RongzomFan

Can we please stop with the Sai Baba stuff?

I mean you are not visualizing anything in the mind. You are using "feel".

??? His system uses tactile imaging not visualization

Oh I had emotional fervor. Here is an old thread when I first did it. http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=11181&p=86626 I didn't even know that it was called the vision screen, because I had missed that part, but I WAS following Robert Bruce's techniques. In the thread I call the vision screen a "metaphysical portal" LOL

Do me a favor, and don't post in my threads, since YOU are the one who has no clue.

No, he was enlightened by the divya caksus

into what? the divya caksus? I know the divya caksus is obtained in the fourth jhana, which I believe is the trance state. I really don't know more about the divya caksus than that. You do use breath a lot to do this stuff. I did not give all the details, because I assume you are going to look in Robert Bruce's books for that.

Ok, we are going off on a buddhist tangent. This is my understanding of the divya caksus. Shakyamuni used this to trace his previous lives and other peoples previous and future lives. Thus he gained an understanding of karma, rebirth but most importantly DEPENDENT ORIGINATION. This is how he became a Buddha. He also used this to visit the gods, like Brahma. In fact it is impossible for anyone to gain personal experience with higher metaphysics without the divya caksus. It is possible to gain arhatship without it, but you won't be a superior arhat. It is mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abhijna The divya caksus is recognized by every level of buddhist teaching from Theravada to Vajrayana. I personally believe the divya caksus is the same as the vision screen, but I really need to ask someone smarter about buddhism than me. I think I once read the divya caksus is preceded by a flash of white light, which would strongly correlate the two.

Of course. The path of the Mahasiddhas uses siddhis for total enlightenment. Thats always the goal. Not only did Buddha use the divya caksus for his own enlightenment, but he recommended it to others as the superior path.

First all I don't know what you mean by ego. I follow Dzogchen teachings, so if you talk about kadag and sems, maybe I can understand you.

Its not a rationalization. From my point of view, you are rationalizing.

That is just an old myth that has no basis. It is definitely not in the ancient literature. Even Buddha used the jhanas and the divya caksus to attain enlightenment Siddhis and powers are OK and actually preferred.

I am. I follow the path of the Mahasiddhas. They are the guys that achieve enlightenment the fastest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahasiddha Even Buddha used the vision screen if it is the same thing as the divya caksus. The divya caksus is how he actually attained enlightenment even according to Theravada.

oops double post

The funny thing is that Robert Bruce is vehemently anti-New Age. His energy system doesn't use visualization or "picture in your mind" as you put it. Don't project the flaws of what you follow unto others. And he doesn't talk about or teach "kundalini yoga". He triggered kundalini using his own methods. So you are 0 for 3. I agree if you want to do kundalini yoga with the various mantras, yantras and stuff like that go somewhere else. BTW, Sivananda is not an authority on anything. He was influenced by theosophy and all sorts of such quintessential New Age stuff. Since I am Indian, I will help you out. In India, Vivekananda is the respected modern author, if you must have a modern author.

Right, but what do you think of that article?

I remembered when I first experienced the vision screen. I was like "WHAT THE FUCK!" There is actually a thread on a different forum years ago expressing my surprise when I first did it. My brow strobed with a flash of light, and then I saw the vision screen hang at arm's length. Jesus Christ. I gotta meet whoever designed the human chakra system.

ralis, I have been meaning to post this. This is basically what you believe right? http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/teachingsrealizations/179-catch-basket-concept.html

I don't know the rest. Probably just variations on the above.

I saw a stage magician in Las Vagas make a small plane disappear. Maybe thats the size you are looking for. I was in the front row, and still couldn't figure it out. It was mind blowing, but its still not real.

I strongly believe the 8 traditional Hindu siddhis are none other than: OBE clairvoyance vision screen and stuff like that

You mean like David Copperfield making airplanes and the statue of liberty disappear? Even he doesn't claim its real. He says he is an illusionist.

According to Robert Bruce, even raising kundalini, only gives more strength in OBE, vision screen, clairvoyance etc. This implies that THESE are the 8 fabled siddhis, as siddhis are supposed to be the result of raising kundalini.

Whatever you are right. I am the worst person in the world. I am done with this thread and your arrogance.

Yeah I am really claiming I am perfect there. NOT