RongzomFan

Is this the truth? http://www.forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2602 Is Max Kunlun stuff fraud? Taoist seminal retention is bollox? Buddhist tummo is bullshit?

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Approaching the Great Perfection by Sam van Schaik

I forgot to say send energy to the third eye region using NEW

first thing is to take a blue sheet of construction paper and a red sheet of construction paper and tape them to a white wall. Take a few steps back, and look at the edges. You will see the "aura" of the colors. Then take a look at the edges of the leaves of a houseplant or outdoor tree. Now finally... Take of your glasses or contacts (this is important) and look at the edges of your bare feet in sunlight. Sunlight is important too.

When did he say this? Jigme Lingpa absolutely ridicules Mādhyamaka.

I don't have visions of physical reality or deities. I just see astral junk...like floating heads of white guys

BTW If you actually want proof of OBE.... Did you ever experience a sudden falling feeling while laying in a bed? Almost like you want to grab the bed to prevent falling? Guess what? Thats was an OBE in progress.

Yeah so basically here, you admit that I already addressed this stuff before. So basically what the fuck is your problem?

If you want to keep it real, lets keep it fucking real. Did I ever say I have done this with another human being involved? You keep quoting me, and IT DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR POSITION.. Lets keep it fucking real bro.

Yeah you are using your own assumptions regarding how OBE works....like I said.

I was listening to Christian radio and an older knowledgeable pastor said the rapture occurs in May 2011, even when other people called in to challenge the assertion.

No I am pretty sure I am correct. It says it explicitly in several places. If ralis has experience with the natural state and continues in it, thats the only thing that matters.

How does that statement support the fact that it can be objectively verified for OTHER people? Clearly I am talking about myself only. Thanks for wasting pages of my thread on complete bullshit.

I am sorry, but you are wrong here. All wrong views get self-liberated into the natural state. If ralis knows rigpa, you can't really judge him.

No I didn't. You project your own common man understanding of OBE onto me. I bet you believe the soul leaves the body, and if you sever the silver cord you die.

As long as ralis has nominally taken refuge in the Triple Gems, I think he is perfectly fine. I take refuge in the Triple Gems, but I will say that buddhism is fucking boring except for Dzogchen

I was just trying to make a point, that people should just study Dzogchen Don't worry about any other buddhist teaching. Dzogchen is the same enlightenment as Shakyamuni Buddha. All talk about karma etc., seriously makes me want to vomit out of sheer boredom.

I never claimed these things can be objectively verified.

Anyway a lot of the benefits of NEW, couldn't be proved. For example I can see auras and have uncontrolled clairvoyant visions after years of practice. You can't prove these things at all. EDIT: Again I am NOT a natural psychic at all. All these things can be developed.

I personally don't care about the teachings of the Buddha. I listen to the teachings of the Mahasiddhas who obtained rainbow body and came up with Dzogchen. I only nominally take refuge in the Triple Gems.

You still don't get it You never will Relaxation isn't a support for OBE.

I am just trying to make the point that relaxation is not the central thing in sports like it is for OBE.

According to Robert Bruce, it always go through every chakra every time

If relaxation was KEY to sports, everyone on the lucid dreaming forums who can OBE would be NFL quarterbacks. And relaxation does not simply "smooth out" OBE. Robert Bruce makes the point that one can attain a full trance state and fail the projection, because some muscles are not relaxed enough. On the other hand, if one is totally relaxed one only needs a light trance. So relaxation is key.