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Thanks everyone. I am pretty sure I am working with yin to some degree, but I have heard many times the "if you can feel it, its not yin" mantra being pounded out here in the forums. More than anything I just wanted opinions. Thanks

I remember a study done by the mayo clinic which showed that qlink and qray did not preform better than a placebo. My advice would be to save your cash and buy something cool like a neruotrek.

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as far as books you can buy, The tao of meditation is an all time favorite. Also Energy Work, and Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce.

Taoist81, I'm really not here to argue or prove myself to you or anyone else here. I was really just trying to answer your original question of how neigong had proven itself valid to me. Talk is cheap, I realize that, and hopefully one day I can develop to a level to pass scientific scrutiny like J.Chang or Wim Hof etc. You asked me about the reactions I got, I have preformed this projection test well in excess of 20 times, and each time I get an immediate and direct response in my subject. I usually attempt my experiments either when I am staying at a friends house for the night or they are staying at my house. In both cases we are usually in the same room, and the guest gets the couch. I usually meditate doing 3 breaths per minute or less for over 4 hours before attempting to project my chi into them. I am very calm and still making no noise whatsoever. When I am staying the night at their house, usually both my friend and his girlfriend sleep on their bed in the living room (efficiency apt), and I stay on the couch adjacent from them. When I project the chi it is as if it is an extension or an extra appendage and it has full tactile sensory ability. I can watch either subject sit strait up from a deep sleep, and scream. I usually play dumb and say are you ok. "whats wrong"? I usually get a response like they had a nightmare where a cold hand was inside them or something similar. I can wait two or three more hours and repeat the same experiment with the girlfriend with similar results, every time within seconds of the projection. Like I said I've repeated this same experiment many times over, and had immediate response. I realize this isn't scientific nor is it conclusive proof, but for me there is no question. I am dedicated to achieving ascension in this lifetime, I intend to or die trying.

Taoist81, It is not my intention to brag, but I myself have developed the ability to project qi into others. I have been able to get reactions that are directly observable in other people even without them knowing I was projecting energy beforehand. Being able to accomplish this requires a deep trance of 3-4 hours minimum to attain. There is no question (at least in my mind) I am causing a direct reaction, albeit a weak one. I also practice tummo and use an infrared thermometer to measure my palms temperature for biofeedback purposes. I have seen temperatures as high as 106*F after many hours of concentration. Although this is less scientific, perhaps not even valid, I have challenged the strongest friend I know to punch my palm repeatedly as hard as he could, while I focused on pulling up earth/yin energy through my bare feet and concentrated it as a cushion in my palm. Surprisingly we kept going until his knuckles were bleeding, at that point I still felt no pain. I continuously conduct such tests any time I have the opportunity, in order to measure my progress. Some interesting video's for you: madoDvtKEes R-wuOYlxMSY

Seth, In my cursory studies of magick it seems to have systems which revolve around incantations, seals, symbols and sigils, ritual and chanting, potions involving weird ingredients and herbs, crystals, and such. I have several pagan friends I grew up with who claim to be masters and in complete control of their environments, yet still live in their parents basement. One of my friends thinks when he perfects his next spell he can hollow out mountains to build a base for his army of undead. If he can just divinate the true nature of the seals of Solomon and beef up a little more on his necromancy skills. He is sure to do it next time! I've never once seen or even heard of a practitioner of magick doing or accomplishing anything notable, certainly nothing on the level of John Chang, or Wang Li-ping etc. Perhaps I am just ignorant, if you have heard of such accomplished magickal masters who have attained similar levels of power, please enlighten me. It is my personal credo to learn form those who "walk the walk" and not just "talk the talk". Qigong and Neigong have more than proven their effectiveness to me in a direct and observable manner, I can't say the same of magick. I don't hold magick in a high regard because I have never seen or experienced anything to really justify it as valid. If I did that opinion would most certainly change.

I have plenty of friends I know [iRL] who have dedicated their life to mastery of the "Magickal" arts, as far as I am concerned its a waste of time. I have never once seen or heard of any magickal practitioner obtaining any power by chanting, mixing herbs, casting spells, or using seals or sigils, crystals or incantations. All of it is bogus. True power isn't obtained through such silliness, its obtained though extracting chi from your environment and learning how to direct, control, mold, shape, and transform it.

I am a computer geek and love linux, I also love weight lifting.

I assume everyone here who has studied the various schools of qigong and neigong on the market know exactly how important deep, full and slow abdominal breathing is. It is the key to going deeper into the void, the emptiness, the tao, universe however you wish to phrase it. I don't think most people really comprehend how important this one simple thing is. I myself have trouble pacing my breathing so I thought I would create a custom audio file of ocean waves timed exactly to the frequency of 3 breaths per minute. This helps me tremendously as it takes the guess work out of how many breaths per minute you are doing. Instructions for use: (no headphones required, this is not a binaural beat program) The purpose of this file is to help you time your breath perfectly for optimal meditation, and to give you a background noise to focus on and keep you from having distracting thoughts. It is VERY effective. 1. Get something to drink and use the bathroom beforehand, turn off your phone/cellphone, and or other distractions, stretch each part of your body 3 or 4 times, sit in a recliner or full or half lotus, but do not lay down. If you eat wait 45 minutes before meditating. Set the mp3 to repeat or loop on your cd player if you burned it to disc 2. Breath in as the wave comes in, breath out as it goes out. Do this slowly and effortlessly, relax. Focus on your lower tan tein feel the breath flowing through your body, refreshing like ocean mist in the morning. Feel the emptiness of the universe, merge with the universe. Feel the energy coming into you and leaving with the wave. Feel don't visualize. 3. Continue focusing on timing your breathing to the wave, focus on breathing and most importantly feeling the emptiness. Do not think about anything else focus! You should meditate for an hour for maximum results. This was created and encoded in linux GEEK POWER! http://www.sendspace.com/file/zn7bt1

np I hope it helps

I highly recommend the spring forest qigong course levels 1-4, Robert Peng's course, Astral dynamics and Energy Work by Robert Bruce, and The Tao of Meditation: Way to Enlightenment by Jou Tsung Hwa.

ok I think that got it, I just put [utoob]videoid#[/utoob] that seems to work

I do not understand why I can't embed video's its driving me crazy tried the full embed code, then just the youtube code. doesn't seem to work any idea's what I am doing wrong?

ah you can do 2 per minute? I am impressed Sure I will redo these and have a 30 minute 3bpm, a 30 minute 2 bpm, and a 30 minute 1bpm. no cash required man this is easy stuff, uploading takes a while though. I do need a real host for these files though. Does anyone here have a spare server they could host them on? Here you go: 30 minutes at 3 Breaths Per Minute 256Kbps http://www.sendspace.com/file/zn7bt1 30 minutes at 2 Breaths Per Minute 256Kbps http://www.sendspace.com/file/m6tn56 30 minutes at 1 Breath Per Minute 256Kbps (actually one breath per 50 seconds, 25 inhale 25 exhale, thats the most I could do on my program sorry :C ) http://www.sendspace.com/file/c3xyso

relaxing more will automatically make your breathing slower, yes. I made this file to help myself pace my breathing. You try to synchronize with the wave. I find this helps me a lot, and leads to some amazingly deep states after an hour or two. I just wanted to share it with everyone. It helps you consciously slow down your breaths, its meant as a tool to synchronize your breath with so you don't have to guess if your breathing frequency is too fast. breath in 10 seconds breath out 10 seconds, this is 20 seconds per breath cycle. 3 per minute

Understanding the higher dimensions is easy if you have experienced them first hand. During meditation and resulting OBE's I've had the opportunity to do just that. Perhaps I'm just another nutcase but I believe my experiences to be valid. you already understand the first three, but lets review them a little. 1. if you were to start with a point, and expand it infinitely in series you could make a line. ..................................................... 2. if you take a line and expand it infinitely in a series you would form a square or plane ..................................................... ..................................................... ..................................................... ..................................................... ..................................................... ..................................................... ..................................................... ..................................................... ..................................................... ..................................................... 3. if you expand a square or plane in an infinite series you would have a cube. lets think about that and apply that to time, and perhaps shift some paradigms here. most people I meet think that the past ceases to be as soon as we move forward in time, and the future is yet to be created. I can assure you this is not the case and that paradigm is completely wrong. Time is really the speed at which your awareness moves through this reality, viewed 3 dimensional cross sections (called the present) of a large 4D solid object. both past and future already existed before "you" ever came into the picture and started observing this "reality" so the forth dimension really is the realization that both past and future are apart of a solid object. That is kind of hard to visualize but imagine for one second that the past you, present you and future you are all connected and comprise a larger 4D object, just as a we expanded a square or plane infinitely to create a cube, so also if we expand our infinite number of "present" moments we experience in a lifetime we would look like a large snake or worm our birth at the beginning and our death at the other. 4. time is the perception we have of our movement through a 4D object. Remember how a point was expanded infinitely to create a line, well its the same here, except the point in this case is a 3D object. Lets talk about the fifth dimension a little. The fourth dimension implied pre-destiny and fate by showing that the future has already occurred, while this is true it is not the complete truth. Moment to moment we are presented with infinite branching 4D paths to choose from, e.g. drinking tea instead of orange juice this morning. every choice action, thought etc that you have is navigating you through a maze of infinite possibilities. You can choose any you like, most people do not pay attention at all and wind up navigating to less than ideal outcomes, this is what karma really means. You do not create reality but you choose it down to the most minute detail. This concept is supported by the MWI of quantum mechanics, Stephen Hawking and the majority of physicists subscribe to the notion that indeed we do live in a multiverse and not a universe. There are infinite parallel realities to our own, and contrary to popular belief you don't need a fancy machine to travel to them, because automatically you do it every second your alive. The choices you make, the thoughts you think, the way you act, your attitude, everything you do period, navigates you in and out of these worlds. 5. The 5th Dimension is an infinite expansion of 4D representing the choices we make and how we navigate the multiverse via our actions and thoughts. Remember how we created a square or plane by infinitely expanding a line, well the same applies here were expanding a 4D object, and showing all its possible life paths to create a plane or square. I have gone as far as the 6th dimension, but could go no further. I do not know if there really are dimensions higher than 6 but based on my first hand experience I haven't seen them. The sixth dimension is totality, every possible 5D object and path possible, in all possible worlds. Everything that is was or could be as one singular and coherent singularity. Nothing moves, everything is still. Infinity, in a grain of sand. 6. The 6th dimension encompasses everything that is was or ever could be in all possible worlds and universes as one singular coherent object. The implications of this theory are very profound, it means you aren't who or what you think you are. stew on that for a while.

Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Bill Hicks 1961-1994

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yogameditation is full of shit, he only exists to make money via his site. My Bullshitometer is on the red on this guy.

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Anyone who claims to teach how to shoot Qi Fireballs needs to do a demonstration of their ability first. This guy is cashing in on $$$, and has no real ability himself. I wouldn't listen to him if I were you. Check out The Tao of meditation, and the spring forest qigong course, and leave this guy alone.