RongzomFan

My word has no weight? Jesus Christ. You should look at your posts over the years. Yes it is a lot to ask. The Pali Canon? Are you serious? Who the hell reads that? I accept the Pali canon, but I don't read it. We don't even have the real Pali canon available. You can ask a Sakya Loppon on his blog: www.atikosha.org

Anyway most of the tantric deities like Heruka are straight out of India, as NWA is straight out of Compton.

He is right.

I didn't even see this until Vaj replied to it. GIH, are you serious? All these deities were part of INDIAN buddhism. Read the THE CAKRASAMVARA TANTRA by David Gray

I just don't like Vajrayana teachings being subverted with Goetia, Satan etc. Thats just me. I ask the bystanders who won the debate since you resort to name calling. I know ralis would side with you though.

"Buddhahood without Meditation" is not a nuclear weapon. Thats a spitwad at best. You don't think a black magician would will to destroy the heavens. You don't think that would be their deepest intent?? Go onto the Satanism forums dude. See I know a lot of stuff since I am a polymath.

ok maybe not corrupt.....I meant subvert for their own magickal paradigm. Just like Poke Runyon did. He took Vajrayana teachings and combined it with Goetia. Instead of guru yoga with enlightened buddhas, you do guru yoga with demons or something like that.

Ah but thats where you are wrong. Imagine one black magician attaining a very high level like close to their demonic equivalent of rainbow body. He could destroy the heavens etc. So a closer analogy would be to give everyone nuclear weapons, not guns.

Read "the middle way" by the Dalai Lama. Everything that is dependently originated is empty (if you know what that means). So an independent reality would not be able to interact with this universe...to such an extent that it would be meaningless to talk about a God.

Wow I guess you missed the entire point of my post. I don't care whether black magicians kill people or whatever. Again the point is they would corrupt the teachings. In fact it has already happened. The ass clown Poke Runyon took some Vajrayana teachings and combined it with the Goetia.

Would you rather have this information slip into the hands of black mages? There are a ton of magick forums, and lot of people practice black magick etc. Don't take my word for it, you can confirm yourself by going into the magick forums on the internet. Black magick takes EVERYTHING "white" and flips it to make it black. They do it with everthing from Golden Dawn magick (invert the pentagrams etc.), to Goetia (worship the demons instead of subjugating) to even enochian (angelic) magick. They can't help themselves! And my understanding is that this is the traditional concern as per Keith Dowman's commentary in "Flight of the Garuda" And the issue is not whether magick is real or not. Even if magick is 100% bullshit, the fact remains there ARE a bunch of people whose sole goal is to corrupt sacred teachings.

well I edited my post, but you responded before then. and by the way, what the fuck are you talking about LOL anyway just reread my post

I totally disagree with this. If you want to learn about buddhism start studying Dzogchen. Then start Mādhyamaka. Read "The Middle Way" by the Dalai Lama. Ignore the Pali canon and all that other stuff until the end. I recommend a top down approach.

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So going back to the starting post of the thread....This is my opinion: Advaita Vedanta is not the same as Mādhyamaka on the intellectual level, even though Advaita Vedanta has heavy Mādhyamaka influence historically speaking. On the experiential level, they may or may not be the same. But neither are on the same level as Dzogchen in any way.

My point is that one should look to actual teachers instead of unknown people on the internet. That includes me. And I don't think that you are very knowledgeable about buddhism. That is my personal opinion. That doesn't mean you are a bad guy.

What I was trying to say, is that if dwai studied Dzogchen, he would probably abandon vedanta since he preaches about nonduality on the experiential level. and you yourself, definitely need to learn more about Dzogchen teachings atleast on the intellectual level.

And there are two different arguments being made. Is Advaita vedanta and Mādhyamaka the same intellectually? Are the two things the same experientially? The answer to one may not be the answer to the other

Honestly both Vaj and Dwai need to study Dzogchen. Maybe you two can agree on some stuff if you both did that.

Vaj does not represent buddhism in any way He is not even knowledgeable about it honestly. But he is right that DO is the ultimate teaching, especially lhun grub

I just had a thread on the Higher Self: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/17204-utter-nonduality/

Dalai Lama says the degree of enlightenment is directly correlated to the configuration of channels etc. in the body. Like I said the sooner that everyone realizes that it is all about working on the channels etc. in body, the better. If you think that has nothing to do with dependent origination, then you don't get dependent origination.

If you had adult style fantasies at that time, it means you had a negative spirit.

Well there is the way buddhism teaches, that is to work on the channels and bindus in the body. Dalai Lama says the degree of enlightenment is directly correlated to the configuration of channels etc. in the body. And Namdrol says the sooner that everyone realizes that it is all about working on the channels etc. in body, the better.

I actually said there is simply a discrepency between appearances (thoughtforms) and reality. Why don't you try to read something accurately for once in your life? ----->CLICK ON THE BELOW LINK<----- http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Dalai+lama+discrepency+between+appearancs+and+reality#hl=en&q=Dalai+lama+discrepancy+between+appearances+and+reality&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=bks:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=wp&fp=6383229191970f24 BTW, why are you combining what I say about Dzogchen with what I say about Mādhyamaka??? You are totally clueless dude....