is in the earth, return). This is no different that my version of the 16th chapter in the above post. I am not making this stuff up. There is just no excuse to habitually ponder the meanings of words of the TTC in in terms of philosophy other than pure laziness. In order to recognize the wellspring of this first emergence of pure yang within oneself, one must be able to find emptiness in the extreme of stillness in one's own mind. "But for the return not to be difficult, it is necessary to know clearly where the source of the river is, movement coming from the extreme of stillness. Lao Tzu said, 'Effect emptiness to the extreme, guard stillness carefully; as myriad things act in concert, I thereby watch the return.' The I Ching says, 'Repeating the path, coming back in seven days.' Both of these point to this river source where the mind of Tao and its real knowledge arise." (From Chang Po-tuan's Understanding Reality, written in 1000AD) Hmmmmm, doesn't sound like a whole lotta belief going on around here, does there? Where does the literalist translation/philosophy crowd get its arbitrary ideas to idly pass the time entertaining and clinging to personalistic beliefs and dead interpretations? The Classics are the result of enlightening activity by enlightening beings. You'd think that was the secret of enlightenment itself, but it's not. The classics have been left behind to guide those with the will to enlightenment, not recreationalists smugly abusing the work of ages as a mere pastime, suggesting that Lao Tzu's immortal classic is at core, a philosophical work. To be sure, the 16th chapter has at its core, a profound depth of transcendent awareness, and even a simple elucidation of the Celestial design in ordinary terms. It is just that worldlings cannot recognize what is not less in ignoramuses and not more in buddhas. That is, recognizing the real in the midst of the false with the knowledge that if not for the false, there would be no real to recognize. Few people know the I Ching is a glossary of types of time and that recognizing the real in the midst of the false is a matter of times. Movement and stillness is the alternation of changes. One yin and one yang is Change. This is why enlightening beings watch Return. Endless transformations take place therein. The alternations of yin and yang are irrefutable. Nothing can exist that does not follow the inexorable alternations of its breath. Yogis watch their breath; wizards watch the rhythm of Creation to observe Return in order to transcend Change; thereby to live long, serene and unperturbable. Only enlightening beings who witness the unchanging can transcend the cycles of Created changes while in the midst of ordinary situations unbeknownst to anyone. The movement from the extreme of stillness is precisely when the great medicine appears. This movement is the movement of mind itself from within the extreme of one's own empty stillness. This is not meditation practice. This is the awareness of enlightened mind, no different than your own everyday mind— but you must first see this mind in order to bring it to consciousness. It is not a matter of arbitrarily stilling the mind and body's movement, but rather observing the rhythm of one's own activity and stillness with subtle concentration over a long period of time. Subtle concentration is the extreme inner stillness of nonpsychological observation. This is the meaning of "refine the self and await the time". The time refers to the spontaneous arising of the Celestial from the extreme of stillness: Return. One rests securely in this. Being insecure means producing feelings in regard to objects. Resting is truly knowing where real knowledge arises. "THE PRECIOUS WORDS OF THE YIN CONVERGENCE EXCEED THREE HUNDRED, THE SPIRITUAL WORDS OF THE POWER OF TAO ARE FULLY FIVE THOUSAND. THE SUPERIOR IMMORTALS OF PAST AND PRESENT HAVE ALL ARRIVED AT THE TRUE EXPLANATION HEREIN." It said spiritual, not philosophical. It said explanation, not meaning. Literalist translators and dabblers in recreational philosophy ought to take particular note here. Since the classic on the Yin Convergence is mentioned in the same breath as the Power of Tao, I ask you: how many of you have even heard of the Yin Convergence Classic, much less studied it with the will to enlightenment? "From ancient times to the present, the adepts have all investigated the true principles in these two classics and arrived at the real explanation, whereby they have comprehended essence and life." ed note: two typos in the fourth paragraph, quotes from Chang Po-tuan's Understanding Reality translated by Thomas Cleary. University of Hawaii Press, 1987.

Marblehead said: Mighty convenient systemic problem, my dear. So let me tells ya how to fix yer problem… first ya drills a little hole innit and ya sneaks in from behind~ an ya lets out all the smoke❤ Ya gotta go to the source yerself— none of that chicken-scratch or personalistic belief crap. Watch and learn, sweety. Chapter 16, by yours truly… Emptiness is the limit of the limitless The Center has never moved As things act up Witness Return As Creation returns See Return rooted in stillness Stillness is the ultimate of survival Survival is living long Knowledge of long life is wise Suffering Causelessness is ignorant Knowledge of beginninglessness is seeing nonbeing Selfless Nonbeing has no partiality Impersonal awareness has no equal The unsurpassed is Celestial Nature Celestial means the Way The Way living long Serene and unperturbable If ya don't believe me, find out for yourself, no different than the wizards who found out and continue to do what is necessary to keep the authentic knowledge alive. They don't content themselves with belief, rehashing it ad-nausium. They look back on the words as a talisman to give unsurpassed experience of the Real a voice for the ageless pivot of awareness that has never tasted Change. Do you believe the authentic teachings are based on belief? Why are you so satisfied with your belief, hmmmm? You're not dead yet. Why don't you find out for yourself, mr bikinis and shorts skirts!! hahaha!!❤ ed note: Add everything but the quote and attributed it to Marblehead

sinansencer said: I feel your own exploration in your own style is determining what is most effective for you~ I'll mention a bit of the technique of the shamans of Mexico as an aside …but I wouldn't dream of making comparisons with the living awareness you are activating❤ In recollecting physical details and the environment, the one(s) with whom there was interaction, and the feelings present, the breath is used to eject residual foreign energy from the event being recapitulated and also to pull back energy that was left behind during the original event. Shamans used recapitulation as a ploy to induce a minute but steady displacement of the assemblage point (something it seems you are accomplishing). Under the impact of reviewing past actions and feelings, the assemblage point goes back and forth between its present site and the site it occupied when the event being recapitulated took place. Sorcerers believe the source of emanations (referred to as the Eagle) can be satisfied with facsimiles of our own life experience: hence the recapitulation. The dissolving force of the source of all awareness gets what it wants: our life's experience, and wizards get what they want: freedom to expand their capacity to perceive and reach and fly on the wings of intent. What you are doing may serve this purpose well~ it doesn't need to be for any reason other than perhaps it is time to effect the recollecting. It seems I accomplish similar effects during certain kinds of spontaneous meditative states where everyone I conjure in detail, in turns, dissolves or melts or opens into empty activated potential … in order to clarify presence and open it to incipient movements of potential. It can be some sort of preliminary lead-up to other states or sometimes not. I don't know if what you or I do in these recollecting states produces identical effects as the recapitulation practice of the shamans of ancient Mexico, as there doesn't seem to be a strategic motive in conjuring these freeing experiences, but the similarities are worth mentioning. 仙 ed note: fix typo and add the ending to the last sentence

This may be analogous to a technique taught by Don Juan Matus and described by the shamans of Mexico as recapitulating, which is activating "one of the most remarkable items we all have, as warriors, to focus our attention with unwavering force on events lived." His method involved rhythmic breathing while gently moving the head from side to side while recapitulating any event desired, called "fanning the event". How wonderful to do this as a dancer, sinansencer! Evidently there are lovely side-effects too~ ❤

I meant to be sassy, but not necessaarily disrespectful…❤ Though literalism is a point of departure, if one does not develop its application in terms of emphasis, sterile dead words are the result, non? Words on there own terms may qualify as definitions, but meaning is created by the user— and what is communicable is the image. If one must live by definition dependent on the word; how could that be true? I don't see it. Anyone inconsiderate of the life of Antonin Artaud, the French surrealist writer and playwright, would do well to find out how it is to rely completely on the word to the extreme of madness. This is the very definition of paucity in terms of the Real. Literal dependancies are discussed in various volumes of the taoist canon with similar results— which is why I brought it up. When I see the TTC, the words of alchemic processes and fundamental wizardry leap out at me. It's not because I seek romance or mystical variance in the text, but because the teachings themselves are a talisman of my or anyone's understanding of the mysteries of life in terms of profound investments, challenges and achievements throwing back the viels of convention and the tyranny of our very own personal "wizards" of Oz. If one is to be free, one must discover complete freedom, and define one's life on its terms. Otherwise, your freedom is an intellectual concept. The subject of Chuantzu is just this very freedom. There are those on this forum who criticize my "poetic license"— the very vehicle Chuangtzu employs with incontrovertible precision. So it is the withering freedom to use words with commanding alacrity of application that enables one to slice, not the repository of definitions in the brittle ledgers of convention. I no longer contribute to Marblehead's venues because to venture outside of the moribund "philosophical" language-bound approach approbated by a sterile convention arbitrarily attached to these ancient teachings is neither appreciated nor considered tractable by him. Though initially supportive in spirit, an inability to venture beyond the most hackneyed intellectual terms made further communications between us untenable. As far as ChiDragon's tenurial posture on this forum, I rather believe I'm on his "ignore" list— and I don't blame him one bit. heehee!!❤ I failed to state the cultural and shamanic influences the vast region to China's traditional northern boundaries not because of their insignificance, but because of time immemorial and beyond being the source of geo-political rivalry, outright domination and as the perennial savage territorial scourge of proto-Chinese agricultural society into well-documented dynastic histories— no ancient regional document could ever condone much less acknowledge as even benign, the relentless influence the North has brought to bear on the Asian river and delta civilizations coming into contact three, four, up to eight thousand years in the past. That's old.❤ ed note: add [my "or" anyones] in the fourth paragraph

This might be interpreted as the collective consciousness of bits. Data interconnectivity may fracture traditional notions of identity, but emptiness is not a matter of nonexistence. One must necessarily be a buddha to know the absence of nonexistence, which is not nonexistence nor its negation. Information however fractured or interconnectivity however distributed isn't changed by technological concordance. The absolute has never existed; unmanifest, this alone is the Real. Our essential nature, awareness itself, what you are using to read these words is itself unborn, never ever having entered the sphere of creation— this alone is presence. This knowledge is immediate. When you know without a thought, it is just this unborn reality. The view of impersonal being is that we are all phantoms. Getting a glimpse of this is one thing, but actually conducting yourself accordingly in ordinary events is quite another. Two concepts described by Don Juan Matus were having to believe and controlled folly. Enlightening being is not believing in anything inasmuch as creation is utter illusion. Delusion is taking awareness and using it to create illusion as biased interpretation of circumstantial criteria, assembling these elements according to selfishly inclined habit awareness and acting according to self-serving principles as a matter of course from moment to moment and calling that "real". One's lifelong unbroken stream of selfish unconscious awareness is called pure folly— ordinary conditioned existence. In order to function effectively in situations, those with unbending intent, far-reaching discipline and deep insight have to believe as a matter of their controlled folly. Acting deliberately in ordinary and extraordinary events without believing in conventional reciprocity factors manifests the criteria of controlled folly. This is the nature of selflessness. Operating in the realm of Causelessness, a man of knowledge, a warrior, a buddha, a complete human being— is not a Mother Teresa re-acting on behalf of others. One acts spontaneously according to the momentum of the situation without experiencing the mass or gravity of the situation in personal terms. This is a transcendental of lightness of being. This is why enlightening beings don't do others favors, and they don't do themselves favors either. Endless transformations in everyday ordinary situations is the path of selfless adaption by sublimating oneself physically, mentally and spiritually as a matter of course. Penetrating the subtleties and entering the tao in reality without bias or inclination from moment to moment in an unbroken stream is called attaining the Virtue of the Receptive. This is not a matter of information services, but the manifested unity of the heart's desire— the impersonal intent of the heart of heaven; the Center. The cartoon above is the picture-perfect reality of the disfunctional ego-conscious state of total separation from the unity of Self; the totality of potential, consciousness and being. When one arrives at the ground of mind and tastes the quality of one's pristine aware nature, the fundamental relationship of conditioned ego-consciousness to its true and essential psychic function has already manifest a fundamental reversal in terms of orientation and effectiveness. One hereby loses the baggage of self and the requirements of selfishness that result in a quantum reassessment of what it means to be free. Though one consciously lives in the world as a phantom amongst phantoms, this does not requite one's heart …au contraire, this is the heartlessness of seamless acquiescence without artificial boundaries, and the autonomous freedom to act or not, outside of convention.

How about you?

That's a fact.❤

Um, what's that got to do with the topic, hmmmm? The topic is words, the wearing out thereof, et al— not communicating sentiment with a loved-one. This is another reason why discussion (spiritual language) gets derailed and diluted on this forum and recreational chat-rooms. It's the way of the world …I just wanted to make an example of the post, GP, (and make the point) that's all!!❤

Listen: the pristine awareness of the creativity of the universe Is nonjudgemental and free from all discursiveness. Serene and insubstantial, like the sky, We call it unborn. Without stirring from the unity of self-refreshing pristine awareness, The details of experience are clearly differentiated without being contrived. Whoever fully comprehends and actually experiences this Is called a child of the majestic creativity. Moreover, there is no goal other than the realization of natural freedom, effortless, faultless, and without defects, the unique fact of awareness, self-radiant and free from discursiveness. Listen: because I am spontaneously, effortlessly complete I make sure that you, realizing accordingly, Will thoroughly comprehend all events and meanings as I do. Breathe a sigh of relief in this primordially effortless state. I, universal creativity, guarantee this. And, Listen: because the nature of mind is spontaneously perfect, I do not teach perfection or non-perfection. Do not divide pleasure and anxiety into two. Be free from hope for nirvana and from fear of samsara. The perspective of the eight causally oriented approaches involves cause and effect; thus, unconditioned reality is relegated to the background. They claim that the buddha is other than the present awareness. This is like saying that by purifying and transforming the sky there will be another clear sky that is other than this present sky. But in our way of looking at it, by saying that this present mind is the buddha itself, and by attending to its intrinsic clarity, incidental conceptualizations are clarified in the dimension of mind-as-is, just as we clear up muddy water. Therefore this is the path of natural, spontaneous perfection, the primordial yoga in which the three dimensions of being are arise on their own. Longchenpa, 1308~1363 Excerpt from You are the eyes of the world copyright and translation by Merrill Peterson and Kennard Lipman, 2000. Snow Lion Publications

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Ready? ooh noooooo!! ahhahahhahahhahahhahhaaa!!!❤❤❤ mr Marblesez sez: Actually Vous has it backwards, mon ami… it has a sugar-coated philosophical layer that was imbedded deliberately. This allowed the Classic to survive the socio-political purges. The two sections discuss the Power and the Virtue. We can have our affair with Power; though it is inconceivable, it can be imitated. By recognizing the Way and following it, it is possible to align with it. In harmonizing with the Celestial design, Power naturally coalesces. This is how we enter the endless mysteries. It is not a matter of doing. The Way does nothing, the sage does nothing. Heard that before, hmmmmmm? What is knowable are the sciences attributed to the Virtue of the Way. The Virtue of the Receptive is the highest function of immediate acquiescence practiced by enlightening beings (such things cannot be mentioned in the presence of innocent dabblers of saccharine philosophy and social science— or conventionally educated culturally-myopic Chinese). Shamanic traditions out of the Celestial Court's mystical homeland in the Kunlun Range (gateway to the ancient steppe cultures) is only a single aspect of the living mysteries the empty vessel called taoism that literalists, rationalists, methodologists and recreational philosophers cannot accept. It is ssooo old. ed note: add the last three paragraphs

My experience in this arena is so alien. I had no one to tell. Not before, nor during— nor for fifteen years after, or about 2007. From the start, it was always a matter of recognizing what was really happening on the interior, nonpsychological level and guessing how the dharma-vocabulary applied in each case. Talking is very wasteful and depleting in terms of autonomous energy …it is generally a contentious process no matter how subtle or congenial~ at the very least it can be termed comparatively conciliatory; not a bad thing, but in my experience never once contributing to independent concentration and insight. The problem, really— or the issue at the heart of talk is that is of absolutely no consequence— it's cheap. Most of it is discontinuous streams of mutually projected lies for the purpose of idly entertaining chatter. Real talk is a matter of disclosure, espionage, as it were, in order to flush out facts— interrogatory and pointed, no matter how subtle and soft the trap. Anything else is bullshit~ probably to the tune of 95% of what goes on around here. Sinfest just posted his 3.269th post …left absolutely nothing for his trouble❤

This came up recently in a thread started by someone wondering about prior and later heaven. These terms refer to the diverging point of return as well as the point of bifurcation of the two things in the aftermath of creation. It could also refer to the psychological and nonspychological realms— it really doesn't matter. Actually (and this is really why I have decided to address this issue) because of Chi Dragon's literalist treatment of the characters, he came to the the perplexing (his) conclusion that there shouldn't have to be a differentiation between earlier and latter heavens. In my initial response to that thread, I stated that there really is no difference between the two heavens in reality right now. But since I don't have to work with the symbols, characters, words, images or meanings myself— I might as well be from another planet when I use plain english to state the obvious (to me). So even though the literalist's words themselves point to the truth of the meaning inherent in the selfless intent of the real, it is inconceivable that there are two heavens. That would be due to the fact that IT IS INCONCEIVABLE. Plain as day the open secret blazes through your skull lifetime after lifetime and you don't see it even when you mouth the words with your own lips. If you know but cannot act on it— this is the same as not knowing. In Chi Dragon's case, this is something that happens even if a preeminent intellect (no one I know) can grasp the inconceivable as an intellectual concept with clarity in order to understand it. In Chi's case, he can't understand it. Only a buddha can understand not-understanding. But the fact is, as a matter of quantum physics, there is no understanding inconceivability without changing it unless one's experience includes nonoriginated nonbeing— in other words, unless you are the same as the transcendental enlightened quality itself. Though nothing is gained by complete thoroughgoing enlightenment, in its wake, the evolutionary efflorescence of freed potential becomes a game-changer. That's why I refer to it as the End Game. It's not a matter of figuring it out— it's a matter of seeing it as it is. There is no amount of mental gymnastics that will enable arrival and entry into the inconceivable. The Changeless is itself the Causeless, and to make matters even more juicy, there is that which lies beyond the tao. My schtick avec Le Chi predates our involvements with this forum. I have always encouraged his contributions to the Translation Section, but outside that distinct application of his talents …I'm not so encouraging~ simply because of his white-knuckled penchant for clinging to the word. Heaven has long been a code-word for the psychological. But heaven is also the creative. The bum who started the thread about the difference between the two heavens also mentioned the process of training the later-heaven, which he stated was a yin process. This is correct. Alchemy is none other than the process of neutralizing the power of conscious psychological awareness with the power of nonpsychological awareness; then getting rid of that too in order to enter the tao in reality. Clinging to either one is delusion and has no advantage in spite of any imagined distinction. The Classic On Yin Convergence states, "People know the spirit as psychological, they do not know why the nonpsychological is spiritual." The Classic On Yin Convergence is probably the most ancient taoist document in extant. It opens with the line "Observe the way of Heaven, practice the action of Heaven. That is all." I say "See Heaven in yourself, practice it in ordinary affairs". Those with the will to enlightenment should search widely, penetrate deeply and question earnestly, seeking those imbued with the knowledge of Heaven. ed note:add "— in other words, unless you are the same as the transcendental enlightened quality itself.", in the ninth paragraph; add penultimate word… haha!

ooooooh! 3,269 posts in 400 days!! What virilitie et stamina~ muss has zat mans!!❤❤❤ Get a fuckin life. ed note… add "Get a fuckin life."

It's not words. When you are of the mind to cease your imaginative reasoning, you may eventually discover that intuition is such by virtue of transcending reason. So sit there and know yourself until you cease on your own independently and don't thank me in advance of your special brand of intuitive reasoning. Knowledge is immediate. It doesn't employ anything— nor do you. The knowledge that creation is not real proper to enlightening being entering the tao in reality is inconceivable. A shenren would do well to crown your embarrassment with nothing whatsoever since it is precisely that which is transfered to you without words. BTW, I own the words because no mind has the advantage of impersonal awareness. And who are you to assume you have the presence be taught anyway? There is nothing for you to do other than shed your own self-reflective habitual mental habits, forget your identity and enjoy the view. Shenren, indeed. Or did you imagine enlightenment consists of understanding to be conferred, hmmmmmm? NOTHING IS GAINED BY THOROUGHGOING ENLIGHTENMENT.

ahhahahahhahahhahahaaa!!❤ and skiing training too!!

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Please! This is an important opportunity for dc. He shouldn't made to feel this situation can be discounted in terms of convention. It is his life, there is no reason anyone should discount their feelings— he feels trapped and I say he might find a way to use the situation to evolve on some level. Sexual/emotional issues are the fuel of transformation. At the very least, it is a perfect situation to apply discipline in detaching from externals, for the hell of it. I just saw your response, dc~ so I've added a bit. Well why on Earth would you bother with weak feelings?!! Overwhelming anything is a gift from the universe. Step up to this, dear …don't cheat yourself— use the situation to clear yourself. Then clear yourself again, and again and again, bit by bit. Only try to detach incrementally without denying anything the situation triggers. Remember, it's just you.❤

Chi said: This coming from a literalist who has no idea what constitutes the reality referenced by the word in a context completely alien to the good translator of the meaning of words. DAMN RIGHT IT MAKES NO SENSE TO YOU. Since he has yet to realize that Reality has no meaning. Then what might we do with those true words of yours, hmmmmm, dear? I wish it were that I could not apply them, yet it seems all to often that it is you who cannot apply them. Pity.

I didn't mean ignore her, that would be a lie; by unavailable I mean self-possessed. It's not that it doesn't matter what she feels or thinks~ I assure you, she knows her limits. It's juuuust you, dc …and you should know that it does not and never has mattered what you feel and think. It's ok that it does matter to you, though, if that is working for you. If it is not working, and this is the way of self-refinement to detach from emotional clinging~ let your feelings be, but work towards not identifying with them. Then you will be able to use your suffering as a tool— as a gauge, as a means of solace and support. Just realize that it is only you. If you can distance yourself from your personal involvements with your own sexually-charged emotional issues, you can give yourself a little space to just be. Just that much is a good thing, no? You want freedom don't you? Some people really don't even though they think or feel they do. You can't have it both ways~ grow up just enough to give yourself some peace and freedom …the fact that the situation is a source of irritation is serving to spur your evolution if you want to. Meet this challenge— but don't you dare grow up any more than you have to!! €];·))

hi dc9, you're cute …I suggest you learn to be friendly to her for no reason at all. But if you just can't go there, and perhaps she doesn't want you to… yet, do you care what she feels? We like to play with things …like a cat does. You have developed an obsession; sex has never made sense— it's not supposed to. For some reason you made yourself available and I would suggest you make yourself unavailable before she is finished playing with you …or you will be stuck with the bill. Good luck, mon ami❤

The unborn living awareness has never dropped into the creative; terms are relative. 1. What is being discussed by me are the realities, not the terms. If Jay wants to use the terms, I can adapt the living reality to them because I know what they refer to. 2. This is not "energy work" in any sense of the term or the reality. 3. Because entry into the way of inconceivability is unique for each individual's potential, using terms of any tradition, discipline or practice, whether it be literal, alchemic, or energetic doesn't matter. This fact is not transferable to actual practice, just the reality. In other words, energy work is attributable— in order to align with the unattributable, one must work with the unattributable. ed note: fix quote and add item #3