RongzomFan

First off, I don't discount compassion and wisdom. Secondly, do you really expect hardcore esoteric stuff to be given openly? Usually you have to do a multi-year retreat. This is coming from people I know. Thirdly, every Dzogchen material atleasts hints about the esoteric practices.

I expect them to do their own homework obviously. Yes they absolutely do. Actually thats the main point and critical characteristic of Dzogchen. You may not like it, but its the truth:) P.S. I don't know why you linked that article. What was your point? By the way, thats the same guy I get all my Dzogchen info from, Loppon Namdrol.

No thats how Timothy designed it, Robert's business partner

Just stick to Dzogchen views, which are definitive. Emptiness in Dzogchen is primordial purity. Thats a lot simpler right? And it supersedes all lower views! Dependent origination in Dzogchen has to do with esoteric practices that self-liberate the human body into the Sambhogakāya (rainbow body phenomenon).

Here are some exerpts from the book The Essential Vedanta by Eliot Deutsch & Rohit Dalvi 2004. "....much of Sankara's metaphysics, especialy his analysis of the world as maya, was taken from Buddhist sources. In any event a close relationship between the Mahayana schools and Vedanta did exist with the latter borrowing some dialectical techniques, if not specific doctrines, of the former." pg. 126 "Gaudapada rather clearly draws from Buddhist philosophical sources for many of his arguments and distinctions and even for the forms and imagery in which these arguments were cast." pg. 157 Gaudapada was the guru of Sankara's guru.

Hmm what are other people's thoughts on it? Manifestation and Healing DVD From what I understand, its like 10 hours long....

I do RB style energy work with the chakras. They are real. Everyone has them, not just Indians. Just think about your throat chakra. You might feel a lump in your throat. Thats your throat chakra activating.

from what I understand RB is not really familiar with eastern philosophies and mainly teaches from his personal experience.

what about those body mandalas, where you are Heruka i.e. the universe and even the buddhas are just parts of you?

A BUNCH OF ROBERT BRUCE LINKS: http://blog.astraldynamics.com/2009/07/31/understanding-godsourceself/ http://blog.astraldynamics.com/2010/03/01/what-is-your-higher-self/ http://blog.astraldynamics.com/2009/09/30/the-meaning-of-life/ http://blog.astraldynamics.com/2009/01/01/affirmations-the-great-shortcut/ http://blog.astraldynamics.com/2009/01/06/the-great-secret/ http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=12491&p=105676&hilit=source#p105676 http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=12491&p=115360&hilit=source#p115360 http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=6520&p=79585&hilit=+prison#p79585

Robert even recommends praying to ONESELF. If you are going to pray, pray like this "Almighty God within...." Thats what he said a couple of times. And the prayer has to be out loud so that it activates the throat chakra on the astral level.

Robert Bruce on the Afterlife: http://blog.astraldynamics.com/2009/05/26/the-afterlife/

I am still waiting to hear something bad. You simply are clairaudient when you meditate. So what? What are these "attacks"?

BTW, I see you asked on Veritas. The people on Veritas are all newbs even the supposedly knowledgeable ones. I am familiar with the Key of Solomon, Lesser key of Solomon, Enochian magick, Arbatel, Vajrayana and pretty much everything occult. Try enochian magick. It is powerful white magick, that summons "angels".

How are they the same? My local Hindu priests talk about tantra all the time, and they definitely don't mean anything sexual. Even academically speaking, tantra does not equal sex.

There is always Enochian Magick. Read Enochian Vision Magick by Lon Milo Duquette. http://www.evocationmagic.com/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=63670c3363eccced0b9b8b84a599bbcc

can you please describe your problem again in detail?

On Feb 1, the new edition of this book is coming out: http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Psychic-Self-Defense-Handbook/dp/1571746390/ The old edition is the best book on this stuff, and I suspect the new book will be even better.

The Cakrasamvara Tantra by David B. Gray By the way, do you mean real tantra or western sexual tantra? As an Indian, I actually really do know what real tantra is.

If you want to gain personal experience with the fact that consciousness can exist separately from the physcial body take up OBE. My understanding from Robert Bruce, people fall into an extremely realistic lucid dream after death. It is so realistic that people do not know they died. You could actually be dead right now LOL. And this you can also prove to yourself as well. It is called a WILD...Wake induced lucid dream. A WILD is as realistic as reality.

I read the first post and thought it might have a Zen guy who said such nonsense. Zen guys don't represent buddhism in any way.

I have a graduate school level of education. I flunked out of dental school one year before graduating when I realized the nature of mind nondualism style. I have pretty much the education of a medical doctor, because we were all mixed together. I would never drink piss. Its the crap you body is trying to get RID OF. Do you all know that piss is a direct filtrate of blood? That water is from your blood. I am still surprised about that LOL.

Even if President Obama was standing in front of you, your thoughtform of him would be relatively stable, yet his thoughts and emotions would be constantly fluctuating. Thus there is a simply a discrepancy between appearances (thoughtforms) and reality.

Not really. You have been listening to fools on this forum who don't understand buddhism. I, as someone who is knowledgeable in buddhism, am saying very plainly that emptiness is simply a negation of your claim that everyone experiences a self. This is the actual technical definition from Madhymakia. Emptiness is a nonimplicative negation. Think about President Obama. In a way he only exists in your mind as a thoughform. Similarly you exist as a thoughtfrom in your own mind.

HOW TO ACCESS THE VISION SCREEN 1. Systematically do the relaxation procedure. The one where you contract and relax all muscle groups starting from the toes going up as described by Astral Dynamics Revised Edition 2. Do a yawning stretch and get into trance position 3. Pre-stimulate hands, feet, arms and legs. Do the whole body bounce and full body circuit. 4. Enter trance 5. Raise energy through and stimulate ALL primaries (including brow) using the various actions (spinning, tearing etc.) after sweeping energy up the legs several times. I can't give the full explanation here. Read the books. 6. Raise extra energy to Brow by sweeping energy up the legs. I can't give the full explanation here. Read the books. Upon repeated stimulation of the brow, you will feel a throbbing sensation and will see a flash of light, because the brow acts like a capacitor. Upon further stimulation, you will see a magic mirror of sorts upon which one can view (and hear) anything and anyone at any time. This oval magic mirror appears to hang at arm's length in front of you. You can also heal or kill people via intention (as described in Energy Work by Robert Bruce). 7. Once vision screen forms, do a brushing action on the feet to stimulate energy flow and also raise energy up legs. This maintains enough energy for the vision screen. Somewhere during this process mentally affirm 'my brow chakra strobes' and 'I am the great eye' I personally believe the vision screen is the same as the divya caksus (that Shakyamuni used to achieve enlightenment) but I need to research it more. P.S. Don't do this until every lower aspect of the energy body has been developed, especially the perineum. I warned you. HOW TO USE THE VISION SCREEN Once you got the vision screen, how do you use it?? In the beginning just be a passive observer only. Silently and mentally affirm "I see a yellow dog" or "I see a lady with a blue hat" Only then, try active manipulation. Silently and mentally say "Show me the Great Pyramids". Once you see the Great Pyramids you can actually will yourself through the vision screen if you wanted to. This turns it into an active OBE. You can return to your body and vision screen with intention and then tune something else. You can also heal people (or the opposite) using the technique in Energy Work by Robert Bruce. Here is the direct quote from Astral Dynamics Revised Edition by Robert Bruce: "The vision screen is another possible side effect of primary-center and OBE work, particularly where the brow and crown centres are more developed than usual. This is an advanced-energy phenomenon. It relates to kundalini, clairvoyance, OBE and remote viewing. This can occur independent of any other phenomenon. The first indication of the vision screen appearing will be increased brow-center activity, with an accelerating throbbing sensation. The vision screen then appears amidst a spectacular mind's-eye light show. If this ever happens, do not panic. Relax, stay focused, and just let it happen. Keep raising energy to feed your brow center. Once the vision screen forms, it looks like an oval mirror of dense smoke hanging before you, about 18 inches by 12 inches, at arm's length. This can also manifest as something like a computer monitor. Focus on its cloudy surface and a stream of brilliant visions will soon appear. You can control the subject matter with intent, using silent affirmations and commands. Think on something and it will appear. You can look into the past, present, or future by changing your intent. Do not speak aloud, or you will break your relaxed state. It takes a lot of energy to maintain a vision screen. The focus of your eyes as well as the focus of your mind will affect this. Once the vision screen forms, it can be used as a portal for OBE. Focus on a place that you know and it will appear on the vision screen. Feel and intend yourself moving into this vision. You will achieve a smooth OBE with no exit sensations and will just find yourself at the target in your projected double. You can explore the target and then return to the vision screen through an act of will and intention. If the vision screen is still active, you can repeat the process and travel elsewhere. Once mastered, the vision screen is like a magic carpet. It is the ultimate OBE tool. However, manifesting the vision screen for any useful length of time takes strong flow of energy."