RongzomFan

Seriously who is the Thusness fellow? And why do you suck his dick?

Most of the blog is excellent. Its the Thusness crap that is the problem. Xabir promoted the Thusness crap as authentic Buddhism within the last 3 days.....on a buddhist forum no less.

When Xabir promotes stuff like this as authentic Buddhism: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html he has no credibility whatsoever.

Emptiness has 3 aspects. What you think I picked my A, B, C out of my ass? My A, B, C are the 3 aspects of emptiness.

I don't know what any of this means. But I phrased my A, B, C to be completely non-secular. YES it is in the vein of Gorampa, but Gorampa's Madhyamaka is a neutral Madhyamaka, and is considered one of the definitive Madhyamakas. Your idol Namdrol considers Gorampa to be the definitive Madhyamaka.

You say that my A, B, C is incomplete. I say that is non-secular and universal.

Listen. All buddhists agree that to say an object is "empty" is to say that thing is dependently orginated, even Tsongkhapa. Ok? Lets all agree on this and not promote the Gelugpa definition of emptiness ('lacking intrinsic existence').

I noticed there is a time delay between you and me. I just trashed Tsongkhapa above. To read why Tsongkhapa is garbage read around page 50 in this link: http://books.google.com/books?id=l21zNNMhQB0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Freedom+from+extremes:+Gorampa's+"Distinguishing+the+views"&hl=en&ei=EV5qTp3a

Wrong. This is the Gelupa view of Tsongkhapa. Unfortunately, as noted by others, it has contaminated every bit of Buddhism. Read second paragraph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhyamaka

It is the full teaching. You are just ignorant.

Are you smarter than Nagarjuna? Why would you read the sutras LOL Just study Madhyamaka (or read my first post again which is Madhyamaka in the vein of Gorampa)

I prefer Buddhist Thought by Paul Williams for an intro. And its floating around for free on the internet: http://buddhisttorrents.blogspot.com/2009/02/buddhist-thought-complete-introduction.html

So basically a mod should make this a sticky: a. Everything appears as mere thoughtforms (conceptual constructs) designated upon causes and conditions. This applies to yourself, deities, time, the causes and conditions themselves, and even the principle of causality itself. b. By its very nature conceptual thought is dichotomizing, yet "reality" (or lack of it) is free from all extremes. This is shown by specific Madhyamaka analyses which you can research on your own. c. There is a primordial freedom distinct from grasping your mind. Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times (past, present, future). Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A%C5%ABnyat%C4%81

??? I'm not following. P.S. What you consider emptiness is just nonsense and not-Buddhist.

Exactly. We agree. Thus there is no need to read the actual sutras yourself.

Damn, you REALLY need to study Gorampa. Wow. I follow Gorampa's Madhyamaka, which is the definitive Madhyamaka in my opinion. Thats what my A, B, C is.

Xabir, I don't read Sutras or Chinese Buddhism. I don't do that crap. Nagarjuna and sons already distilled the essence of all the Buddhist texts extant at that time into a system called Madhyamaka.

Buddhism is pretty simple: a. Everything appears as mere thoughtforms (conceptual constructs) designated upon causes and conditions. This applies to yourself, deities, time, the causes and conditions themselves, and even the principle of causality itself. b. By its very nature conceptual thought is dichotomizing, yet "reality" (or lack of it) is free from all extremes. This is shown by specific Madhyamaka analyses which you can research on your own. c. There is a primordial freedom distinct from grasping your mind. Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times (past, present, future). OK? You either know there is a primordial freedom from grasping your mind or you don't. Vidya vs avidya

I think you got it backwards.

My A, B, C can be confirmed in the following books: Buddhist Thought by Paul Williams Freedom from extremes: Gorampa's "Distinguishing the views" Emptiness by Geshe Tashi Tsering (ignore the bad amazon review from the self admitted Christian gnostic who trashes every Madhyamaka book)

How can he teach something he does not understand at all? Show me something even resembling this on your blog: a. Everything appears as mere thoughtforms (conceptual constructs) designated upon causes and conditions. This applies to yourself, deities, time, the causes and conditions themselves, and even the principle of causality itself. b. By its very nature conceptual thought is dichotomizing, yet "reality" (or lack of it) is free from all extremes. This is shown by specific Madhyamaka analyses which you can research on your own. c. There is a primordial freedom distinct from grasping your mind. Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times (past, present, future). I'll wait

I gotta ask. Why Thusness? There are a ton of people in the Advaita/neoZen/Nonduality community that spew all sorts of crap. Why did you latch onto Thusness and his particular crap? P.S. I have no problem with you preaching nonduality, just don't promote it as Buddhism.

Congrats Xabir. You fooled this poor college student into believing this garbage: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html

Neither you or Thusness have a clue about Buddhist sunyata, especially point C: a. Everything appears as mere thoughtforms (conceptual constructs) designated upon causes and conditions. This applies to yourself, deities, time, the causes and conditions themselves, and even the principle of causality itself. b. By its very nature conceptual thought is dichotomizing, yet "reality" (or lack of it) is free from all extremes. This is shown by specific Madhyamaka analyses which you can research on your own. c. There is a primordial freedom distinct from grasping your mind. Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times (past, present, future).

You promote Thusness' "teachings" of emptiness as real Buddhist sunyata on your blog and internet forum posts. Jesus Christ, you are so ignorant.