Buddy

"SJ and I and another taoing woman share admin tasks at another forum. If that's your idea of what a concubine is, I wonder about your own sex life" A "taoing woman" Perhaps you could elucidate exactly what that might be... And you wonder about my sex life? What a odd and prurient thing for someone who's admitted to having an "enlightenment" experience. "... unsure.gif Maybe someone forgot to explain to you about birds and bees... Or maybe you're not equipped to have a concubine any other way but virtually... so please don't project this sad situation on either SJ or me." See it's this sort of defensive passive aggressiveness that makes me question your alleged "enlightenment" experience. Frankly I think you're all self-delusioned and full of shit. "SJ is his own person and argues his own case as he sees fit. I am most certainly not my brother's keeper, but I am quite pleased with having a free-thinking brother who picks his fights wherever he chooses to and conducts them however he deems necessary " I'd have to lump him in with you. "All sound and fury signifying nothing." -- I'm no control freak, unlike what I think you are trying to be here." Control freak? I can only snicker. "I have zero need to try to turn him, or anyone else for that matter, into a clone of me. If you have a problem with that... man you're boring." No, I agree. Why would anyone want to be a self aggrandizing phony?

"Buddy has opted to change the topic to Enlightenment vs. Self-Realization vs. Awakened. Fair enough." No, they are all the same. "I agree it's all semantics - that's the nature of words." There you go. "I have no idea whether or not Buddha was awakened, Ramana Maharishi was awakened, Ramakrishna Swami was awakened, or Buddy is awakened." Of the four, only the first three.

Yiguandao

I think it's semantics. Buddha was awakened. Ramana Maharishi was awakened. Ramakrishna Swami was awakened. To what? To me, a few of the popular eastern -isms contain the same thread of waking to reality. And that reality is that what we perceive as reality is a projection of a false sense of personal ego. We are invested in who we think we've become in this apparent material manifestation. This manifestation is a brief covering of our true and original nature.

"I have a pretty good idea precisely what kinds of practices is most likely to have a high enlightenment ratio. They exist in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism, but they are quite rare, and it's the path of the sorcerer that I am referring to. Don't worry, I know I'm prejudiced and I like myself anyway." You have a pretty good idea? What from books? Which guru, rinpoche, or pandit did you study with? I cannot but say you highly amuse by your alleged claims of "enlightenment." The same for your concubine. Only on the internet can someone make such boldface nonsensical claims.

"In the Tai Chi classics it talks about how, if you have a lot of chi that it feels like you have ants crawling all over your body. Something to look forward to?" Where does it say this? Who's translation are you using? BTW the first posture of the static palms in baguazhang is about rooting.No need for any esoteric explanation. Baguazhang is a martial art that, like any endeavor can be used for self cultivation. But it is by knows means it's purpose.

This is just for grins. Where are the lost positives? People say inept but never, "He's very ept." Or, That table is ert. "He's just a vert when he's whelmed." Others?

Now that was funny. But not the tithesis of my subject

Thanks.

"What I've got is some experience I could relate, my path having been a very fast path due to being with a very powerful master. Scarey recklessly fast, some would say, with the highest rate of enlightenment, some would say." Other than your cohort, who else would say?

Why ask why?

I'm turning over a new leaf, dog!

As most have doubtless observed, I'm more in the Vedantist/Buddhist camp if Stevejumper is claiming to have the TRUTH with the ism he's calling Taoism (isn't it daosim?). My training doesn't make that differentiation. Kumar was comfortable studying with gurus and rinpoches. That said, I'm not going to come back with so much piss and vinegar. It's like trying to teach a pig to dance. So I will still have my views and will readily express them. I will just try to do so with somewhat more decorum. No Tom Joad but my own. As far as Stevejumper and his ilk go...I think the complete ego absorption is obvious. As someone who is intimate with it, I feel comfortable with saying so. But I also know that I don't know it all yet. And I'm cool with that. Other than those folks, I won't say if because clearly I have offended some of you and for that I apologize. Stevejumper wrote: "I think this is a thread that can go over 500 pages, the thread that lasts forever. Long after we're gone the "Ah, it's the same old..." will still be going strong, with it's perfect name and having been started by the poster with the friendly sounding name of Buddy; keeping friendly Buddy's name fresh in the minds of generations of posters." Ah....immortality.

http://rapidshare.com/files/90265054/Zhan_...n_Qigong104.pdf http://mysite.verizon.net/reswv21m/jplauyi...search/id3.html

Really Steve, I have a couple of friends who found his stuff endless nonsense and decided to study with the lowly likes of me instead. I know people who saw Mr. Kwan's passport. He's sometimes in the western part of my state. Please, Steve, Mr. Wizard, show me how I know little. You've already shown yourself as an insulter (how was the time out?), please show yourself as wizard. Just leave me out of your inane tirade. You have nothing,

These are the questions I am asking myself. Maybe they are too hard. These questions are like a thorn in the heel.

Who's asking? It's interesting that you take offense. Who is it that is taking offense? Is it the you that you have come to see yourself as? Is that you? Is that who you were ten years ago? In thirty years will you take offense? Who's asking?

Ah, the next one in line. This guy thinks that Kwan Saihung is real. OMG please don't be spiritual tourists. You guys are already for the next guru de jour.

"Yes, Sifu Kwan was my first real Taoist teacher. I guess he is famous from his books. He was a serious teacher, and trained us very hard." Wait. Kwan Saihung? Please, Kwan is a bullshit artist.

Do you suppose that "something" could be measured?

"Evil fire"? Get behind me, Satan.

Ah, Mal You're going to have to be a little more specific. Who are you? And who is asking who? Are you "Mal"? Who were you before you were named and considered Mal? Who were you before that?

"a la Chia pet methods," Chia pet? You still have to insult Steve? What do you know beyond what you've been gossiped to? "With this method it is possible to learn much more about what the energy is doing and learning what the exercises do - as well as continuously making our hands into stronger energy tools. This method also addresses many more energy flows in the body than are done with mind/visualization practices and it is safer." Well, this is a lot of talking. Care to provide some evidence? "This works the same way with chi. We can give our sick energy to trees with our hands and we can take in refined energy from trees . " How? It's easy to state this. But what evidence do have to show? I should just believe because you (or your "teachers") say it's so? "Yes, but first answer me these questions: Do you feel chi in your body at times? Do you feel chi in your hands if you meditate with a holding the ball hand position?" Do you mean the fact that the mind focusing on ANY part of the body will make you aware of it? That the circulatory or nervous system will respond to that focus? Please Steve. Focus on your hair, you will feel it. "Taoists agree with the most of the above new age/Buddhist fluff but they also notice that the coin has another side." Which Tao"ists" Steve? Care to site your source?

Might want to check this one out: http://www.thefreenlp.com/