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Scotty, Ive just gone back & re-read your post & you have my sencearest apologies I did take it the wrong way - completely There was a point there where i worked myself up into a state & ended up taking a nip at a Komrad. Once again im very sorry, & my apologies to any & all if ive misquoted them.

Well thankyou Seek1, If you think its worth the attention i might do it & see what happens

Yuen Biao, thankyou for your kind words I say those things to demonstrate to people the complete BS that floats about with regard to these subjects - I could have used more colourful language that would have been a better reflection of how i felt The subject of this thread is "PROVE IT" stop talking & demonstrate it Have you read all the preceding posts? do you not see all the tip toeing about? - the desperate avoidance of the subject itself by those who claim this or that? If the things i say bother you does that make me an imbecile? I must be ... if you say so & yes i have spiritual practices - but they dont involve ego cultivation, they are based in reality. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck & walks like a duck - its probably a duck Sorry if thats too imbecilic for you

Fantastic... got any video of it? Now lets get back to the thread topic people ... PROVE IT. Shall we stop pouring our energies & reasonings into discussions of "A real master" would or wouldnt do this or that. & lets see some video clips people Where are these "Big guns" who have many years of wisdom & many thousands of comments under their belts? Enough toing & froing on tiny elements of an idea. I read something many years ago that said "Believe nothing of what you hear, & only half of what you see" time & time again i have found these words to be priceless & true to fact (dissapointingly) & why should these "Masters" prove anything? ... to stop thousands of others following charlatains with worthless & hollow teachings & to clarify spirituality to those who need it. THATS WHY.

Well.... I logged on this morning a bit worried about what i might read in this thread - I spent most of the day at work worrying if id been a bit too gobby in my post But lo & behold & much to my relief.... Most people out there agree!!! De Paradise - Lets see your "chi trick" better yet where do you live & ill come & feel it for myself Some of the other comments are fantastic - ive never laughed so hard: - Golden shit QiGong LMFAO!! We dont have the Randi show here in the UK but we have Derren Brown & if you can convince him of the paranormal...you can convince the world ps. If there are any of those golden turds going - chalk me up for a couple

Sure Seek1 no worries, Born in Northern Ireland & raised in New Zealand, got involved in the martial arts at age 10 from there dabbled in some meditation practices that I feel was much too early-achieved an out of body experience but almost lost my mind in the process after seeking help from a Baptist priest i turned my back on the martial arts & accociated practises. Got some juicey stories about that if anyone is interested. Fast forward about 20yrs & ive figured out that what i went through was not Satanic but something i was trying to force at the wrong time I have returned to my martial arts practice & have begun a journey into Chi Gung - now the search for a "proper" teacher has taken up a good chunk of the last 5yrs...still no luck So thats the short version Cheers

FIANLLY!!!! Someone has come out & said it.... those 2 words... PROVE IT Seekeroftruth - well done. Seekeroftruth speaks the absolute truth Im with you on this one, why has nobody done it? There are many wise & wonderful people here who claim many many things, surely ONE of them can prove SOMETHING... ANYTHING. Now lets sit back & watch the reasons roll in - this will be interesting, im guessing a few will say "why prove anything?" & others "If you train hard you will prove it to yourself" you know the usual BS. The gauntlet has been laid down - will anyone step forward? ............................. anyone? Oh & theres a strong possibility nobody posting anything

Kia Ora!!! Awesome another Kiwi Im originally from Christchurch but now living in the UK. I too studied a little Zhineng (im assuming you mean chigung) i particularly liked "3 centers merge". Youve done well to find any chi gung teachers at all, if the north island is anything like the south - Although NZ now has a very large asain community I felt they kept the spiritual practices under wraps Hope to hear more from you

Aaaaah OK i see ... dont take anything too personally - no worries Thanks.

Hi JohnyZt ... & Dzien Dobry Welcome to Tao Bums My wife is Polish & i have been to Poland many times (lovely country) I love the south - a small city named Sanok is where we got married Take care i Papa

Hey Guys! I live about 2 hours outside of London, I think your talking about Derren Brown, yes hes a major de bunker & some of the things he does are absolutely amazing. Without people like him there would be spiritual chaos (moreso than there already is) because people would just blindly believe many of the clever tricksters out there & believe me there are many.

Hello Yoda Wow to figure out life the universe & everything in 5 minutes is some achievement & to keep things on the downlow? do you mean dont bleat to everyone about your problems? or something else? Could you elaborate a little on becoming aware of other peoples problems & needing to be smart as hell Wow ive just seen how many posts youve made - HEAPS! how long have you been dropping in here? Cheers Pal

Hey there seek1 welcome to Tao Bums, Im new here too, its an awesome site with some really interesting people & ideas flying about. Like yourself ive experienced the peaks & troughs of a spiritual path - but i do wonder why there has to be a trough after you feel youve made a breakthrough of some kind & things are going well. Why can we not just continue onward & upward? Is it a balance thing? Any further comments from anyone would be welcomed

Hello all, Can anyone tell me if being seated in the full lotus position improves our practises or not? Some say that it essential to progress - can anyone explain how & why this may be so? & are there any preparotory excercises that might help loosen up the knees as im a 95kg 35yr old male & not exactly supple any more Any of your opinions will be greatly appreciated

Ok so its a gradual conditioning process thankyou - something for me to work on. I wasnt aware of the importance of left over right & vice versa so thankyou once again Oh thanks Michael i just caught your post - Ill dive into that link tomorrow, looks like its got all the info i need. Cheers.

Hi Darin (hope thats your name) Please excuse my ignorance - im new here You say - In reality it had rounded edges...... etc. Where did you see the symbol?

Kia ora Bro!!!

ANOTHER KIWI!!!! Hello there!...or G'day Im from Christchurch but now living in the UK - Wow you did well to find any info on Taoism down in NZ, I found that although martial arts are very popular in NZ thats where the culture ends how has your search been going? have you found yourself a good teacher? - I hope so Great to find another kiwi.

Hey cool!! another UK member!! Im down here in sunny Bournemouth wheres your roof? Welcome to the forum - im new here too.

Hi Andy, Wow what an intro - but one with which many of us can relate to (unfortunately) Many years ago i was in a similar situation to yourself & I know a little of how you feel, its tough but as they say - time is a great healer Over the next few months or years you will be able to look back on it & understand how & why it happened - I believe as people we must experience these things at some point in our lives, its part of our development. In my situation i can now look back with relief & think "Imagine if i was still there now!" I hope you can do the same soon ...& welcome to the forum, im new here too.

Hello everyone im new to the site & would like to introduce myself. Spirituality has been an interest for me for many years & particularly the various chinese practises. Well im about to dive on in & start grazing the forums. Lovely to meet you all