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thanks. drew, I was wondering if you would mind summing up what you learned from taoist yoga by luk, (with out any harmonics theory), You don't have to go into great detail just like an overview, just the points that stick out in your memory. Thanks

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Do you know what yin energy feels like, and how to accumulate it as apposed to the accumulation of yang energy?

The thought of my physical body and or spirit body being killed, eaten, digested, excreted, and select parts reintegrated into my killer, really just don't fly too well with me. Just my $0.02

this is the best comprehensive guide I have found not from eastern ancient texts, but from first hand research done in deep trance states. http://www.astraldynamics.com/download/NEW-V2.pdf

I am really looking forward to the neigong book, anyone heard of an ETA on it?

I would really like to do a retranslation of Taoist Yoga By Charles Luk. As it is the translation is barely intelligible by my feeble western mind. I am going to OCR it to a text file and then replace terms I find useless with more western descriptive ones. Would anyone here be up for helping me redefine terms, I plan on making the re-re-translation available to everyone who own a physical copy of this book.

Myself I have found a deep trance state, where I breath 1-3 times per minute, and my physical body becomes numb and almost euphorically relaxed, while focusing on still going deeper, and breathing slower to be the ultimate state to feel the flow of energies. Going even deeper can even lead to spontaneous OBE's, and some wonderful effects.

I don't view the non-dualistic "nihilistic" version of enlightenment to be a bad thing, I am just saying that if a person achieved this version of enlightenment that they (as defined by egoic terms) would cease to exist. They would no longer be attached to any loved ones, or things, as those people and things would be apart of the dream they left behind when they awoke. If you went to sleep tonight, and realized you were dreaming, would you worry or get "stressed out" too much about anything? In your dream your place of work called, and told you were late, and if you weren't there in 20 minutes you were fired, would you rush to make it in time? What if you were offered millions of dollars, in exchange for a full nights labor? What good is dream money outside the confines of your own mind? If you knew for certain it was a dream, like the ones you have at night when you sleep, I don't think you would be to concerned about anything except enjoying it. Relaxing and absorbing all the mystery and wonder and knowing it all emanated from your own mind. Well thats what I would be doing anyway You wouldn't care much about other beings in a nightly dream. After all they were your own subconscious creations, and had no existence outside your own mind, and really were just parts of yourself interacting with you. For all intents and purposes here to us the "dreamers" an enlightened being in this regard would be the same as dead. A being who is completely empty, and hollow. I don't think most people are really searching for this or would even want it if they found it. Thats what I meant by my warning. I am not sure really this non-dualistic state of consciousness is true enlightenment, or perhaps the beginning stages of it. but from what I have read it won't stop the rebirth process, which to me is the whole point. What good is truth if you just go to sleep again and forget it. To me stopping rebirth takes priority above truth, because truth thats forgotten is pointless. Certain schools of neigong offer a way to fuse together your yin and yang aspects, and escape the cycle of rebirth. That is really what I am seeking, I will worry more about enlightenment after that milestone if I ever achieve it.

Hi Mal, I worked on it some but I couldn't get it quite to come out the way I wanted to. Even with the terms which I found confusing replaced with their definitions from the glossary, I still find it very hard and cryptic to understand. Such is the nature of engrish. I eventually plan on doing a complete rewrite from the ground up. I will be leaving for a 5 year retreat soon. Might be able to check in once every few months here at the bums when I come to town for supplies. I have been saving up for dried provisions, and brushing up on edible wild plant information. My family owns a cabin near local forest service land about 20 miles the nearest store. I am looking forward to having time to just be without being stressed out to work a full time job and meditate 3-4 hours a day also. I should have plenty of time to work on a retranslation during this time, coming up later this year around December or so. This is going to be a huge undertaking for me, so it might be a few years before it even gets finished. I will keep you guys updated though. I wish copyrights weren't so restrictive. I would love to upload this book as a wiki where the entire group could co-edit and revise confusing terms, and wording. I am not sure if a complete rewrite of this manual will be considered plagiarism or not, and have received a large amount of hate mail already threating legal action if I even attempt it. Even though it wont be a for profit project, I am not sure if I will get sued or not if I release it publicly.

I thought someone else might like these as much as I do. Enjoy. http://youtube.com/watch?v=tui75YfJtk4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=YPjmokjdHDg

On energetic practices: Qigong, Neigong and other practices can result in the over stimulation of the mind and lead to anxiety, and panic attacks, manic type euphoria, and sleep-deprivation induced hallucinations. The practitioner needs to be able to ground out this abundance of energy, or gather it up and store in in their lower dan tein. Some methods on grounding are sitting on earth and feeling the energy being dumped into the earth. Slow deep breathing. Eating a heavy protein meal. Taking a luke warm shower as long as possible, and feeling the energy draining away. Getting a good restful sleep by taking melatonin, and chamomile before bed. Isolating themselves from others until the excess energies are gone from their system. Please don't take this as an attack, really its just a rant against society. On enlightenment: A lot of people think enlightenment one of those things you can try out for the weekend but then go back to work on Monday at your 9-5, and then go bowling on Tuesday, and church on Sunday. We're really talking about fundamentally changing the way we view reality, a complete 180 in paradigm. That isn't something you can achieve and still remain exactly as you were. It's really not a "have your cake and eat it too" scenario. Enlightenment is a completely new paradigm and mode of being or rather non-being, learning to adjust to it, while still acting normal and functioning according to your previous paradigm (while in the presence of others) isn't going to be easy. I guess it all boils down to how you define enlightenment. If you define enlightenment as an expansion of mind, self, ego and consciousness, or elevation to divine status, etc. Then yes there are better ways. If you view enlightenment as permanent non-dual awareness, awakening from the dream, and the realization of truth, then no there isn't a better way. You can't keep yourself, your ego, your identity, your sense of self, and still be enlightened, Sure maybe you could keep your ego around as perhaps a costume used to interact with the rest of society out of necessity, but its not the same, there is no one behind it. Everyone says they want the truth, but what if the truth isn't something they would like to hear. What if is scary, and leads to uncharted territory? The Buddha said verbatim this world is a dream, and we are all asleep. To wake up you must first realize the life your living is a dream. Not many people are willing to do that. Sometimes people have so called "psychotic" reactions to glimpses of truth, they have as a result of their meditation. 10 minutes of true non-dual awareness would be enough to send most people I know into a serious existential crisis. But that isn't such a bad thing,that is if they really want the truth. What if the truth means the life they have been living wasn't/isn't real, and the ego and identity they had built up was no more real than a fictional character in a dream. That just isn't something people want to hear, or much less think about, truth or not. They want something which will make them feel good about themselves, give them purpose and meaning, within the context of what they currently believe to be real. Truth isn't what most people are after, they really want sleeping pills. If truth and enlightenment are truly what someone seeks, then a so called existential crisis, or "psychotic" break might just be the best thing to ever happen to them. Rant on psychosis: Modern day psychiatry is a sham. Any person who belongs to a non-mainstream belief system or lack thereof, runs the risk of being diagnosed with a disorder or illness. Despite the fact this runs completely against the founding principals of our constitution, it is common place and accepted in our society. Every day across the world, thousands of people that pose no threat to themselves or others, and are perfectly capable of functioning in society are imprisoned and drugged until they are deemed "well". This diagnosis is made by individuals who practice not an objective science, but an art. There are many people who have been committed for espousing the teachings of the Buddha as actual realizations they themselves had, or in a literal belief (not intellectual) in pantheism, nihilism, nondualism, shamanism or a myriad of other religious or philosophical ideas and concepts. They're incarcerated and drugged, and lost in a legal limbo for the rest of their lives if they don't pretend to "get well". Some people who refuse to admit their "insanity" are given shock treatments, and strait jacketed in padded rooms. The lobotomy is still a practiced procedure, although now it hides behind the term "psycho-surgery". The long term effects of some of these medicines are horrible, renal failure, Parkinson's, diabetes, and some are extremely neurotoxic. I am not sure modern day psychiatry is any better than it was in the dark ages, when we preformed trepanation to release the demons from peoples heads. A persons sanity should only come into question if they are unable to function in society and abide by its laws, and rules, or if they pose a threat to themselves or other people. Unfortunately that isn't the case. This is worth watching

I think when most people talk about enlightenment, what they are really talking about is apotheosis. How would you personally define enlightenment? If it isn't waking up from this dream we call life, what exactly is it then?

Well I use the dvd metaphor in a non literal sense... These are just my theories of what is going on, I am not enlightened, nor am I sure that true enlightenment is my real aim. I just want to stop the death/rebirth cycle. That is my number one priority.

Rex, When Buddha said this world is a dream, that wasn't meant metaphorically. We conduct our lives as though everything we do has purpose and meaning, and were marching forward towards some great end. What meaning does a dream have? What meaning does instrumental song or an abstract painting have? I think you might be missing what I'm getting at. You don't want enlightenment, because it isn't something which will better your life. As a matter of fact it will destroy it. It is a complete and total annihilation of self, identity, ego, life and attachments to loved ones/things.. Awakening is death. A hollowing out of being. This world my friend is a big sand box, and we are just toddlers playing make believe with our sand creations. Hey look my sand car is bigger than yours! Look at my sand house! And my sand money! And my sand computer. Look at my sand man, and all his little sand friends! Somehow over the course of our game of make believe we forgot we are not the sand people in the sand world, but rather the makers of it. Enlightenment is reaching adult hood, and realizing playing make believe is a game children play. Walking out of the sandbox and trying to figure out just what the hell is really going on. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1RQmnSJoRg http://youtube.com/watch?v=AXmzcroUmdU

Enlightenment isn't something you gain, its something you lose. Enlightenment is a state in which all that is false has been removed from the mind. Since birth we are conditioned and taught how to should feel and act in response to situations, how we should behave, what things are good or bad, who we are, what all this is, why we are here... All of it is bullshit. Were taught to mentally break apart patterns, arrangements of matter and energy, and call them objects. Our minds are cluttered with words, concepts, ideas, hopes, dreams, aspirations, none of which have any reality external to our own minds. Enlightenment is about stripping away the layers of bullshit. It's about unconditioning yourself. It's about examining every single thought, notion, and belief in your head, holding it to to the light and seeing if it has any truth or existence outside your own mind. Layer after layer after layer after layer. Until there is nothing left. Nothing at all. There is no you, there are no concepts, there are no filters, there are no beliefs, there is nothing which is false. Only a mesh of interacting wave forms which give rise to your direct perception of what is. Enlightenment isn't something you want or even could possibly want. Because it results in the complete obliteration of all of ones emotional connections, life, and self in general. Imagine one day if you woke up, only to find that you had been living inside a persistent dreamstate in a coma for 30 years. Everyone you ever loved, perhaps even your own children were just fictional characters your subconscious dreamed up, and were now gone that you awakened. All your favorite things; new products, new music, new books, all just creations of your own mind. The whole world you once believed so certainly was real now collapses. Would you choose to wake up if it meant that level of sacrifice, no one I know would. If given the choice between a million dollars or achieving enlightenment; take a million dollars, because you will be there to enjoy it. If you achieve enlightenment there will be no one there to enjoy it.

Spiritual Warfare By Jed McKenna. There is more truth in this book than any other I've ever read, For those that think enlightenment is indescribable, your in for a surprise.

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Drew, Can I ask you a personal question. With all your advanced knowledge, have you any demonstrable power to show for it? If no, do you believe you will soon attain any via your practices?

Can anyone here help me. I just found out a close friend is in near end stages of renal failure. What TCM treatments are used to strengthen kidneys? What other things are recommended. Please only reply if you have a good understanding of such things. Thanks to all in advance. -matt